Okay VBA2Cs!!
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Topic: Okay VBA2Cs!!
Posted By: toniellis
Subject: Okay VBA2Cs!!
Date Posted: 08 October 2007 at 1:51pm
Anyone done this?? This is what I am planning (even though it is months away!) and so far I have a midwife who seems to be happy to support me with this.... So what next???? HELP!  ------------- Mum to Alex (11), Blaire (10) & Erika (8) and Damien (6) Successful HWB VBA2Cs! Soon to be surrogate |
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Posted By: Two Blondinis
Date Posted: 08 October 2007 at 3:41pm
 CONGRATULATIONS!!!!!!
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Posted By: Kazzle
Date Posted: 08 October 2007 at 4:15pm
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Have you had your IUD out, i didnt think they let you have a natural birth with an IUD in but i could be wrong... ------------- http://lilypie.com"> 
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Posted By: toniellis
Date Posted: 08 October 2007 at 7:58pm
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Nope IUD still in there, and midwife assures me that it won't be a problem as it will come out with (tmi!) mucus plug... only problem to get through is actually getting through labour that she can see... It is such a long way away but I want to prepare myself as best as I can!! ------------- Mum to Alex (11), Blaire (10) & Erika (8) and Damien (6) Successful HWB VBA2Cs! Soon to be surrogate |
Posted By: jack_&_charli
Date Posted: 08 October 2007 at 10:33pm
oh toni i sooooo hope you can have a vba2c!  ------------- http://www.alternatickers.com"> 
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Posted By: meow
Date Posted: 09 October 2007 at 12:16am
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A woman on another forum I go to just had a VBAC.. if that helps any? ------------- http://lilypie.com"> 
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Posted By: kezplanet
Date Posted: 09 October 2007 at 12:27am
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I do know someone who had VBA2C & then went on to have a 3rd c-section, I am not sure of the reason for the natural birth only know that all her babies arrived early - the last one 4 weeks early to no.3 may have taken them by surprise - we live a good distance from the hospital.
I can't offer you any help on how to prepare just best wishes and luck.  ------------- Kerryn, Mum to Ashlyn(29/3/04), Anastasia(1/11/05) & Abigail (24/02/09) |
Posted By: toniellis
Date Posted: 09 October 2007 at 9:13am
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Thanks everyone. I attempted a vbac last time but had no support which really sucked. I guess I will just have to keep researching myself. ------------- Mum to Alex (11), Blaire (10) & Erika (8) and Damien (6) Successful HWB VBA2Cs! Soon to be surrogate |
Posted By: toniellis
Date Posted: 11 October 2007 at 9:01am
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1st midwife appointment on Tuesday YAY!! Experienced with homebirth after c-sections too! Wahoo I'm so excited!! ------------- Mum to Alex (11), Blaire (10) & Erika (8) and Damien (6) Successful HWB VBA2Cs! Soon to be surrogate |
Posted By: Two Blondinis
Date Posted: 11 October 2007 at 12:37pm
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that sounds very promising Good luck for Tuesday! ------------- http://lilypie.com">
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Posted By: toniellis
Date Posted: 16 October 2007 at 4:24pm
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Had an AWESOME appointment with my midwife and OMG I can't believe how fantastic she is!! I still have to see an OB in about a month but she has offered to come with me as support person. She has given me HEAPS of info on the subject & I am now officially planning a home waterbirth LOL! I am sooooo excited! She has read my notes & said there is no reason why I can't do this & as long as it is what I want then she will help me every step of the way... She has lots of ideas for me to think about like using a pregnancy rocker to get Bubs into a good position (I have had 2 posterior babies now) and also she uses homeopathy & accupunture so I am going to take advantage of that too. Also she has found me someone to talk to who has had 3 c-sections & then gone on to have two natural births! *dances around like an idiot* I am sooo happy! So excited! I CAN DO THIS!!! ------------- Mum to Alex (11), Blaire (10) & Erika (8) and Damien (6) Successful HWB VBA2Cs! Soon to be surrogate |
Posted By: cuppatea
Date Posted: 16 October 2007 at 4:28pm
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That is so cool, where abouts in New Zealand are you? would be interested to know who your midwife is. ------------- 
 
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Posted By: toniellis
Date Posted: 16 October 2007 at 5:06pm
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I am just out from Pukekohe, Auckland ------------- Mum to Alex (11), Blaire (10) & Erika (8) and Damien (6) Successful HWB VBA2Cs! Soon to be surrogate |
Posted By: mummy_becks
Date Posted: 16 October 2007 at 6:49pm
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Woew that is great news for you, hopefully you can get the homewater birth you want. ------------- I was a puree feeder, forward facing, cot sleeping, pram pushing kind of Mum... and my kids survived! |
Posted By: busymum
Date Posted: 16 October 2007 at 7:16pm
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Wow that's fantastic news! My last two were posterior also (don't know about the first, the c/s) - long early labours but I didn't need c/s with them. -------------  |
Posted By: Two Blondinis
Date Posted: 16 October 2007 at 7:39pm
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that sounds fantastic Toni (hehe I feel like I'm talking to myself! I've never met another Toni )
All the best with your home water birth - that sounds so lovely! I wanted a water birth, but it didn't work out for me *sigh* and I'm far too chicken to have a home birth! 
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Posted By: nikkitheknitter
Date Posted: 16 October 2007 at 8:52pm
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Wow! Sounds like a fab midwife!
You can totally do it Toni
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Posted By: AnnC
Date Posted: 16 October 2007 at 9:32pm
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great news - its so important to be happy with your midwife and she seems to be on the same wave length as you ... ------------- Ann 
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Posted By: toniellis
Date Posted: 17 October 2007 at 10:32am
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Hi Toni! (Two Blondinis). A pregnancy rocker helps to get bubs into a good position apparently. My midwife said perfect for me with my history of posterior babies I still so excited about it all today! Spents lots and lots of time last night reading through everything she gave me, really great info! ------------- Mum to Alex (11), Blaire (10) & Erika (8) and Damien (6) Successful HWB VBA2Cs! Soon to be surrogate |
Posted By: Paws
Date Posted: 17 October 2007 at 1:11pm
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That all sounds so exciting Toni! I so hope you get the VBA2C!!! (I'm so hoping for a standard VBAC when we have number 2 so I can kinda understand your excitment!) ------------- http://lilypie.com"> 
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Posted By: cuppatea
Date Posted: 17 October 2007 at 1:31pm
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Yeah i'm hoping for a VBAC next time too.
You ladies might know, I didn't really get an answer from my mw, if you have had one breech baby are you more likely to have a second breech one? -------------
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Posted By: toniellis
Date Posted: 21 October 2007 at 4:24pm
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I don't think so?? There are exercises you can do during pregnancy to help try & avoid that too.... ------------- Mum to Alex (11), Blaire (10) & Erika (8) and Damien (6) Successful HWB VBA2Cs! Soon to be surrogate |
Posted By: cuppatea
Date Posted: 21 October 2007 at 5:36pm
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Yeah unfortunately this time I didn't find out until after my waters had broke and he was well and trully jammed in there lol. Even though I didn't have him for another 3 weeks because of the reduced fluid he didn't really have a chance, although I did do lots of exercises that my yoga instructor recommended.
Hopefully I will get some more scans etc next time, as midwife told me he was head down 12 hours before I found out he was breech. -------------
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Posted By: toniellis
Date Posted: 21 October 2007 at 5:49pm
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LOL that makes things difficult!! Although my cousin has had two breech babies vaginally (out of 4) so who knows? ------------- Mum to Alex (11), Blaire (10) & Erika (8) and Damien (6) Successful HWB VBA2Cs! Soon to be surrogate |
Posted By: busymum
Date Posted: 21 October 2007 at 6:38pm
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Gee what a sucky mw!! lol
I don't think breech babies recur. ------------- |
Posted By: cuppatea
Date Posted: 21 October 2007 at 7:00pm
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cool, the obs wasn't keen on letting me try natural as it was my first, second etc they are a bit more willing to let you give it a go. She said research has shown that breech vaginal delivery is about as safe as c/s but they are still not overly keen with the first one, as the passage hasn't been tried out so to speak!!! -------------
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Posted By: toniellis
Date Posted: 09 November 2007 at 12:06pm
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Had my appointment with OB on wednesday and he is more than happy with me going ahead for a natural birth! Didn't even have to try & convince him it was great! And he has just recently had a woman deliver a lovely healthy baby after two previous c-sections. I can't believe how easy this is all going! Haven't told him my plans for having bubs at home in water but he has already old me to stay at home as long as I can stand to avoid any "interference"! YAY YAY YAY YAY!! ------------- Mum to Alex (11), Blaire (10) & Erika (8) and Damien (6) Successful HWB VBA2Cs! Soon to be surrogate |
Posted By: toniellis
Date Posted: 09 November 2007 at 12:06pm
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Oh & also he thinks I'm abit further along than my early scan showed... Will be having a scan on the 20th of December to see for sure... ------------- Mum to Alex (11), Blaire (10) & Erika (8) and Damien (6) Successful HWB VBA2Cs! Soon to be surrogate |
Posted By: cuppatea
Date Posted: 09 November 2007 at 12:07pm
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Oh that's really great news. -------------
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Posted By: aimeejoy
Date Posted: 09 November 2007 at 1:46pm
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Yay Toni, sounds like everything is really falling into place for you. ------------- Aimee Hannah 22/10/05 Greer 11/02/08 |
Posted By: mummy_becks
Date Posted: 09 November 2007 at 2:24pm
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YAY Toni that is great news for you. ------------- I was a puree feeder, forward facing, cot sleeping, pram pushing kind of Mum... and my kids survived! |
Posted By: Two Blondinis
Date Posted: 09 November 2007 at 4:22pm
We had a similer experience. I was 3 days away from my EDD, and MW announced she wasn't sure if she felt a head or a bum. Had a scan to check and she was way down (head first) in the pelvis so the scan lady wasn't surprised the MW wanted to confirm. All sounds good for your home/water VBA2C ------------- http://lilypie.com">
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cuppatea wrote:Posted By: toniellis
Date Posted: 09 November 2007 at 6:20pm
It sure does sound good! I'm so excited! Everything just seems to be falling into place. Fantastic midwife, easy going OB.... All I need is the perfect birth experience... or just a birth experience without scalpels LOL!!!  ------------- Mum to Alex (11), Blaire (10) & Erika (8) and Damien (6) Successful HWB VBA2Cs! Soon to be surrogate |
Posted By: jack_&_charli
Date Posted: 10 November 2007 at 11:48am
oh toni i'm so happy for you!!!!!!! i actually have tears in my eyes! 
i understand your wanting this VBAC after having 2 c/s myself and really really hope it goes well for you
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Posted By: cuppatea
Date Posted: 10 November 2007 at 11:58am
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Spencer tried to escape at 35 so if that repeats itself the scan will be too late at 37 -------------
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Posted By: jack_&_charli
Date Posted: 10 November 2007 at 12:33pm
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Posted By: 2bmumof3
Date Posted: 23 November 2007 at 8:38pm
| Hi guys, Just thought I'd chime in as I'm currently in the same boat. I've had 2 previous c-sections, the 1st was elective due to my son being breech and the 2nd was performed due to failure to progress. I'm now 16 weeks pregnant with my 3rd child and at the start of a very long battle with the Masterton hospital to be given the opportunity to attempt a VBA2C. I have a very supportive midwife who seems pleased that finally someone is standing up for womens rights down here. It makes me cross that obstetricians think they can take away our rights as birthing women with not enough backing to support their decisions. In fact after all the recent research I have done (I've compiled a 7 page report to put to the hospital) there really is such an insignificant risk of rupture that it's not worth the consideration. Quoting the 2006 Landon study there is a .7% chance of rupture VBA1C and the risk only increases to .9% for VBA2C. It would be great to hear of anyone elses battles and outcomes regarding this. |
Posted By: cuppatea
Date Posted: 23 November 2007 at 8:55pm
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Hey 2bmumof3. Surely it is your decision what birth you have? I would have thought that any obstetricain would have to follow your wishes? surely they are only there to make recommendations etc.
Is good that you have a supportive midwife, hope you get to give it a try. -------------
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Posted By: toniellis
Date Posted: 25 November 2007 at 9:14am
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Hi there 2bmumof3!! Lovely to hear of someone else who is attempting a VBA2C's!! Having a supportive midwife is a great start. I have been very lucky to have a supportive OB although I haven't broken the news to him yet that I am planning a homebirth to avoid any chances of unnecessary interventions. To be honest if he had kicked up a fuss and booked me in for a c-section then quite simply I would have told him I wouldn't be showing up! LOL they have to have signed consent to do a c-section anyway. Just stand your ground with the ob. If your midwife is supportive then get her in with you to see the OB so you can have her support.... And best of luck too with getting that natural birth ------------- Mum to Alex (11), Blaire (10) & Erika (8) and Damien (6) Successful HWB VBA2Cs! Soon to be surrogate |
Posted By: 2bmumof3
Date Posted: 25 November 2007 at 9:37am
| I'm trying to do this as nicely as possible and would really like to get the hospitals consent and support but if not then we certainly will simply sign the waiver and go through with it anyway. The pros are simply too important to me to not. My husband is now on side to after reading all the info regarding VBA2C's he's come to the conclusion that it's simply 'criminal' to not allow me to try this. However, what the hospital is doing is scaring off the other independant midwifes, and trying to with mine, by saying that if they support me then they will no longer support them with their future practices. My midwife is just as strong headed as myself and is glad to have a client that's prepared to take the hospital on and stand up for birthing mothers rights. Thanks for everyones support and I'll keep you posted as to how it's all panning out. |
Posted By: toniellis
Date Posted: 27 November 2007 at 11:14pm
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Would love to hear how things go for you!I think your not too far ahead of me with your due date? I'm supposed to be 14 weeks but they think I'm closer to 16 weeks.... I actually have no idea coz I wasn't supposed to get pregnant at all! Don't ever get an IUD they suck LOL ------------- Mum to Alex (11), Blaire (10) & Erika (8) and Damien (6) Successful HWB VBA2Cs! Soon to be surrogate |
Posted By: toniellis
Date Posted: 05 December 2007 at 2:51pm
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15 days until my anatomy scan ------------- Mum to Alex (11), Blaire (10) & Erika (8) and Damien (6) Successful HWB VBA2Cs! Soon to be surrogate |
Posted By: cuppatea
Date Posted: 05 December 2007 at 3:02pm
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Oh exciting!!!! Do you know for sure how far along you are now? or will they give you a better indication at the next scan.
I told me friend about you getting pg with an IUD she had one fitted cos her first was an accident and she doesn't want another accident (she would like to plan the next one). She pulled this face -------------
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Posted By: toniellis
Date Posted: 05 December 2007 at 9:12pm
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Bahahahahahahaha!!! Oh dear I can just imagine that your friend is a bit worried!! Maybe reassure her that it is only a 1% chance of getting preggaz.....? I'm NOT getting another though that's for sure PMSL
Well according to my first scan I'm a little over 15 weeks but 2nd scan said that I should be closer to 17 weeks by now... I don't know! I would like to be further along as that would mean less time until my due date LOL but knowing my luck I would end up going overdue anyway ------------- Mum to Alex (11), Blaire (10) & Erika (8) and Damien (6) Successful HWB VBA2Cs! Soon to be surrogate |
Posted By: toniellis
Date Posted: 03 January 2008 at 4:24pm
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Just a wee update. I had my scan & Bubs is just right for my EDD so that is all good. My fundus height is way higher than it is "supposed" to be though! I'm measuring up as 25 weeks! LOL so I have an extra roomy uterus ------------- Mum to Alex (11), Blaire (10) & Erika (8) and Damien (6) Successful HWB VBA2Cs! Soon to be surrogate |
Posted By: 2bmumof3
Date Posted: 07 April 2008 at 6:54pm
| Hi guys, well I finally had my obstectric appointment today. The Obstetrician was surprisingly pleasant although definately against me undertaking a VBA2C. It's amazing how in only a 10 minute appointment I could come out seriously wondering if I'm not being selfish putting myself and baby at unnecessary risk in wanting to VBAC. However, he hasn't said a definate no he won't support this in any way as yet, in fact he's given me 3 weeks to think over what he had to say, then we're to meet again (I'll be 38 weeks) to re-evaluate. I got the feeling that he will then really put the pressure on to set a date for ERCS. Hmmm, I'm going to have to find my drive to do this again as I know it's what I want, but the later in the pregnancy it gets the less confident I become and the easier it seems to simply cave. |
Posted By: jack_&_charli
Date Posted: 07 April 2008 at 11:38pm
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don't cave if a VBAC is what you truly want! i've had 2 c/s and am not allowed to attempt a VBAC, so i understand what you are going through. i'd give anything for a VBAC if i were to get pregnant again.
but, as he says, see how you feel at 38wks and if you still want to try, go for it! best of luck hun
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Posted By: jack_&_charli
Date Posted: 07 April 2008 at 11:40pm
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Posted By: 2bmumof3
Date Posted: 08 April 2008 at 8:15am
| Thanks for the support. I should mention that his concerns are that the latest studies from this year show that the rate of uterine rupture are actually above the previously thought of around 1%. He didn't give me the figures so my midwife is trying to get hold of these studies. Also, in Masterton we only have an obstetrician and surgical team at the hospital on hand monday - friday 8am - 5pm. This means that if I rupture outside of these hours it takes 40 minutes from the time the obstetrician and surgical team are called in to the time they are ready an in theatre. By this time he has assured me that the baby will have died and more than likely I would have also??? So what has been offered before is that if you conveniently go into labour within "office hours" then you will be allowed to proceed, but the baby must be born by the end of the day. I'm not sure whether to feel that I've had some bully tactics used on me or not. The chances are comparable to any first time mums possibilities of mother or baby death. But the reality is you don't want to feel that you've put your child at undue risk, and the end result of having a healthy baby and mother is the most important thing. |
Posted By: toniellis
Date Posted: 08 April 2008 at 3:06pm
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Okay no offence but your ob has told you porkies! Even if you DO rupture which is quite unlikely, rupture very rarely cause death. The problem is the word "rupture". It makes you think of horrible things like your wound going POP & baby falling out
It is NOT like that at all. A lot of so called ruptures are diagnosed after the event & are more likely little tears, or a thing called a "window". I really highly recommend a book called Silent Knife. Although it is American (more people in America so better data IMO) & a little bit on the old side now, there is heaps of info in there about chances of rupture and also what a rupture actually means etc etc etc. I had one OB tell me that NO you can only ever have c-sections yet after going through all my notes my current OB has okay'd it all without batting an eyelid. If you really want the VBAC & believe in yourself then tell your OB thank you very much but you prefer your own plans for the birth. It is rare that something will occur that there is not time for an OB team to be assembled & for those true emergency events sometimes even having a team "on hand" is not enough, if you know what I mean? My previous 2 c-sections were "emergencies" yet both times it was over an hour from when they said "c-section" to when they actually got the baby out ------------- Mum to Alex (11), Blaire (10) & Erika (8) and Damien (6) Successful HWB VBA2Cs! Soon to be surrogate |
Posted By: Two Blondinis
Date Posted: 08 April 2008 at 8:04pm
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Hi Toni
Good to hear you are still planning your VBA2C. Hope all goes well for you. I'm still ummming and ahhhing over what I'll do next time, no need to worry now though - gotta get pregnant first lol All the best Toni ------------- http://lilypie.com">
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Posted By: Kellz
Date Posted: 08 April 2008 at 8:09pm
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Hi just thought I would pop in and say I have a friend who has had 3VBA2CS. Had her 5th baby, her first girl, exactly a week before I had Isla - they were even due the same day!
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Posted By: jack_&_charli
Date Posted: 08 April 2008 at 8:12pm
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Posted By: jack_&_charli
Date Posted: 08 April 2008 at 8:15pm
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it's definately possible. if it's what you truely want 2bmumof3, then please try. you will regret it if you don't
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Posted By: toniellis
Date Posted: 08 April 2008 at 8:49pm
Yeah still planning the VBA2Cs
7 weeks until my due date so it's starting to get close now! Really happy with the birthplan that I have made in my head, now I just have to put it on paper LOL Honestly when you do get pregnant & make the decision on what to do, just remember it is what you are happy with. All well & good to get advice from the experts but I still have nightmares about my c-sections & the need for another attempt at a VB is just something I can't let go of! ------------- Mum to Alex (11), Blaire (10) & Erika (8) and Damien (6) Successful HWB VBA2Cs! Soon to be surrogate |
Posted By: toniellis
Date Posted: 08 April 2008 at 8:50pm
Just wondering why you can't have an attempt? You might have already said but if you have then I have a shocking memory & can't remember ------------- Mum to Alex (11), Blaire (10) & Erika (8) and Damien (6) Successful HWB VBA2Cs! Soon to be surrogate |
Posted By: busymum
Date Posted: 08 April 2008 at 9:02pm
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Some docs strongly advise against a VBAC because the issue that 'caused' the first c/s is likely to recur, such as small pelvis.
Toni I got the same nightmares, thought I was fine until about 32 weeks. It took me until 38 wks pg to finally settle in my mind that it wouldn't be the end of the world to have trial of labour. I just wanted a definite VBAC or c/s but NOT an emergency c/s - and that really scared me. ------------- |
Posted By: jack_&_charli
Date Posted: 09 April 2008 at 11:06am
jack was an elective due to being breech, but i was told there's no reason i couldn't deliver vaginally next time as all looked good......went into labour with charli but she was posterior and head flexed, then her heartrate went all over the place so i had an emergency c/s. during which, they had probs getting her out and all the tugging and pulling caused a big tear to my uterus, which is why i'm not allowed to attempt another VBAC.
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Posted By: jack_&_charli
Date Posted: 09 April 2008 at 11:10am
i can completely understand that! i am still coming to terms with how charli's birth ended and i don't think i will ever 'get over' the fact i couldn't deliver her myself
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Posted By: toniellis
Date Posted: 09 April 2008 at 5:16pm
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Yip, really hard thing to let go of aye.
I think the worst thing for me with Blaire was there was NO reason for my c-section then. They put it down to "failure to progress" but they only gave me NINE hours from when I walked in the door with niggles for my induction which they didn't end up doing. Nevermind that Blaire was happy & heartrate was fine etc etc. Things are GOING to be different for me this time. That sucks about them tearing your uterus! Rough blimen surgeons 
When I went in for my c-section for Blaire, not only did they not cut me open enough to fit him out (had to go back & cut some more!), they also managed to poke him in the eye really badly when they were pulling him out. And so many people wonder why I don't want to go back to hospital LOL! ------------- Mum to Alex (11), Blaire (10) & Erika (8) and Damien (6) Successful HWB VBA2Cs! Soon to be surrogate |
Posted By: Two Blondinis
Date Posted: 09 April 2008 at 8:07pm
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OMFG! Poor Blair! I totally agree with you Toni - I'd want a home birth after that ordeal too. Failure to progress after 9 hours?!?!?!? EEkkk!
At least mine was failure to progress after 22 hours, I was 9.5cm dialated but my lil' minx wasn't having a bar of it! lol I must have gone to bed thinking about you last night Toni LOL I had a dream I was pregnant again and was having a water birth (how Caitlin's started out), it was really nice ahh well - we'll see next time around------------- http://lilypie.com">
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Posted By: jack_&_charli
Date Posted: 09 April 2008 at 9:13pm
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i don't blame you either! poor blaire!!
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Posted By: 2bmumof3
Date Posted: 10 April 2008 at 9:56am
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As if these poor babies (and ourselves) don't have enough to deal with when going through childbirth in any form, the surgeons have alot to answer for being soo rough. Great that you're allowed a homebirth, I've certainly tried to talk my midwife round but she's not keen, I'm just counting my lucky stars that I found her to support me even trying a VBA2C.
Well I got the statistics he was quoting to me and they actually happened to be older than the ones I'd quoted to him...I guess when he told me they were this years ones he didn't expect me to want proof?? My midwife, husband and I all couldn't believe what was in this study. Not only did it show that due to me only being 152cm tall statistically I'd have a higher chance of rupturing uterus...doesn't matter that my babies are in perfect proportion for me, but also the more years at schooling obtained by the mothers the higher the chance of uterine rupture, what absolute crap!! Now, after a fews days of reflection I've started to get quite cross about it all as the obstetricians position is to provide pros and cons regarding BOTH VBA2C and ERCS. Whereas he only gave me some scare tactic bad figures of attempting a VBA2C, never mind the infection or baby respitory problems that are more commonly associated with ERCS. My midwife is coming with me to the 38wk appointment and said there's no way he can actually say no to my choice of birthing at the hospital, an if he does then it'll go to the college of midwifes legal team. And I completely agree, I felt very dissapointed at not being able to birth my other 2 kids naturally, I always felt cheated out of an experience I'm owed so I'm back to fighting!! I'll let you know how it goes in a few weeks. |
Posted By: toniellis
Date Posted: 12 April 2008 at 9:13am
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LOL Sara!! Your OB must have been a fair bit bummed out then aye!!
Less than two weeks until my next OB appointment... Getting a little nervous! I'm trying to decide if I should just tell him that I am having a homebirth because of my fear of the hospital or if I just keep my mouth shut & don't say a word. ------------- Mum to Alex (11), Blaire (10) & Erika (8) and Damien (6) Successful HWB VBA2Cs! Soon to be surrogate |
Posted By: james
Date Posted: 12 April 2008 at 1:42pm
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aww these poor baby james had a huge brise on the top of his head from the vonturse aswell i,m just glad we didnt have to have forepes ------------- <a href="http://lilypie.com"><img src="http://b4.lilypie.com/nLJ5p13.png" alt="Lilypie 4th Birthday Ticker" border="0" /></a> |
Posted By: 2bmumof3
Date Posted: 12 April 2008 at 1:51pm
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What does you're midwife think about telling the OB about your homebirth plans? Reality is most people labour as long as possible at home anyway so as far as the hospital would ever need to know then you simply didn't make it there on time.
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Posted By: Bombshell
Date Posted: 12 April 2008 at 4:14pm
| oh my - reading this makes me feel so blessed for my wonderful surgeon and awesome birthing experience! sorry to hear some of you have had a terrible time...mine has made me clear that it will always be elective c sections for me! |
Posted By: toniellis
Date Posted: 24 April 2008 at 8:27am
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Okay appointment is today & I am soooooooooooo nervous!! I threw up because of being so anxious about it! Appointment to see the OB is at 11.20am so I have just under three hours to kill until I have to leave... Will update when I get back.
Fingers crossed it's the NICE OB!!! Please please please!!! ------------- Mum to Alex (11), Blaire (10) & Erika (8) and Damien (6) Successful HWB VBA2Cs! Soon to be surrogate |
Posted By: 2bmumof3
Date Posted: 24 April 2008 at 4:09pm
| Can't wait to hear how you went toniellis, in fact I've checked this forum 3 times since finding your first post today, lol. |
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Date Posted: 24 April 2008 at 5:11pm
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Posted By: toniellis
Date Posted: 24 April 2008 at 8:14pm
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Appointment was AWFUL! Really wish I hadn't bothered to go. It wasn't the same OB I had last time & she just didn't listen to a word I said. She just had a quick squizz at my notes & said "Oh you have had 2 c-sections so you will be wanting another one." I was like UM NO!. She just told me that VBA2Cs are just not done & then pretty much shut off. She said she will book me in for the c-section (no date yet) & she wants to see me at 38 weeks plus I am to have a growth scan as she thinks this baby is quite big. I tried to tell her that yes I do have reasonably big babies but don't think she was listening to me *sigh*
I can't wait to see my midwife next week & if I have to have another OB appointment then I want my original OB!! ------------- Mum to Alex (11), Blaire (10) & Erika (8) and Damien (6) Successful HWB VBA2Cs! Soon to be surrogate |
Posted By: Maya
Date Posted: 24 April 2008 at 8:27pm
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Bugger Toni! That sucks
Kind of OT but have you had a chance to look at the OHbaby! magazine? There's a one page Ask the Experts question by our OB Dr Sharma on VBA2C you might find interesting, and might give you some ammo to use. ------------- Maya Grace (28/02/03)
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Posted By: toniellis
Date Posted: 24 April 2008 at 9:03pm
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Oh no I haven't seen the Oh Baby mag... I will definitely be getting a copy though!
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Posted By: 2bmumof3
Date Posted: 24 April 2008 at 9:05pm
| Hi Toni, I agree that sucks!! It took me a few days to get over my appointment last time an am now full of fight again. I also have an OB appointment at 38 wks (this monday) where he's already told my midwife I'm not a good candidate for a VBA2C and will be strongly suggesting a c-section. Midwife has talked to collage of midwives and they say there is absolutely no way they can force you into a c-section or refuse to assist you at the hospital when in labour. My strategy is to simply be polite (there's no point trying to argue with these guys as they think they know best no matter how much research you've done) but refuse. I'm not even going to allow a date to be set for c-section but may agree to seeing him again at 41 weeks. My midwife is coming an I would suggest you see if yours can come to your next appointment. They (obstetricians) can make you feel like your wanting to try something that is unrealistic and dangerous for you and bubs, they tend to only give the negatives of VBA2C and pros of c-section rather than pros and cons of both which means you're not being given the info to make an informed decision. As long as you're happy with all the research you've done then be strong and make the decsion that feels right for you and bubs. A final decider to swing me and my husband back to the VBA2C was an article completed earlier this year showing that babies born by c-section have a 2 1/2 times higher chance of dying than babies born naturally due to breathing issues. Now this was not a VBAC study, just a general on the whole but it showed us that you can find info to support which ever theory you choose to believe. |
Posted By: Two Blondinis
Date Posted: 24 April 2008 at 9:09pm
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Sounds like you need to get a different OB! At the end of the day it is your body, your baby and your decision! Stuff what is or isn't normally done
Are you in Clarks Beach Auckland? If so, I'd ask to see Anil Sharma (same guy who wrote the article Emma mentioned). He did my lap (came very highly recommended by a lot of oh baby ladies) and if I have another CS or need to see an OB for a VBAC I'll certainly be asking him ------------- http://lilypie.com">
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Posted By: 2bmumof3
Date Posted: 24 April 2008 at 9:11pm
| Toni, just a small add on, I'm presuming you've done alot of research yourself but if you want I'm happy to send you a copy of the letter with the most relevant studies I found that I sent to my ob. I did the research but had my midwife go through it, making sure the studies quoted were from valuable sources an I really did try to ensure I had the bad and the good to both VBA2C and ERCS. |
Posted By: toniellis
Date Posted: 24 April 2008 at 9:56pm
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Sara yeah I have done heaps of research and having both my midwife being so supportive of VBA2Cs plus the original OB that I had being supportive was great.... Just this OB who has taken over while my OB is on holiday is just well GRRR is the nicest thing I can think of right now!
I've decided that I won't be having any more OB appointments unless it is with my original OB & my midwife is with me.... Toni, yes I am in Clark's Beach Auckland
I WILL be continuing with my planned home waterbirth. Stuff everyone with a bad opinion because I am SURE I can do this! ------------- Mum to Alex (11), Blaire (10) & Erika (8) and Damien (6) Successful HWB VBA2Cs! Soon to be surrogate |
Posted By: Two Blondinis
Date Posted: 25 April 2008 at 8:50am
Good for you Toni! The more women put their foot down and insist on the birth they want (and deserve) then these anti-VBAC OBs will start to come around. I'm sure you have done heaps of research and would never put you or your baby at risk - so what's the problem?!?!? Wishing you a very successfull and rewarding home birth. I look forward to hearing all about it ------------- http://lilypie.com">
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Posted By: 2bmumof3
Date Posted: 28 April 2008 at 2:22pm
| Well the obstectric appointment did not go well at all. The obstetrician is completely against my attempting a VBA2C and stated that as soon as I have any sign of labour i.e show, ruptured membranes, contractions then i should go straight to the hospital and when I questioned the fact that a show can happen a couple of weeks before labour starts he (the obstetrician) told me I would be "irresponsable" if I waited at all. He informed me that if I go into labour and go to the hospital then I would either have to have a c-section or be asked to leave and go elsewhere. The elsewhere would have to be either palmy or lower hutt which I can't see the benefit of sending me on a trip over there...imagine a ruptured uterus on the rimutakas!! I have refused to go back again and see him next week as I see no point. I'm very angry as all this will hinder my labour, I just want to stay at home and be left alone now, not even go to the hospital once labour is established or nearly over. |
Posted By: toniellis
Date Posted: 28 April 2008 at 2:28pm
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Oh Sara that is awful!! Grrrr at nasty OBs
You need to be comfortable & happy where you birth. Maybe home would be best if your midwife is okay with that? ------------- Mum to Alex (11), Blaire (10) & Erika (8) and Damien (6) Successful HWB VBA2Cs! Soon to be surrogate |
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Date Posted: 28 April 2008 at 2:29pm
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Posted By: 2bmumof3
Date Posted: 28 April 2008 at 2:44pm
| I've tried to get my midwife to agree to a homebirth but that's something she's simply not comfortable with. However, I'm really starting to wonder if I may just not make to the hospital in time ;). I really just want labour to hurry up and start before this gets any uglier but unfortunately my history takes me to term. I also have to try to turn my little darling as she's currently posterior but I do know that can happen even when in labour, more commonly for subsequent babies. |
Posted By: susieq
Date Posted: 28 April 2008 at 5:00pm
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Posted By: toniellis
Date Posted: 28 April 2008 at 5:25pm
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Hi Stacey, I know someone who has had 6 c-sections so you can have more than 3 c-sections.... It comes under one of those "not recommended" categories though LOL
Anything is really possible if you want it & are stubborn enough to do it. Sara, I would be doing that too! Just "oh oops sorry I couldn't make it to hospital!" if no one was willing to help me... Wish I had done that with son #2 but nevermind. Have you tried homeopathic remedies at all? I've got lots LOL Like 5W, EPO, raspberry leaf tablets, Pre-Birth (start taking that one 15 days before due date) etc... Supposed to "help" get my body ready for this birth... If they don't work then never mind it's all natural anyway When are you due?------------- Mum to Alex (11), Blaire (10) & Erika (8) and Damien (6) Successful HWB VBA2Cs! Soon to be surrogate |
Posted By: 2bmumof3
Date Posted: 28 April 2008 at 6:48pm
| I'm due 15th May, making me 37+4 wks. Last time I tried all sorts from Aromatherapy, reflexology, acupuncture to evening primrose oils, sex and long walks up and down hills. I came to the conclusion that the baby comes when ready. I have been doing the old crawling round on hands and knees to try to get bubs in better position, I sleep on my left side naturally which is sposed to be good. I've spoken to my midwife again and she says she still supports what I want to do i.e elective c-section or VBA2C (in hospital) but she also mentioned she can't protect my space when in labour and has no doubt the obstetrician will come in, an it won't be plesant. She also did mention the fact that she has to work with this guy again which makes me wonder if she's starting to think it would simply be easiest for all if I did go for the ERCS. She's also now writing up something for me to sign stating that I've been informed about the risks, that she's recommended I come in hospital immediately (with first sign of labour), that I have constant monitoring and that a candular (? spelling) be inserted and that I understand an decide ????? This is what the college of midwifes has suggested an it feels like a bit of a cop out when all along I've been told that she believes I'm not asking to do anything unreasonable. I started reading a hypnobirthing book which so far has been great, very empowering so I'll try to get back into that to boost my confidence again. |
Posted By: toniellis
Date Posted: 28 April 2008 at 8:08pm
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Okay so she wants you to sign this basically so she doesn't get in the poop if things go bad? Understandable from her POV but abit of a cop out to me. Still it is only to say that she "recommends" that you do these things and that she has told you, you don't have to agree to any of those things if you don't want to. My first OB made it very clear to me to stay home as long as possible which very much endeared him to me LOL. In my experience I would say that you do NOT want to go to hospital straight away or constant monitoring or a cathater
I had all three of those with #2 and surprise surprise another c-section even though neither of us were distressed. I have a book called Hypnobirthing: The Mongan Method, which I have found fantastic. Honestly if that was me, then I would probably wait until I NEEDED my midwife before calling her. You could still transfer to hospital if that is what you want but I found the clock starts ticking once you step inside the door with their time limits & demands End of the day your body & they can't do anything without your consent & if your midwife isn't capable/willing to stand up to you then find a very strong willed person who WILL tell the doctors to back off on your behalf. Maybe your Hubby/partner or a very close friend?------------- Mum to Alex (11), Blaire (10) & Erika (8) and Damien (6) Successful HWB VBA2Cs! Soon to be surrogate |
Posted By: 2bmumof3
Date Posted: 28 April 2008 at 8:47pm
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I agree, I can see her POV an need to cover her butt, however it feels like a bit of a backdown. She has verbally said that I should leave it as long as possible before calling her when in labour as as soon as she knows then she has to recommend I head straight to the hospital. The part I'm most concerned about is that I know all the hospital midwifes have been informed that even in my midwife doesn't call the ob when I go in in labour then they are to. He will come straight in an insist on c-section. I can see it getting nasty.
The Mongan method is the one I've been reading also. It really makes you feel empowered and confident. I plan on getting into that tonight, boosting my confidence again then when my midwife calls in to see me tomorrow I'll be ready to fight for what I want again. |
Posted By: 2bmumof3
Date Posted: 29 April 2008 at 12:12pm
| Well I saw my midwife this morning. I think she was just as down as I was yesterday. The letter she asked me to sign to give her some protection was very nicely written and not offensive at all. After a good sleep I, my husband and my midwife are all very confident and ready to continue on with our battle again. I guess we'll just have to wait and see how it pans out...only a couple of weeks till it'll all be over an I can get on with simply dealing with my family again. |
Posted By: toniellis
Date Posted: 02 May 2008 at 4:36pm
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Yeah not long now for you!!
I got my birthing pool today... So exciting! Absolutely dying to put it all together & try it out LOL Midwife appoinment went well & everything is still green light GO for this homebirth So I'm superhappy & really looking forward to the big day ------------- Mum to Alex (11), Blaire (10) & Erika (8) and Damien (6) Successful HWB VBA2Cs! Soon to be surrogate |
Posted By: Bizzy
Date Posted: 04 May 2008 at 8:46am
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i am the opposite of you - i have had 2 vaginal births then a c section for my third. and i understand completely about the hospital doing things by the book and pushing intervention when sometimes less intervention is best. i firmly believe that i would never have had to have a c section if i had been listened to in the first place and induction was not attempted when it was. However at the end of the day the c section was the best outcome for my baby.
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Posted By: Bizzy
Date Posted: 04 May 2008 at 8:49am
wanted to say too that this sentence disturbed me. I think at the end of the day it is not what we are "owed" but rather that we owe it to our babies to make sure they arrive healthy and safely. ------------- http://www.myfitnesspal.com/weight-loss-ticker">
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Posted By: toniellis
Date Posted: 04 May 2008 at 10:04am
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Sorry Bizzy but I honestly believe that my babies would have arrived quite healthily without the c-sections I had... Yes a c-section does have it's place BUT not in 25% of national births... And I have to agree with Sara, I am OWED because the OBs stole my positive birthing experiences. No mother in their right mind would choose to have a baby arrive in any other condition than healthy & safely so I find that comment just a tad rude. I would always choose to have a c-section & a healthy child rather than a vaginal birth & a dead baby!! But that is not what we are talking about here at all ------------- Mum to Alex (11), Blaire (10) & Erika (8) and Damien (6) Successful HWB VBA2Cs! Soon to be surrogate |
Posted By: Bizzy
Date Posted: 04 May 2008 at 10:12am
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well toni i didnt say you were either. you have misinterpreted my post. it was primarily an offer of support and secondly a reminder of what is important. You sound like you have made an informed decision and have a good support network in the form of your mw and partner. you may not have long to go now so best of luck to you. ------------- http://www.myfitnesspal.com/weight-loss-ticker">
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Date Posted: 04 May 2008 at 5:36pm
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Posted By: Maya
Date Posted: 04 May 2008 at 7:08pm
With all due respect, and given that I have been blessed enough to have given birth to three babies vaginally, I have to disagree with that statement. Every single woman's perception of her birth experience/s is/are different, and just because someone has previously experienced a successful vaginal delivery does NOT exempt them from the same feelings of guilt, regret, frustration etc. that a woman who has only experienced a c-sect feels. In fact, to be totally honest I think having a c-sect AFTER having successfully had vaginal delivery/ies would be devastating - the knowledge that your body CAN do what nature intended it to do but was not able to for whatever reason, be it medical intervention or otherwise would be incredibly frustrating.
I fully support a woman's right to make the choices that she sees best for her and her baby, and I agree that vaginal deliveries are, in MOST cases, safer for baby and for mother. Depending on the reason for the initial c-sect/s, there's no reason why a VBAC can't be successful and be a positive experience. And I think LMC's have an obligation to allow women to have access to this option, but also to all of the relevant information and statistics to help them make their decision. It seems like Toni's LMC has invested a lot of time and effort in ensuring that she is fully informed in her choice to attempt a VBA2C, and that is to be commended. However I can understand the reluctance of the medical profession to embrace VBAC as a routine option as, in the event that anything should go wrong, it is them that are to be held responsible. Also, VBAC or otherwise, vaginal births are not all positive experiences. I have friends who are still coming to terms with how horrible and traumatic their birth experiences were two years after the event. And having been the support person at a particularly horrific vaginal delivery in which both mother and baby were severely compromised, medical intervention has it's place. It's a little simplistic to think that just because a baby comes out vaginally, everything will be fine, in practise this is sadly not the case. I'm going to go back to my own little vaginal birth bubble now, but please don't read this as a criticism as it's not, I wish you all well with successful VBACs, but having spent hours researching pregnancy and birth from all angles in the course of my job, I felt compelled to respond. ------------- Maya Grace (28/02/03)
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Posted By: Bizzy
Date Posted: 04 May 2008 at 7:27pm
i'm sorry but the reason i had to have a caesar was due to medical intervention... having had 2 vaginal deliveries i completely understand the desire to have a vbac and i wouldnt wish a caesar on anybody so fully support the desire to try for a vaginal birth... before i had my baby to me the thought of having a caesar was the worse case scenario so when i was told that was how it may end up i tried my hardest to not make it happen, as did the mw's and medical team. Unfortunatley it didnt work and i learnt that having a caesar wasnt the worse case scenario i had imagined it to be after all. i fully support anyones desires to try for a vaginal delivery but just wanted to say that if it didnt work, despite their best efforts, then a third caesar isnt the worse case scenario. ------------- http://www.myfitnesspal.com/weight-loss-ticker">
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Posted By: 2bmumof3
Date Posted: 04 May 2008 at 8:04pm
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There's a few good points coming up in the last few posts. New studies are coming up regarding the effects of a bad birth experience (vaginally or c-section) being related to post natal depression. In my case, where I stated that I feel I'm owed this experience, my VBAC attempt with my 2nd child was not a fair trial (too long winded to go into detail). I agree that another c-section is NOT the worst end result of a VBA2C try, if I'm given a fair shot at labouring this time then I'm certain I'll feel good about however I end up birthing as long as it means healthy baby and mum.
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Date Posted: 04 May 2008 at 8:31pm
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Posted By: Maya
Date Posted: 04 May 2008 at 8:46pm
So on the on hand there is no way she could possibly understand, but on the other hand she *might* feel the same way as you do? I think we need to be very careful when assuming to know what other people do and don't, can and can't feel. Again, not a criticism, just an observation that whilst we are all entitled to our own thoughts and opinions, I personally don't believe that extends to making assumptions on OTHER people's thoughts an opinions. ------------- Maya Grace (28/02/03)
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