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    Posted: 20 August 2010 at 1:05pm
Just wondering if anyone on here is on it at the moment,

Just some questions about starting it and tricks and how hard is it heh
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We are on it at the moment with my 9 month old.
       
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we are on it with my 6 month old.

He took to it straight away. I find if i make it up to the strength on the can he gets bad constipation tho so i only make it 3/4 strength.
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We were at the specialist today and was given some to start on. My problem is atm our daughter is exclusively breastfed and doesnt like taking the bottle - so we are about to have that battle, as well as the formula (which he said tastes terrible compared to the shelf stuff)

How long did it take before they were taking it happily? (Briand OlisMum - was he breastfed prior or on regular formula?)
Did either of you try with the golden syrup if things were bad?
Does the subsidy make it affordable? (We were only told the actual price of a tin but that you can get subsidised)

Cheers guys - we're planning on pumping till she'll take a bottle then starting so FX she wont just refuse to feed
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hi kim he was breastfed for the first 2 and a half months exclusively but i made sure to give him a bottle of ebm at least once a week so that i knew he would have a bottle. then he went to regular dairy formula top ups in the evening which he reacted badly to so we swapped to soy which smelt real bad but he didn't seem to mind it at all. he also reacted to that so we went to neocate. by this time my milk had dried up. he didn't seem to mind the watered down neocate. we started on half strength.
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Hi we used golden syrup, to get miss use to it, she was bf until 6 months,but it was all to stressful low weight gains etc. We were lucky she took bottle fine,so dont have much advice on taking bottle sorry, good luck it may take a bit of time just be patient you will get there.
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unfortunately it took ages for DD to take a decent amount of it! (but she has a huge bottle now - of the next stage Neocate). We started offering at maybe 7 months, and it took till 12 months for her to have an ok amount. Vanilla essence worked ok for us, it helps to disguise the tatse a little.

Exclusively BF babies may take quite a while to adjust to bottles, and typically they won't drink as much as bottle fed babies, as they're used to only drinking what they need at the time. When DD started, 30mL was a good amount! Just do it at the same time every day, and keep offering.... but don't get stressed about it, as we found any time we tried to 'force' the bottle on her, it just backfired.

the tins work out at about $7 a tin, but only 400g tins, so the cost will really depend on how much she's having. If WINZ are still co-operating you may be eligible for a child disability allowance if your DD has moderate+ allergies (I'm assuming that's maybe why she's on neocate?)
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thanks for your replies!
Its not quite what we were expecting, more to go down the road of me eliminating all sorts of food for my diet but looks like that plain wont be enough. So a shock to me and her having to stop BFing, but whatever works best for her in the end!

That actually is a good price considering theyre like $150. That nearly floored me! Pretty similar to supermarket prices i suppose for normal stuff.
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Kim have you been to see a pead about it? what did he say, or your gp?
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Just to let you know my experience, I was on a strict elimination diet for a long time & that obviously for us still didn't cut it.

We've just given up on breastfeeding & after 4 days got massive withdrawals/detox from B/M, refusing food & bottles!! But a couple of days later he was gutsing down the neocate & gaining weight again. Was a bit hair raising but he's so much happier and skin and bowels good. Wish I'd done it a long time ago, but the process we went through meant that we didn't til a few weeks ago.

We also started on LCP at half strength and worked up to full strength. I tried icing sugar and then brown sugar did the trick to get him to like it. This is while still having breast milk. I also topped up with rice milk but that is a BAD idea as he then reacted to it so had to go to the brown sugar. I would try blending with breast milk, it's to get that funky taste in with something sweet. I'm not sure if it's recommended to blend with breast milk though. We then got a script for advanced so had to wean over to that. The idea is to change one scoop a day, I did it a bit faster than that, I guess it depends on how sensitive your bub is when you come to that point. We are now on 7/8th strength. Full strength is too much for him.

So what I'm sorta saying is start at half way. So half the recommended scoops for that amount of water. Once that is being drunk happily then increase the amount of scoops per bottle. You might need to increase this at one scoop a day or you could get away with one a bottle. Your bub might never get to full strength in a bottle but will get the correct amount of scoops per day over slightly more bottles.

We pay $6.15 a can & am going through a can every 2 1/4 days!
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BriAnd OlisMum: Yeah we were referred to a pediatric skin specialist and he was the one to make the call. But he gave sound reasoning, and 100% knew his stuff and was passionate talking about it, so felt good coming away from him, even if it wasnt what we'd planned.

Wow sounds like can be an adventure getting it happening - will research to see if i can mix with BM to start - i read that u can with other formula but with BM who knows!

A+Cs mum: I'm glad you got there in the end, wowzers the can doesnt sound like it lasts , might have to get selling more stuff on TM (lol)
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Kim, I think the overall price is comparable to store bought formula. Most of them are $12-14 for a 900gm can.

But yes can be an added expense when you thought that you'd breastfeed.

Good luck, let us know how you are getting on. There is a neocate kids chat group on yahoo groups if you want more back up & support.
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I find it amszing how everyone pays a different price for their tims. We pay $3.50 per tin so its a bargain!
       
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I think we have the courier charge factored in from the Sth Island. Do you get them direct from Thermo Fisher?
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Well just as an update, we decided to try her on a bottle of it Saturday night as she'd taken to the bottles of BM reasonably well, and she just drunk it. So we've switched and so far so good, altho we've done normal strength which im now a little concerned about. Lets hope she poops huh?

Now just to wait and see if things all clear up, then we'll be asking for our subsidy number or whatever it is too!
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thats great Kim, so good to hear she is drinking it with no problems.
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Yay Kim we never diluted the neocate down - Nat always had it at full strength (although she was a little older than your DD and on solids when we started).

The approval number can take a couple to a few weeks to come through, so hopefully your specialist is onto it already?
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ewk blondy, nope he just gave us 3 tins to start on and said to contact him once it started to make a difference. Didnt think it could take that long
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Awesome that she takes it full strength

Some of us just have super sensitive bubs that need it dilute.
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Originally posted by Kimnthekids Kimnthekids wrote:

We were at the specialist today and was given some to start on. My problem is atm our daughter is exclusively breastfed and doesnt like taking the bottle - so we are about to have that battle, as well as the formula (which he said tastes terrible compared to the shelf stuff)

How long did it take before they were taking it happily? (Briand OlisMum - was he breastfed prior or on regular formula?)
Did either of you try with the golden syrup if things were bad?
Does the subsidy make it affordable? (We were only told the actual price of a tin but that you can get subsidised)

Cheers guys - we're planning on pumping till she'll take a bottle then starting so FX she wont just refuse to feed


i am in the same boat..my 6 month old will take it but not in bottle..or cup..so only on spoon..he wont even take an EBM bottle...i really was against trying brown sugar or golden syrup but i tried both and nothing.. so hope you have better luck than me.. my older son took it no issues.. i havent read further but i am assuming the others have told you bout the subsidy etc
Mum to two amazing boys!
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