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    Posted: 22 June 2012 at 3:08pm
Hello,

Having just recently discovered we're facing serious male factor fertility issues (as in 1 wk ago) I would like hear other peoples experiences.

Have been hanging in the ttc forums but right now I need something else as you can imagine. We've been ttc for almost 3yrs and have only *just* got the man testing done (long story involving my extremely slack parnter lol). The test came back with zero (azoo) so now have been referred to a urologist.

So yeah would love to know how other people have got on with similar diagnosis and what the end results have been or could be!

Thanks :)
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Hi, I can't help a lot sorry because we're not far along our journey either, only found out this month that my partner has male infertility issues, extremely low sperm count due to an op when he was younger so we are in a similar boat to you. Our specialist was talking to us about examples where males have had zero sperm count and they've been able to operate to get sperm and then with IVF ICSI had success so that is a good hope for you two. Have you had all your tests completed? If your all fine then that should help as well : )
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Hi Cream,

Thanks for responding. Yeah I've had the basic bloods done and that's all normal, we've been waiting for him to get tested before being able to move to the next step. I've heard lots of good things about ICSI so am hoping that's the path for us. The doctor we saw didn't really tell us much just that we had to see the urologist who would decide if he could help us then depending on that we'd be back to her for a referral to fertility specialists and that would mean donor sperm. From my googling I've learnt lots more.

Sorry to hear about the issues you're having. How long have you been ttc for? Do you have a plan from the specialist yet?
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Hi babycrazy.

I didn't want to read and run, but both yours and Creams story seem similar to the Jayjay and Dom story and thought you might like to read their blog and have a look at the segment about them on Sunday (blog is at http://jjdom.wordpress.com/2010/03/16/4thtimelucky/).

We don't have as serious MFI issues but I found their story really helpful as to the whole process - just a warning, they don't get a happy ending, and I cried reading the blog and watching the show.

Good luck!
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Thanks for that - just read their blog and the segment and bawled my eyes out too. I feel so bad for them.
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Hi babycrazy,

Well hopefully things go well with your urologist and you might even be able to have a shot with your partners sperm if they can do the op and not need to go down the donor path but either way, it's still amazing we have these options available to us, it makes me very grateful to live in a country where we can get help like this.
I guess we've been trying for about a year but we knew deep down even before I went off my pill that we wouldnt be able to conceive naturally but we also knew that doctors wouldnt really take us seriously until we had been trying for at least a year so we went off contraception to make sure we had that basis covered and sure enough, we havent even come close to getting pregnant. We did a home sperm test that came back poor and did a couple through the doctors that came back dismal before being referred to Fertility Associates just a couple of months ago. Our plan is to go on the waiting list next month and to do IVF with ICSI when our turn comes around. All my tests have come back pos so far so as long as my darling partner can keep on track with having at least a few sperm like he does at the moment then that will be the way for us. We're just umming and ahhing over how long a wait will be too long on the public waitlist to make us try a private round first but we'll just have to wait and see I guess. Like you I'm in my 20's so I guess at least we have age on our side : )
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I think deep down we kind of had that feeling too, I was forever hopeful but the Fella not so much. It did come as a bit of a shock that he had none though. We got at home sperm test too but never used it.

Very surprised that they never made us do a repeat test and referred us straight on but I'm not complaining either!

Was it your hubby's count that got you on the public list? I've heard the wait is around 12mths. I think if we have to go down that path we'll do a private round even though it costs heaps...I'm too impatient and have been waiting looong enough lol.

Good luck making your decision :)
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We also have Male factor.

You will need to wait to see what they come back with as to what options they can give you - but hopefully they might be able to do the one where they remove the sperm from the testys themselves and hopefully find some in there :)

It's a tough long road but one you will learn so much on and hopefully get your prize at the end!

Good luck girls :)
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Thanks IVFgirl. Are you on the list for IVF now?
I'm busting to know what the options....wished they'd hurry up and give us the appt lol.

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Been on the waitlist for a year and the time is nearly here :)

Have they not given you an appointment date yet? Can you ring and ask for one? Are you waiting for the doctor to refer you do you mean?
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Oh exciting that you're nearly there.
As far as where we're at...we only got our results 10days ago and the doctor did the referral right there and then to a urologist at our DHB. When they receive the referral we get sent an appt in the mail. I'm hoping it won't be long because had a msg to ring the hospital on Friday which I returned today and she wanted additional information about me as even though the referral is for my partner they put it under my name and it goes via the gynaecologist...all a bit random but whatever gets us sorted. She said now they have my info they can process the stuff and send us an appt. Kicking myself because I didn't ask how long the wait is!
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Oooh exciting! I don't think they would have told you the wait yet because you have to go have your appointment and from there you find out if you've been "accepted" publicly or not. There's a few factors to get past to get accepted.
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Hey babycrazy. So there's a list of criteria that you get scored against that determines if you can go on the public list. You can find a lot of info about it on Fertility Associates website. You need 65 points to get on the waitlist, things like proven infertility, age, no children at home under 12 etc all help you earn extra points. You also have to have been TTC for at least 12 months, we will be 12 months next month so that's why we don't go on the list till next month even though we've had a specialist appt. If you hit 65 points at your first specialist appointment then you will go on the waitlist pretty much immediately, just depends on all those criteria. We were told by our doctor that we would be referred to FA and they would get in contact with us for an appt but we left it a while and didnt hear anything so just rung ourselves and asked for an appointment. We had one about a month or so later and in that time we had to do a range of more testing so maybe you could ring Fertility Associates and book your appt and do all your testing in the meantime??? they should know whether that's do able or not.
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Hi there Babycrazy, IVFgirl & others!

I'm also in the same boat, with severe male factor infertility. We got the man test done this time last year and I remember the phone call well, when my husband called to tell me the results. Pretty devastating as I'm sure you all completely understand.

We were getting 2-3 sperm per collection, so not a great result, but something to work with. FA has been relatively helpful, but they did say that this condition is so rare, that we're an 'unknown entity'. Eeek! They havent been able to diagnose a reason despite a range of tests.

So on we went to IVF with ICSI. We are now on our 2ww.
It's been an interesting process this far, but quite challenging when we got to fertilisation and tranfer. We collected 15 eggs, 8 fertilised and then ended up replacing one embryo. We didnt have anything to freeze unfortunately.

FA said that the low rate of suitable fertilised eggs was likely due to the male factor - as in potentially less than optimal sperm. but that's all they could suggest as it seems that there is not alot known about male fertility issues.

Sorry to ramble on for so long - it's quite nice to meet some peeps that are in a similar situation!

Good luck with your decision making!
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Hi DinkyDonkey - I don't think I'll ever forget the phone call from my partner either. All the best for the tww. Stink that you didn't get any to freeze though.

Figured the IVF wait was long so am prepared for that, what concerns me more is the wait for the urologist appt at the hospital. Have been on waiting lists for specialist appts through them before and have waited over 6mths! Definitely won't be letting it take that long though.

Hopefully we qualify for public...whoops getting waaaay ahead of myself best just tackle what comes first lol.
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Hi there DinkyDonkey, sorry to seem nosey but interested to hear if you got some exciting news after your two week wait?? Fingers crossed for you.
My partner has a similar sperm count to your partners so hopeful just to hear you managed to get a fertilised embryo.
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Grrrr waiting lists SUCK!!!! Just chased up our referral and fecking hell she told me it would be 4-5mths!!! Seriously its a joke. I know everyone has to endure this stupid wait so no point complaining but still I'm gutted.

Beginning to wonder if I'm better to ring fertility associates and go through them privately especially if they're going to basically do the same thing at the end of the day.

The girl did say that it may be shorter due to more doctors coming on board...not holding my breath.

DinkyDonkey - did it end well? I sure hope it did chick :)
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Hmmm I would check to see then if you can pay privately for your consultation I think it's around $240 and then you will see if you can get on the public list. Because you might find waiting for the 4-5 months to be told you can't get on the list because of several factors.

Even just ring to see if you can make an appointment :)
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IVF/ICSI #2 = 22 eggs!
20 mature, 15 fertilised, 1 fresh transfer and 2 frosties
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Thanks IVFgirl - I agree.

I can't see the point of fluffing round if we're just going to end up at Fertility Associates anyway we might as well just go straight to them. Forunately I have some money saved so the cost doesn't put me off (originally was a buffer for maternity leave and then as time wore on became the IVF savings lol).

Will ring them this week and see what they suggest.

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Yep I totally would, our referral only took a month if it was going to be longer I would have paid for it ourselves :)
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IVF/ICSI round one
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IVF/ICSI #2 = 22 eggs!
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