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    Posted: 11 January 2013 at 9:42pm
Hi all,
My eldest boy (stepson DSS1) is 11 going on 12. His parents have been separated for 8 years, I've been in his life for 7. We all get on really well (including DSS's mum), and have had 50/50 custody since the separation. He's always been a nervy, almost neurotic boy, which is very similar to his mum's personality.
Over the last few months, DSS1 has been having trouble settling at night, coming out of his room alot and taking a couple of hours to fall asleep, and lately it has escalated to the point where he vomits before sleeping. He doesn't show any signs of panic attacks, when we talk to him he can't think of anything in particular that upsets him either here or at his mum's house.   This only happens at our place.
I'm stumped with what else to do for him, he is happy as larry during the day and evening, we've tried earlier dinner, later dinner, cutting out certain foods, earlier bedtime, later bedtime, phone calls to his mother before sleeping, relaxation exercises, white noise, physical activity in the afternoon, no activity in the afternoon, quiet time with his dad or I before bed, quiet time as a whole family before bed...

If anybody has any suggestions or has dealt with this before, I'd love to hear from you - we are at a loss of what to do next. Help!

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Gosh, don't know but sounds like he's got an aversion to going to bed?

What about bach flowers sleep remedy I think it's called?
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If it does not happen at his mums house I wonder if that's because she would not put up with. He is getting a lot of attention over it so if he is after attention it is working.

I would go back to normal routine & be firm/consistent.

What time is his bedtime? Does he read a book in bed before lights out?

How old are the other kids in the house? are they getting more attention than him?

Are you giving him the responsibility of a 11-12yr old, does he have jobs to do.

Does he get spoilt because you only have him 50/50?

I have an 11yr old being pre-teen he can be hard work sometimes.



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Where does he sleep when he is at his mums? I'm sure you have already but have you discussed it with her to see if there is any major difference with sleeping arrangements and routines at her place?
What does he say or ask for when he gets up?

Don't be too hard on him, it'll only make him feel worse when he's possibly craving security.
If he's an otherwise well behaved boy then I doubt that it will be behavioural. What's his normal reaction during the day if he doesn't have something his own way?
I started to have sleeping problems at around the same age. There was a lot going on at the time and I felt extremely vulnerable and scared when I was in bed at night. I used to sleep on the floor in mums room or in the hallway. My mother never tried to understand or address the cause of it and instead got irritated and cross with me. It set the wheels in motion for insomnia, depression and anxiety. I'm not saying that your boy will end up like this and not trying to scare you, just advising that you tread with caution (which I think you've been doing) because the vomiting sounds to me like it's more than attention seeking. It's possible that he's scared but is too embarrassed to say what it is out loud. He may have seen something on TV that's made him feel unsafe at night time or that either one of you could get hurt and so on. For whatever reason and as hard as it may be on you for a while, he feels like he needs to be close to you. Try sitting in his room with him until he falls asleep and see if that helps. Take yourself a book or magazine and use the time to relax.

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I don't know if this article is at all helpful to you but it talks generally about the fear and anxiety of children of varying ages:

http://www.accg.net/childfear.htm
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Originally posted by Kristina103761 Kristina103761 wrote:

I don't know if this article is at all helpful to you but it talks generally about the fear and anxiety of children of varying ages:

http://www.accg.net/childfear.htm


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Hi, thanks all for the replies. :-)

To answer a few of your questions, we're very careful not to 'molly-coddle' him when he is here, in fact his mother is a softer touch than us (and the boys have happily admitted it lol). His bedtime was 7.30, it's now 8/8.15 with the option to read a book for 20 minutes if he chooses. The other boys are 8 years (same mum and dad) and 11 months (same dad, and me, stepmum), we're generally pretty careful to distribute our attention as evenly as we can, and take turns having one-on-one time with each of the boys. Both the 2 big boys have jobs to do, with the 11 year old doing more due to his age. I'm mindful of balancing being stern and consistent with being supportive without enabling (if that makes sense?) I've worked with a lot of nervy kids as a teacher, but it's always different when it's your own child :-)
He's generally a very happy boy, can be sensitive at times and has an occasional tendency to over-think things. He's always been that way, and according to his grandparents on his mum's side, he's a less-extreme version of her at the same age.   
When he comes out at night, he'll just say that he's having trouble sleeping, or can't sleep, or can't 'turn off' his mind. When we suggest he has a drink of water, or lies down with a soft toy he'll happily do it without fuss, tears or tantrums, hence why I don't think it's attention seeking.

Last week I sat down with him and we talked through what was happening. When I pointed out that people generally only vomit when they're sick and that he wasn't sick, he had a bit of a lightbulb moment and went 'oh yeah!' (should add, he had bad reflux till 3.5 and it still gives him grief when he's tired, and combined with his asthma has meant that on more than one occasion he has coughed until he vomited, or acid has come up) His dad got him to do some positive affirmations throughout the day, and I gave him an exercise to do in bed to help him switch his mind off. So far, so good! We've had 10 days without any vomiting or coming out late at night.
April, thanks for the tip re sitting in his room, will have to keep that one in mind, along with the others like the bach sleep remedy :-)

Here's hoping it keeps our biggest boy happy for a while longer yet!
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Is it still happening on a regular basis? Have you tried a reward system?

I get where he is coming from about switching off when going to bed I think my 11yr old son has the same issues, it is a tough being preteen with body changes, thinking process changes its tough.

I have just set up a chart for all my boys 6,8 & 11yr I have found over the holidays the lack of structure has made it hard for me to get them to do their normal choirs & get them to bed on time, so I have made a strict routine with everything on it & they will earn game time in the weekend & there will be extra rewards. My aim is to get everything back to second nature like making beds, tiding rooms etc.

I think you are doing a great job keep it up
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Hi Jazzy,
He came out again tonight, although I suspect that is due to being overtired from the first week back at school. Haven't tried a reward system yet, but it is on the list of options - great point about the holidays lacking structure!
Thanks for the thumbs up, I appreciate it :-)
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Hi,
My son, who is 7 has very similar issues. He is a worrier and if there is something to worry about he will worry. We have had huge sleep issues very similar to yours and he used to have to go to sleep with music on loud and light on. This meant he wasn't getting good sleep and would therefore fall asleep in the afternoon which only made goin to sleep in the evening even harder. He also woke frequently in the night. He goes to his dads for two nights every second weekend and doesn't seem to have any issues there. He doesn't vomit at night but if there is something big coming up and he is worried it usually manifests as vomiting (he also had 'reflux' as a baby but in hindsight I regret medicated him for it). Anyway we ended up taking him to a psychologist who had a wee chat with him and have us a sleep programme. That coincided with the end of school and he was really good over the holidays so we haven't started it yet. Basically the programme was training him to get to sleep without needing loud music or the light on and then having a reward system for sleeping well. As we are in Christchurch the psychologist was free but to be honest it would have been worth paying to take him. My sons father has a few mental health issues and if he is going to go down the same path as him I would really like to give him coping strategys earlier rather than later.
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