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Topic: Common Breastfeeding Myths
Posted By: fattartsrock
Subject: Common Breastfeeding Myths
Date Posted: 02 August 2009 at 9:01pm
Ive got a whole stack, ready to email to Emma, so she can pretty them up, but if you can think of any, Feel free to post. I'll start with some that aren't on the list, but often come up in "class".

If your breasts are soft, you have no milk

Same thing if you don't leak

I'm too skinny to brestfeed, may baby will starve




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Posted By: fattartsrock
Date Posted: 02 August 2009 at 9:49pm
Ok, Ill copy and paste, am offline for a few days in about 5 mins, am taking my dinosaur in for a fix up. Feel free to ask any questions aobut the yths although I wont be around tilla bout wednesday of thursday, I am happy to answer then!

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Posted By: fattartsrock
Date Posted: 02 August 2009 at 9:50pm
BREASTFEEDING MYTHS

Frequent breastfeeding leads to poor milk production, a weak let down response and ultimately to unsuccessful breastfeeding

If your baby wants to feed all the time it means you don’t have enough milk or your milk is no good

A mother should only feed 4 to 6 times a day to maintain a good supply

Babies get all the milk they need in the first ten minutes

A breastfeeding other should space her feedings so her breasts have time to refill

Your breasts run out of milk, especially in the late afternoon

Never wake a sleeping baby

Babies need to be fed on a strict routine right form birth and not demand fed, otherwise baby will be spoilt and mother run ragged

If baby is not rapidly gaining weight, the mother’s milk is no good

If you couldn’t breastfeed your first baby, you won’t be able to feed any others

Breastfeeding makes your boobs saggy

Poor supply is due to stress, tiredness and bad diet and liquid intake

“Comfort” sucking has no scientific basis or benefit

Nipple confusion doesn’t exist

Frequent breastfeeding leads to post natal depression

Demand feeding makes a mother resentful

You must always make baby drink both breasts at each feed

Other members of the family need to feed the baby so they can bond as well

Some babies are allergic to their mother’s milk

Breastfeeding beyond 1 is of little value as breast milk quality declines after 16 months

Refs
La Leche League Common breastfeeding myths doc
Annie Thompson Myths Lesson PCP Doc


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Posted By: AuntieSarah
Date Posted: 04 August 2009 at 9:40am
The Baby whisperer book has a good bit of rubbish in it: says the the first 5-10 mins of a breast feed is the 'quencher', foremilk starts 5-8 minutes into the feed, and hind milk starts 15-18 minutes into the feed.

This used to concern me quite a bit as my boy has only ever fed for around 5 minutes at a time - 10 at the most. Well he still does this, is still exclusively bf at 5.5 months and is healthy and has always steadily put on weight. Boo to the baby whisperer.

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Posted By: peanut butter
Date Posted: 04 August 2009 at 1:42pm
I always liked the "breastfeeding is 100% painless and pleasant" thing. YEAH RIGHT!! Its damn hard, very uncomfortable but gets better and after a while it is 95% painless


Posted By: Maya
Date Posted: 04 August 2009 at 8:37pm
What about "big boobs = plenty of milk, small boobs = not enough milk"

Whatever!

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Posted By: FreeSpirit
Date Posted: 04 August 2009 at 8:55pm
"You must have skin to skin contact within the 1st hour to breastfeed"

"if you smoke you won't be able to produce enough breastmilk"

"you can't get pregnant while breastfeeding"



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Posted By: angel4
Date Posted: 04 August 2009 at 10:08pm
lol the cant get pregnant while breastfeeding. I got pregnant while breastfeeding AND on the minipill. When my mother told my nana she said ' but isnt she still breastfeeding' My nana was a maternity nurse just goes to show you what the believed to be true


Posted By: lilfatty
Date Posted: 05 August 2009 at 5:37am
Originally posted by nzpiper nzpiper wrote:

I always liked the "breastfeeding is 100% painless and pleasant" thing. YEAH RIGHT!! Its damn hard, very uncomfortable but gets better and after a while it is 95% painless


I concur

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Posted By: weegee
Date Posted: 08 August 2009 at 8:48am
How about "if you can't get anything out with a breast pump it means you don't have any milk" - such a source of stress when you're new to it all.

Originally posted by fattartsrock fattartsrock wrote:

Poor supply is due to stress, tiredness and bad diet and liquid intake


Really Annie?! I totally thought that was gospel! Is it just that stress inhibits letdown then?

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Posted By: gypsynita
Date Posted: 09 August 2009 at 5:10pm
Originally posted by nzpiper nzpiper wrote:

I always liked the "breastfeeding is 100% painless and pleasant" thing. YEAH RIGHT!! Its damn hard, very uncomfortable but gets better and after a while it is 95% painless


HA! kinda like the old ante-natal video classic - "if baby's latched properly it won't hurt" - riiight...

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Posted By: AandCsmum
Date Posted: 09 August 2009 at 9:13pm
Originally posted by nzpiper nzpiper wrote:

I always liked the "breastfeeding is 100% painless and pleasant" thing. YEAH RIGHT!! Its damn hard, very uncomfortable but gets better and after a while it is 95% painless


Tell that to my right nipple...it will disagree at the moment due to what I call "Wax on Wax off" feeding...

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Posted By: AandCsmum
Date Posted: 09 August 2009 at 9:14pm
Oh the one that gets me is about putting baby's lip on the bottom of the areola & that will be the basis of a good latch......hmmmmm yeah ok they obviously didn't look at a range of boobs when coming up with that one!

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Posted By: Maya
Date Posted: 09 August 2009 at 9:44pm
Yeah, or that the whole areola should be in baby's mouth - my babies mouths aren't that huge!

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Posted By: Bizzy
Date Posted: 10 August 2009 at 8:20am
Originally posted by weegee weegee wrote:



Originally posted by fattartsrock fattartsrock wrote:

Poor supply is due to stress, tiredness and bad diet and liquid intake


Really Annie?! I totally thought that was gospel! Is it just that stress inhibits letdown then?


i certainly thought those things could contribute to a poor supply. come give us more info Fats!

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Posted By: Febgirl
Date Posted: 10 August 2009 at 12:53pm
Originally posted by fattartsrock fattartsrock wrote:

BREASTFEEDING MYTHS

Never wake a sleeping baby

Poor supply is due to stress, tiredness and bad diet and liquid intake

Nipple confusion doesn’t exist

Demand feeding makes a mother resentful

Other members of the family need to feed the baby so they can bond as well



I believe there is basis to all of these - maybe not 100% of the time or in every circumstance, but I wouldn't call them myths.

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Posted By: palomino
Date Posted: 10 August 2009 at 1:57pm
Originally posted by Maya Maya wrote:

Yeah, or that the whole areola should be in baby's mouth - my babies mouths aren't that huge!


haha so true! i quickly learnt that one did not apply to me


Posted By: kiwisj
Date Posted: 10 August 2009 at 2:02pm
Originally posted by Maya Maya wrote:

Yeah, or that the whole areola should be in baby's mouth - my babies mouths aren't that huge!


LOL I'm with you on that one Emma!

My favourite is the "you must have loads of milk with your huge boobs." Unfortunately, no I didn't in the end

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Posted By: Nikki
Date Posted: 10 August 2009 at 2:20pm
If you breastfeed all the baby weight will fall off -- yeah right!! If you're like me you will get so hungry that none will come off til you stop breastfeeding!

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Posted By: fattartsrock
Date Posted: 10 August 2009 at 3:18pm
Originally posted by Bizzy Bizzy wrote:

Originally posted by weegee weegee wrote:



Originally posted by fattartsrock fattartsrock wrote:

Poor supply is due to stress, tiredness and bad diet and liquid intake


Really Annie?! I totally thought that was gospel! Is it just that stress inhibits letdown then?


i certainly thought those things could contribute to a poor supply. come give us more info Fats!


Sorry, been offline for a whole week!!! They can certainly be contributing factors and all three togethrr might make for poor supply, and yes., stress will make let down a bit slower, but poor supply is usually caused by lots of things such as - clock feeding instead of demand feeding, not feeding enough on one side before offering the other side, too short feeds, skipping feeds (not waking your sleeping new baby or giving a bottle of formula or ebm at night and not pumping to make up for lost feed), the list goes on.

Diet and liquid intake have no effect really, Baby (and body) takes to your detriment, same as if you can't eat while you are pg cops of sickness. The body (and baby) take nutirents etc from your own stores. Even women in food lacking nations manage to feed their children...

Tiredness also, no effect, although not having a good diet can contribute to tiredness as well,

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Posted By: cuppatea
Date Posted: 10 August 2009 at 3:26pm
Having small boobs doesn't mean you can't feed or won't have enough milk. I'm only an A cup and both times I have had huge over supply problems.

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Posted By: fattartsrock
Date Posted: 10 August 2009 at 3:30pm
Originally posted by Febgirl Febgirl wrote:

Originally posted by fattartsrock fattartsrock wrote:

BREASTFEEDING MYTHS

Never wake a sleeping baby

Poor supply is due to stress, tiredness and bad diet and liquid intake

Nipple confusion doesn’t exist

Demand feeding makes a mother resentful

Other members of the family need to feed the baby so they can bond as well



I believe there is basis to all of these - maybe not 100% of the time or in every circumstance, but I wouldn't call them myths.


Ok there is BASIS to these, but generally they are myths for the best part. Although I would agree that they aren't myths for everyone, I have taken these from a published article, and I have referenced it at the bottom of my initial post, so its not me making it up, either! they come from reserched studies conducted over a long period of time.

The sleeping baby thing is a myth in part because not waking baby to feed can affect your supply in those early days when you need to feed all the time to get supply up. Not waking can lead to over hungry baby who won't latch correctly or comes off lll the time in frustration becasue they are hungry and want it now

The nipple confusion thing also, I see lots of women having huge BF issues becasue they started off with BF and expressing for a night feed right off the bat (so Dad can "bond"). Before BF is properly establiseshed (around 6 weeks) Baby can struggle with getting used to different sucking techniques. This is actually proven, I have 2 references on this, 2 differnt Drs conducted studies and when I can get my book out of the wardrobe in Charlys room, i will reference it, if you like.

And at the risk of a flaming, I have to say, there are millions of Dads/Grandparents etc out there who have managed to bond just fine with their babies without feeding them....

Like I said, though, they won't ring true for everyone, however it is safest to call them "myths", becasue we deal woth alot of worried mums out there who have their heads filled with these myths and they can create barriers to happy feeding!

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Posted By: baalamb
Date Posted: 10 August 2009 at 3:42pm
fattarts, can you please define what it means for breastfeeding to be "established"? I've wondered this for a while. Does it only refer to your supply? How does one know when the establishment has happened? Ta


Posted By: cuppatea
Date Posted: 10 August 2009 at 3:45pm
I think good daddy baby bonding can occur via nappy changing

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Posted By: Bizzy
Date Posted: 10 August 2009 at 3:51pm
Originally posted by fattartsrock fattartsrock wrote:

Originally posted by Bizzy Bizzy wrote:

Originally posted by weegee weegee wrote:



Originally posted by fattartsrock fattartsrock wrote:

Poor supply is due to stress, tiredness and bad diet and liquid intake


Really Annie?! I totally thought that was gospel! Is it just that stress inhibits letdown then?


i certainly thought those things could contribute to a poor supply. come give us more info Fats!


Sorry, been offline for a whole week!!! They can certainly be contributing factors and all three togethrr might make for poor supply, and yes., stress will make let down a bit slower, but poor supply is usually caused by lots of things such as - clock feeding instead of demand feeding, not feeding enough on one side before offering the other side, too short feeds, skipping feeds (not waking your sleeping new baby or giving a bottle of formula or ebm at night and not pumping to make up for lost feed), the list goes on.

Diet and liquid intake have no effect really, Baby (and body) takes to your detriment, same as if you can't eat while you are pg cops of sickness. The body (and baby) take nutirents etc from your own stores. Even women in food lacking nations manage to feed their children...

Tiredness also, no effect, although not having a good diet can contribute to tiredness as well,



sheesh, toby was really abnormal then.. he was clock fed and given a dummy at less than a week old and none of that affected my supply (oh and i used to wake him to feed)... just goes to show really doesnt it that even tho there may be some basis for fact not all Myths are that!

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Posted By: AandCsmum
Date Posted: 10 August 2009 at 4:01pm
Originally posted by Maya Maya wrote:

Yeah, or that the whole areola should be in baby's mouth - my babies mouths aren't that huge!


Hehe that is what I was meaning, just in case I've got abnormal boobs I wasn't going to say it too loud!

If bubs had their lip on the bottom of my areola the nipples is no where near their mouths.

My theory was if it doesn't hurt then it's got to be all good.

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Posted By: Febgirl
Date Posted: 10 August 2009 at 4:08pm
Originally posted by fattartsrock fattartsrock wrote:

Originally posted by Febgirl Febgirl wrote:

Originally posted by fattartsrock fattartsrock wrote:

BREASTFEEDING MYTHS

Never wake a sleeping baby

Poor supply is due to stress, tiredness and bad diet and liquid intake

Nipple confusion doesn’t exist

Demand feeding makes a mother resentful

Other members of the family need to feed the baby so they can bond as well



I believe there is basis to all of these - maybe not 100% of the time or in every circumstance, but I wouldn't call them myths.


Ok there is BASIS to these, but generally they are myths for the best part. Although I would agree that they aren't myths for everyone, I have taken these from a published article, and I have referenced it at the bottom of my initial post, so its not me making it up, either! they come from reserched studies conducted over a long period of time.

The sleeping baby thing is a myth in part because not waking baby to feed can affect your supply in those early days when you need to feed all the time to get supply up. Not waking can lead to over hungry baby who won't latch correctly or comes off lll the time in frustration becasue they are hungry and want it now

The nipple confusion thing also, I see lots of women having huge BF issues becasue they started off with BF and expressing for a night feed right off the bat (so Dad can "bond"). Before BF is properly establiseshed (around 6 weeks) Baby can struggle with getting used to different sucking techniques. This is actually proven, I have 2 references on this, 2 differnt Drs conducted studies and when I can get my book out of the wardrobe in Charlys room, i will reference it, if you like.

And at the risk of a flaming, I have to say, there are millions of Dads/Grandparents etc out there who have managed to bond just fine with their babies without feeding them....

Like I said, though, they won't ring true for everyone, however it is safest to call them "myths", becasue we deal woth alot of worried mums out there who have their heads filled with these myths and they can create barriers to happy feeding!


Apologies if it sounded like I was having a go - and I appreciate that you did reference the list so they weren't things you were making up off the top of your head I was just thinking of my own personal experiences when I posted- I was fortunate enough to have an easy breastfeeding experience with DD, I would let her sleep during the night for as long as possible, DH fed her EBM from 2 weeks onwards once a day without any issues, and sometimes I did feel resentful having to get up numerous times a night to feed!

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Posted By: fattartsrock
Date Posted: 10 August 2009 at 8:40pm
Originally posted by Bizzy Bizzy wrote:

Originally posted by fattartsrock fattartsrock wrote:

Originally posted by Bizzy Bizzy wrote:

Originally posted by weegee weegee wrote:



Originally posted by fattartsrock fattartsrock wrote:

Poor supply is due to stress, tiredness and bad diet and liquid intake


Really Annie?! I totally thought that was gospel! Is it just that stress inhibits letdown then?


i certainly thought those things could contribute to a poor supply. come give us more info Fats!


Sorry, been offline for a whole week!!! They can certainly be contributing factors and all three togethrr might make for poor supply, and yes., stress will make let down a bit slower, but poor supply is usually caused by lots of things such as - clock feeding instead of demand feeding, not feeding enough on one side before offering the other side, too short feeds, skipping feeds (not waking your sleeping new baby or giving a bottle of formula or ebm at night and not pumping to make up for lost feed), the list goes on.

Diet and liquid intake have no effect really, Baby (and body) takes to your detriment, same as if you can't eat while you are pg cops of sickness. The body (and baby) take nutirents etc from your own stores. Even women in food lacking nations manage to feed their children...

Tiredness also, no effect, although not having a good diet can contribute to tiredness as well,



sheesh, toby was really abnormal then.. he was clock fed and given a dummy at less than a week old and none of that affected my supply (oh and i used to wake him to feed)... just goes to show really doesnt it that even tho there may be some basis for fact not all Myths are that!


Thats cos you like to go against the grain, Biz!

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Posted By: fattartsrock
Date Posted: 10 August 2009 at 8:42pm
Originally posted by Febgirl Febgirl wrote:

[QUOTE=fattartsrock] [QUOTE=Febgirl] [QUOTE=fattartsrock] BREASTFEEDING MYTHS

Apologies if it sounded like I was having a go - and I appreciate that you did reference the list so they weren't things you were making up off the top of your head I was just thinking of my own personal experiences when I posted- I was fortunate enough to have an easy breastfeeding experience with DD, I would let her sleep during the night for as long as possible, DH fed her EBM from 2 weeks onwards once a day without any issues, and sometimes I did feel resentful having to get up numerous times a night to feed!


Not at all! I just wanted to make it clear tht I hadn't made these up, lol, that they were reserched myths!
and I appreciate, like I said that it dosen't apply to all! And I still feel resentful gettign up to my kids in the night, lol!

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Posted By: Bizzy
Date Posted: 10 August 2009 at 8:44pm
Originally posted by fattartsrock fattartsrock wrote:

Thats cos you like to go against the grain, Biz!




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Posted By: fattartsrock
Date Posted: 10 August 2009 at 8:47pm
Originally posted by baalamb baalamb wrote:

fattarts, can you please define what it means for breastfeeding to be "established"? I've wondered this for a while. Does it only refer to your supply? How does one know when the establishment has happened? Ta


"established" breastfeeding is about 4 to 6 weeks, Your true milk is in in full by 4 to 6 weeks, milk prior to about 4 or so weeks is still alot of colostrum as well, by 4 to 6 weeks, it is regarded as "mature" and by then you usually have things sort of sussed by then, and hopefully painfree and stuff. Baby latches well and properly and is feeding well.


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Posted By: fattartsrock
Date Posted: 10 August 2009 at 8:48pm
Originally posted by cuppatea cuppatea wrote:

I think good daddy baby bonding can occur via nappy changing


Oh hell yeah!!!

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Posted By: Babykatnz
Date Posted: 10 August 2009 at 8:50pm
Originally posted by Aliasmum Aliasmum wrote:

Originally posted by Maya Maya wrote:

Yeah, or that the whole areola should be in baby's mouth - my babies mouths aren't that huge!


Hehe that is what I was meaning, just in case I've got abnormal boobs I wasn't going to say it too loud!

If bubs had their lip on the bottom of my areola the nipples is no where near their mouths.

My theory was if it doesn't hurt then it's got to be all good.


woohoo!! So its not just me who has that problem!! I had to get nipple shields cos she wouldnt take it in properly, too big and squishy for her teeny little mouth She feeds perfectly with them so I'm keeping it this way for now lol

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Posted By: Bizzy
Date Posted: 10 August 2009 at 8:54pm
Originally posted by Babykatnz Babykatnz wrote:

Originally posted by Aliasmum Aliasmum wrote:

Originally posted by Maya Maya wrote:

Yeah, or that the whole areola should be in baby's mouth - my babies mouths aren't that huge!


Hehe that is what I was meaning, just in case I've got abnormal boobs I wasn't going to say it too loud!

If bubs had their lip on the bottom of my areola the nipples is no where near their mouths.

My theory was if it doesn't hurt then it's got to be all good.


woohoo!! So its not just me who has that problem!! I had to get nipple shields cos she wouldnt take it in properly, too big and squishy for her teeny little mouth She feeds perfectly with them so I'm keeping it this way for now lol


when my husband heard that at antenatal classes he looked at me and cracked up laughing - mine arent small either!

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Posted By: peachy
Date Posted: 10 August 2009 at 9:01pm
Originally posted by Bizzy Bizzy wrote:

sheesh, toby was really abnormal then.. he was clock fed and given a dummy at less than a week old and none of that affected my supply (oh and i used to wake him to feed)... just goes to show really doesnt it that even tho there may be some basis for fact not all Myths are that!


So was Lauren lol She was only fed expressed milk for the first two weeks via bottle (due to failure to latch properly), woken every three hours day and night due to jaunders (sp?), and had a dummy!

Good news was by 6 weeks she was exclusively b/f, I had a fantastic supply of milk and managed to b/f till 7 months after an absolute nightmare introduction to b/f!!

I hope my little story gives someone hope that it DOES get better!

On a side note I am liking all this info and help on OhBaby now that is available to new Mums!! Sometimes b/f does not come naturally (and I know only too damn well lol)!!!

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Posted By: whitewave
Date Posted: 10 August 2009 at 11:23pm
Originally posted by cuppatea cuppatea wrote:

Having small boobs doesn't mean you can't feed or won't have enough milk. I'm only an A cup and both times I have had huge over supply problems.


Same here! BFing only got easy once my supply settled down at around 3 or so months.

Also agree with the "weight will fall off" one - yeah right!

Also - the chin must tuck in tight next to the breast - Campbell never did this well, I also figured that if it didn't hurt, it was all good!


Posted By: SarahP08
Date Posted: 11 August 2009 at 1:56pm
I ended up expressing for six months and my boobs are very saggy and soft

and now my baby is awake...

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Posted By: cuppatea
Date Posted: 11 August 2009 at 2:40pm
Pregnancy makes your boobs soft and saggy as during pregnancy the fat deposits disappear to make way for milk production, so even those who don't bf end up with saggy soft ones. (or so someone told me anyway, could be another myth to make us feel better)

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Posted By: SarahP08
Date Posted: 11 August 2009 at 6:47pm
Ha thanks cuppatea that makes me feel much better how I wish the 'baby weight will magically disappear' myth was true!!

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Posted By: mummyofprinces
Date Posted: 11 August 2009 at 8:48pm
I dont think I saw "if you have a c-section you cant breastfeed". I was so worried I wasnt going to be able to feed as I had a section, didnt get skin to skin with Jake for over 2 hours and his tummy was so full of mucus he would latch on and suck for a couple of seconds and go back to sleep. With lots of hard work for the first 3 days of waking for feeding, hand expressing and then pumping every 3 hours my milk did come in.. phew.

I was also told that leaking does not mean you have oversupply just an active letdown.. is this true?

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Posted By: cuppatea
Date Posted: 11 August 2009 at 9:01pm
3 days is quick for your milk to come in after a section, I had Spencer on a Monday morning and didn't get any milk till the Friday afternoon.

I just know I had an oversupply cos of what it was doing to his rear end and the engorgement. The spraying though has calmed down so would make sense that the two would be related but I don't actually know.

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Posted By: peanut butter
Date Posted: 11 August 2009 at 9:29pm
My milk came in on day 2!!!!! with a c-section! I couldnt believe it and the midwives didnt at first either. Then they saw him feeding and realised that he was getting a lot more than just colostrum....and then the engorgement hit that night....I was hoping it wasnt going to happen (denial is lovely!)


Posted By: fattartsrock
Date Posted: 11 August 2009 at 9:32pm
Originally posted by melnel melnel wrote:

I dont think I saw "if you have a c-section you cant breastfeed". I was so worried I wasnt going to be able to feed as I had a section, didnt get skin to skin with Jake for over 2 hours and his tummy was so full of mucus he would latch on and suck for a couple of seconds and go back to sleep. With lots of hard work for the first 3 days of waking for feeding, hand expressing and then pumping every 3 hours my milk did come in.. phew.

I was also told that leaking does not mean you have oversupply just an active letdown.. is this true?


yep. True.

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Posted By: fattartsrock
Date Posted: 11 August 2009 at 9:33pm
Originally posted by cuppatea cuppatea wrote:

Pregnancy makes your boobs soft and saggy as during pregnancy the fat deposits disappear to make way for milk production, so even those who don't bf end up with saggy soft ones. (or so someone told me anyway, could be another myth to make us feel better)


no, thats ture also, the pregnancy part anyway... And the pregnancy makes your ligaments soften, hence sag.

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Posted By: mumtooboys
Date Posted: 12 August 2009 at 10:57am
Originally posted by melnel melnel wrote:



I was also told that leaking does not mean you have oversupply just an active letdown.. is this true?


You can have one and not the other but they usually go hand in hand. I had both and contrary to what people might think oversupply is not fun. LOL My overactive letdown didn't settle until about 11 months (it usually only lasts for 12 weeks or so) and my oversupply problem was around for about 8 months.

These are the ones I posted on another site, some will already have been mentioned:

BF is hard (okay so it's not always "easy" but easier than faffing with formula, especially at 2am)
Bubs is feeding frequently so I don’t have enough milk
I have a hungry baby so I need to top up with formula
My breasts are empty and need time to “refill”
My baby is fussy at the breast I must not have enough milk
I didn’t have any milk for 4 days so had to give formula because bubs was starving
I didn't leak milk/colostrum during pregnancy so I might not be able to do it
Bubs isn’t putting on a lot of weight, I must not have enough milk or the "quality" isn't good enough
Pumping output is indicative of supply
I can only pump 20ml after 40 minutes, I must not have enough milk
I have small/large breasts so can't
BF isn't painful(okay so maybe in the beginning but I think we all agree that few of us actually DON"T experience pain at first before going on to relatively pain free)
BF and FF are interchangeable and compatible (this of course is not usually the case)
If you have thrush or mastitis you must stop feeding
There is no point breastfeeding after 12 months because your milk turns to water and has no nutritional benefit for the toddler
Boys can not be solely breastfed as they drink way more than girls.... boys need formula.
You can't breast feed while pregnant
Breastfeeding toddlers encourage over dependancy
BF is demanding (What's demanding about sitting down on the sofa, lying in bed, having a drink in a cafe and feeding bubs, which you are kind of "forced" to do if you are bf?)

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Posted By: RinTinTin
Date Posted: 12 August 2009 at 12:49pm

Here is one that people will try and tell you. (namely shop owners or buzy bodies)

 

It's illegal to BF in public.

 

Thats a load of crud and don't let anyone tell you that cause it is in fact illegal to stop or prevent a mother from feeding her baby according to the Human Rights Act.



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Posted By: peanut butter
Date Posted: 12 August 2009 at 1:03pm
thats interesting about the leaking and active let down. I leaked HEAPS at the beginning, had a very sore let down and a HUGE supply (never been an issue for me). Things settled down (as they do) and recently the little monkey has been feeding like crazy (not sure of the cause, thats another post, although it seems very much like a good ol growth spurt now I think about it). Anyway...the result....we are leaking HEAPS with every feed now. Oh joy ! little monkey has increased mummy's supply. So has he also stimulated more let down?


Posted By: cuppatea
Date Posted: 12 August 2009 at 1:27pm
Originally posted by mumtooboys mumtooboys wrote:




I didn’t have any milk for 4 days so had to give formula because bubs was starving


This one I am always amazed to read/hear, it was totally drummed into us at antenatal as well as every book etc that you read telling you about it. I find it hard to think women still don't know about it. My milk was very late coming with Spencer, cos of c/s, but I didn't panic and the mw didn't panic when he lost over 10% of his bodyweight either, cos we knew it was normal and he would put it back on.

Originally posted by mumtooboys mumtooboys wrote:


If you have thrush or mastitis you must stop feeding


With mastitis the worse thing you could do would be to stop feeding. I've had it a few times and although painful each feed or express actually did make it feel a bit better.

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Posted By: mummyofprinces
Date Posted: 12 August 2009 at 2:33pm
Originally posted by cuppatea cuppatea wrote:

3 days is quick for your milk to come in after a section, I had Spencer on a Monday morning and didn't get any milk till the Friday afternoon.

I think all the expressing helped, I was basically feeding and expressing for 2 hours and then sleeping for 1 hour and getting up and doing it all again!

I just know I had an oversupply cos of what it was doing to his rear end and the engorgement. The spraying though has calmed down so would make sense that the two would be related but I don't actually know.


What does it do to their bottom when you have oversupply?

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Posted By: cuppatea
Date Posted: 12 August 2009 at 2:40pm
His poo wasn't the thick creamy consistency that newborn poo should be, it actually looked like dark urine and was as watery as urine but had a small amount of the fatty seedy stuff floating in it. Sorry kind of gross description Later on when he was getting a lot of foremilk cos of being lazy and not working for the hindmilk he ended up with green poos, bright green like he had been eating grass.

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Posted By: HeyJude
Date Posted: 12 August 2009 at 5:00pm
Here are some myths that I often come across...

You are a bad mother if you don't breastfeed

If it hurts, you are not doing it correctly

Formula fed children are less intelligent (this myth is based on out-of-date research on old fashioned formula in the days before it was fortified with DHA, neucleotides and zinc)

Bottle feeding is lots of faffing around (it takes 10 minutes to feed a baby with a bottle versus 25-40 for a full breastfeed - of course every baby is different)
BTW it takes DH just 10 minutes at the end of each day to prepare all the bottles for the next 24 hours and it takes under a minute to warm the bottle prior to feeding.

We can help women by being breastfeeding Nazis and forcing them to breastfeed even if they feel that it is not right for them. All the stress that that this creates for the mother and child is worth it.



Here are some breastfeeding facts...

If you publicly breastfeed lots of people will be disgusted by you and think they have the right to judge you. If you publicly feed your child formula lots of people will be disgusted and think they have the right to judge you.

Whilst not for everyone, breastfeeding is a beautiful experience for most women.

Although it might not always seem like it - there are lots of people who are compassionate and non-judgmental.

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Posted By: queenb
Date Posted: 12 August 2009 at 5:16pm
Originally posted by HeyJude HeyJude wrote:

Here are some myths that I often come across...

Bottle feeding is lots of faffing around (it takes 10 minutes to feed a baby with a bottle versus 25-40 for a full breastfeed - of course every baby is different)


Miss L feeds for 10 or so mins ... on the boob

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Posted By: Mamma2N
Date Posted: 12 August 2009 at 5:19pm
Originally posted by belindajane belindajane wrote:

Originally posted by HeyJude HeyJude wrote:

Here are some myths that I often come across...

Bottle feeding is lots of faffing around (it takes 10 minutes to feed a baby with a bottle versus 25-40 for a full breastfeed - of course every baby is different)


Miss L feeds for 10 or so mins ... on the boob


Yep, never had longer than 10minutes.. usually its only 3-6minutes these days ETA on the boob that is..


Posted By: peanut butter
Date Posted: 12 August 2009 at 7:23pm
Originally posted by anna_bana anna_bana wrote:

Originally posted by belindajane belindajane wrote:

Originally posted by HeyJude HeyJude wrote:

Here are some myths that I often come across...

Bottle feeding is lots of faffing around (it takes 10 minutes to feed a baby with a bottle versus 25-40 for a full breastfeed - of course every baby is different)


Miss L feeds for 10 or so mins ... on the boob


Yep, never had longer than 10minutes.. usually its only 3-6minutes these days ETA on the boob that is..


And...its lazy "faffing around". you dont need to worry that its sterilised, the right temp etc....and you dont need to clean up after. Man, I wish everything could be that simple


Posted By: fattartsrock
Date Posted: 12 August 2009 at 9:12pm
Originally posted by HeyJude HeyJude wrote:

Here are some myths that I often come across...

You are a bad mother if you don't breastfeed

If it hurts, you are not doing it correctly

Formula fed children are less intelligent (this myth is based on out-of-date research on old fashioned formula in the days before it was fortified with DHA, neucleotides and zinc)

Bottle feeding is lots of faffing around (it takes 10 minutes to feed a baby with a bottle versus 25-40 for a full breastfeed - of course every baby is different)
BTW it takes DH just 10 minutes at the end of each day to prepare all the bottles for the next 24 hours and it takes under a minute to warm the bottle prior to feeding.

We can help women by being breastfeeding Nazis and forcing them to breastfeed even if they feel that it is not right for them. All the stress that that this creates for the mother and child is worth it.



Here are some breastfeeding facts...

If you publicly breastfeed lots of people will be disgusted by you and think they have the right to judge you. If you publicly feed your child formula lots of people will be disgusted and think they have the right to judge you.

Whilst not for everyone, breastfeeding is a beautiful experience for most women.

Although it might not always seem like it - there are lots of people who are compassionate and non-judgmental.


Thanks for your positive feelgood vibes in our breastfeeding thread.

If you would like to get a bee in your bonnet over "brestfeeding Nazis" I suggest you start a new thread elsewhere.

This thread is to help dispel some of the common myths over breastfeeding to help mums when they start out as they get alot of misunformation and myths.

I am PAID to help mothers with breastfeeding, so yeah, I guess narrow minded folk might think I am a BF Nazi, however, In my work, I also help women to wean and formula feed as well. No judgement, just help and correct information regarding their CHOICE.

I have spent alot of time doing study and reserch and have some qualifications in this field, and am registered and certified.

I am pleased you are happy with your choice, but we are not "bashing the bottle" in here, so please don't bash the breast. This thread was started for world breastfeeding week, not to annoy or offend bottlefeeders.

For the record, I have been a bottle feeder also, so yes, I can speak from both sides of the couch.

Don't even get me started.

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Posted By: HeyJude
Date Posted: 13 August 2009 at 3:00pm
My comment about the breastfeeding nazis that are out there was not directed at anyone here. I apologise for not making that more clear.

" In my work, I also help women to wean and formula feed as well. No judgement, just help and correct information regarding their CHOICE." That's great. Thats why I said that there are people out there who are non-judgemental. When I was struggling with breastfeeding my second child, Jude, I was looking for help from someone more like you.

You quoted me as saying you were "bashing the bottle" but I never said that. You are directly mis-quoting me.

I just want to clarify that I am not bashing the breast as you have accused me of. I clealy state that breastfeeding is positive for most women. I certainly plan on giving it a good go when my next baby is born. I don't think that I said anything negative in my post about breastfeeding.

My first child took ages to breastfeed and my SIL experienced the same thing but, as I said, all children are different.

I was sharing some common myths about feeding. I did not realise that we are only allowed to talk about one type of feeding. I will be sure to read (between the lines of) the OP more closely next time.

I am sorry that you feel the need to get so defensive on this subject. It was not my intention to offend you. While I trust that you would never react so harshly had I been a fragile new mum sitting in a hospital bed, unfortunately there are some that do.

I am not talking about this forum or anyone here, but in society in general, there can be a lack of support for women who make choices that don't conform. JMO.


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Posted By: Peanut
Date Posted: 13 August 2009 at 3:26pm
Just to add, I am a FF and will be with this one but have really enjoyed reading this thread and hope that in the end it makes me alot more supportive etc of those around me who do BF. Its also great to be "educated" on the myths so I am not one of the people helping to spread them!

Well done for this thread - even if I was a little concerned that the breastfeeding section was here to stay

HeyJude - there is a bottle feeding thread that you jump in on as there are heaps of people in there who feel the same us you re society and being judged.



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Posted By: Hope
Date Posted: 13 August 2009 at 6:01pm
Sometimes my wee boy takes ages to have his breast feed, if he is hungry he will feed for up to 40 minutes. But honestly I don't care at all. He likes to hold my hand while I feed him and look at me and smile. He likes to come off the breast and have a wee talk sometimes too. I think its the most beautiful thing and I know that when he is weaned I will miss it.

Breast feeding is time out for me, and I'm one of those naughty mums who will let bub fall asleep on the boob if he is so inclined - a great bonus! He will also go down awake in his cot so I don't think it's done him any harm.

I haven't had an easy time with breast feeding and because of oversupply issues but persisting with breast feeding has been so worth it and now I find it fun and easy. I visited a Lactation Consultant in the early days when I was having trouble and she was a god-send and really helped me with my breast feeding journey. She was actually more helpful and supportive than my midwife in the end. I would advise any mums having trouble with breast feeding to visit a Lactation Consultant ASAP!!!


Posted By: Hope
Date Posted: 13 August 2009 at 6:25pm
HeyJude said:

"If you publicly breastfeed lots of people will be disgusted by you and think they have the right to judge you. If you publicly feed your child formula lots of people will be disgusted and think they have the right to judge you."

I haven't actually had any nasty comments or sideways looks re: me feeding my 5 month old in public but I think If anyone finds my breast feeding my baby in public disgusting, they should just get over it! This is 2009 not 1959. Switch on the telly to C4 and you will see music videos way more offensive than a 5 second flash of my nipple! People seem more bothered by my buggy being in the way in cafes than by my tits, lol!



Posted By: kathamill
Date Posted: 14 August 2009 at 4:50pm
Originally posted by HeyJude HeyJude wrote:


I was sharing some common myths about feeding. I did not realise that we are only allowed to talk about one type of feeding. I will be sure to read (between the lines of) the OP more closely next time.


um, the topic title is myths about brestfeeding. nothing much "between the lines" there


Posted By: whitewave
Date Posted: 22 August 2009 at 10:27pm
In regards to the leaking and active letdown issue, I had oversupply and fast letdown issues, but rarely leaked after the first week. Oddly though, twice over the last couple of weeks, my boy has come off the boob and its sprayed out!



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