Daycare, preschool, kindy & montessori
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Topic: Daycare, preschool, kindy & montessori
Posted By: Deez
Subject: Daycare, preschool, kindy & montessori
Date Posted: 10 June 2008 at 10:09am
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Can someone please explain the difference between them all. -------------  
Lycan and Peyton = Moon and back!! |
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Posted By: ElfsMum
Date Posted: 10 June 2008 at 10:43am
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i dont know heaps about montesorri except it's specialist preschool where they have seperate philosophy but there are some parents on here with kids there so they can help with that...
Kindy is for 3(3 xafternoon) or 4 year old (5xmorning) and is more structured like school with mat times etc and is all children of the same age..and generally(though not always) sessional ratio for teachers is 1-15 or 1-10 preschool /daycare - there are many different sorts but privately run for example have say under 2s and over 2's (variations on this as they often split them up further ) and ratio is 1-4 for unders and 1-8 ish for overs and teachers are ECE trained (at kindy they are trained and registered like primary teachers) ECE dont all have to be trained but most are.. and there are a variety...some are more free play some are structured.. and preschool are open for example 7am-6pm and not closed for holidays like kindy is..kindy runs on donation preschool you pay for (though some kindys and preschools do 20 free hours) ------------- Mum to two amazing boys! |
Posted By: fattartsrock
Date Posted: 10 June 2008 at 2:40pm
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Jake goes to a Pre School that is run like a kindy, sessional, structured,mat times, registered teachers etc. It also does the 20 hours free, which is a bomus. Otherwise you pay per session, like kindy, it was about $3.65 a session or someting similar.
I always thought that pre school and day care were different but people just called day care pre school? I thought pre school was like what Jake goes to, more kindy like than anything? See, always learning! We looked at Montessori, but I felt it was a bit too rigid for Jake, although I did like their learning philosophy. Here, it is the "trendy" thing to do, so maybe kids aren't going for the philosophy, but the "name"...the families that go are all the same "types" of people. Thats Blenners for ya, tho! Google it, it is very interesting! Might see how Charlotte goes and look at it again for her, although we are in love with the pre school and it prepares him for the school he will be going to, (is attatched to the catholic school) so she will probably go there as well. ------------- The Honest Un PC Parent of 2, usually stuck in the naughty corner! :P |
Posted By: mummy_becks
Date Posted: 10 June 2008 at 3:44pm
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Foxxy_one has explained it pretty good, but I will add that to be teaching at any early childhood place you have to be trained to at least the diploma or still be in training for it. The daycare Andrew went to the older side was called the preschool so we just called it preschool to him. ------------- I was a puree feeder, forward facing, cot sleeping, pram pushing kind of Mum... and my kids survived! |
Posted By: Candkids
Date Posted: 10 June 2008 at 4:37pm
i had sarah at a montisorri school for a few months and personally i wasnt impressed at all, it was basicly like going to school, the day was structured like a school day, i thought it took alot away from them "being kids" so i took her out and put her into kindy, she loved it!! some kindys are not sessional, and alot are going to 6hour sessions also, but what i did like about kindy was they let kids have their indepandance and let them figure things out for themselves, where daycares tend to do everything for the kids. ------------- http://lilypie.com" rel="nofollow">  DD 10.5yrs DS 6yrs DS 11mths 5 little angles watching from above |
foxxy_one wrote:Posted By: Deez
Date Posted: 10 June 2008 at 4:52pm
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I have him on a waiting list at a preschool but it's 6months before he even gets a look in and that was for under 2's...he'll be 2 next month and will be moved to the over 2's waiting list which is even longer.....so i need to find somewhere in the mean time for him to go....
Everyone tells me to put him in here and there but someone else comes along and puts me off the places i've been told to go! It's so hard............... -------------
Lycan and Peyton = Moon and back!! |
Posted By: ElfsMum
Date Posted: 10 June 2008 at 5:04pm
not true...as of 1st jan this year 50% of teachers have to be in training(or trained)..although lots of places wont take on untrained teachers.. i just assume people call daycare preschool and vice versa...people used to call us a creche..which we werent:(! ------------- Mum to two amazing boys! |
Posted By: ElfsMum
Date Posted: 10 June 2008 at 5:05pm
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and i disagree about doing things for the kids..we never did everything for the kids..i think it depends on the preschool.. some probably do but some definitely dont..we like to encourage independence too.. ------------- Mum to two amazing boys! |
Posted By: ElfsMum
Date Posted: 10 June 2008 at 5:06pm
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i would just go to the places and get a feel for them and see what you think..what suits one parent doesn't suit others etc.. ------------- Mum to two amazing boys! |
Posted By: Candkids
Date Posted: 10 June 2008 at 5:35pm
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you could look at an in home caregiver, through an organisation such as home grown kids or porse, there fantastic, and as they have a small ratio of kids, there really flexable and do so much with the kids.
eg - jett gos to a lady who has 4 kids a day, she takes them to the supermarket, the park, mc donalds etc, if im running late i can just give her a call and tell her or if i need 2 do something short notice i can just give her a call also. shes fantastic. i thought ALL teachers had to be in training or trained now. as i know alot of the older daycare teachers and also teacher aides at primary schools and kindys lost their jobs as they wernt trained. this months issue of littlies has a really good article on picking (i think it was this months) you can pick a copy up from pumpkin patch or amcal. ------------- http://lilypie.com" rel="nofollow"> DD 10.5yrs DS 6yrs DS 11mths 5 little angles watching from above |
Posted By: Deez
Date Posted: 10 June 2008 at 5:37pm
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Yeah i think i will just have to get off my lazy bum and go looking until he gets in the one that i really want him to go too......I want to get him in before November -------------
Lycan and Peyton = Moon and back!! |
Posted By: mummy_becks
Date Posted: 10 June 2008 at 5:48pm
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Yeah they have to be in training or be trained. It benefits the centre if their staff are trained as they get more funding with the more quailifies teachers they have. ------------- I was a puree feeder, forward facing, cot sleeping, pram pushing kind of Mum... and my kids survived! |
Posted By: ElfsMum
Date Posted: 10 June 2008 at 6:26pm
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seriously..i just left one in september..and they dont.. only half our teachers were trained or in training and ERO was fine with it..the official rule it 50% of teachers have to be trained or in training..believe me I am a teacher adn was a supervisor..
anyway :)!! what you say about funding is very true.. http://www.minedu.govt.nz/index.cfm?layout=document&documentid=12328&indexid=10968&indexparentid=1095 From 31 December 2007 the 50% Teacher Qualification Requirement, will come into effect. This means teacher-led, centre based ECE services will need 50% of the "total regulated staff" to hold an ECE teaching qualification recognised by the New Zealand Teachers Council for the purposes of registration. ------------- Mum to two amazing boys! |
Posted By: ElfsMum
Date Posted: 10 June 2008 at 6:27pm
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primary and kindy are different...you do have to be trained and registered there...ECE is different.. Kindy and primary have pay parity and have same rules regarding training. ------------- Mum to two amazing boys! |
Posted By: mummy_becks
Date Posted: 10 June 2008 at 6:50pm
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There is no need to get on your high horse. So we were wrong get over it. Well actually we weren't as in the coming years everyone will have to be qualified and that is what you hear in the media. I used to work for a college of education in NZ and I know that there is not one centre out there in NZ that would not hire a person if they were not prepared to do some training in ECE and if someone is wanting to work in ECE they will go out and get their BEd(tchg)ECE. Most of the people that are working in ECE that aren't fully qualified will have some form of training from years ago as when they trained it was the old points system. ------------- I was a puree feeder, forward facing, cot sleeping, pram pushing kind of Mum... and my kids survived! |
Posted By: ElfsMum
Date Posted: 10 June 2008 at 8:40pm
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my old preschool has just hired someone untrained.. there's no need to be rude about it. ------------- Mum to two amazing boys! |
Posted By: Kels
Date Posted: 10 June 2008 at 9:02pm
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I cant comment on Montessori or kindy as the last time i Had a child in kindy it was 8 years ago |
but Alize has been in Daycare since he was 11mths old and he loves it. He has become really independant and social with adults and child. Like the others have said, go and have a look and get a feel for what you like. GOod luck!Posted By: Candkids
Date Posted: 10 June 2008 at 9:20pm
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all untrained staff hired by a centre must be registered in some form of training within 6 months, and that came from the mouth of a lovley ERO person sitting at my dining room table.
anyway, id go check them all out alot of kindys & daycares will usually let you go along with your child for a session and see how you like it, which i think is great. ------------- http://lilypie.com" rel="nofollow"> DD 10.5yrs DS 6yrs DS 11mths 5 little angles watching from above |
Posted By: ElfsMum
Date Posted: 10 June 2008 at 10:01pm
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catrad.. ok.. she must be going to train then:)well actually there are two one who has worked there forever and one who is trained overseas but not here.. but anyway back to the topic:)
yes it is good you can go and check it out..i like that too...:) ------------- Mum to two amazing boys! |
Posted By: Deez
Date Posted: 11 June 2008 at 8:47am
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Yeh i wil, i might ring around my local ones first (Te Atatu Peninsula) and go visiting them there are a few of them so hopefully i will like one that can take him straight away for a couple mornings till he gets used to it.
Thanks for all your advise  -------------
Lycan and Peyton = Moon and back!! |
Posted By: Maya
Date Posted: 11 June 2008 at 3:16pm
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I know Toni has Caitlin in a daycare type place out that way somewhere, not sure of the details but she might be able to help as I know she did a lot of looking around out there.
Maya went to Montessori and thrived there, other posters are right that it IS a very structured environment but they also have a big focus on literacy and learning which suited Maya as she tends towards being an academic kid. When she started school in Feb she was reading and writing well and is now in the top reading group in her class (on her own lol!). Part of that is that she is quite bright but I do put a lot of the credit on Montessori for nurturing that. The structure was neither here nor there for her, she would adjust well either way, but i think the gremlins will benefit from the structured environment as they have completely different personalities and *need* structure and rules. Maya's Montessori takes them from 2 but we won't start the gremlins till they are 3 as I think 2 is too young for such a structured routine. As for the difference between daycare/kindy/preschool, for me personally daycare is for kids 0-5 and is open longer hours for kids who's parents work, kindy is the public sessional thingie where they do 3 afternoons a week etc. and preschool is like kindy but private. Just my own perceptions tho! Maya's Montessori was kind of a cross between a preschool and a daycare coz they took kids from 2, whereas most preschools only take them from 3, plus they were open 8am-4pm and kids could go full time which is more like a daycare. -------------  Maya Grace (28/02/03)
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The Gremlins:Sienna Marie & Mercedes Kailah (14/10/06)
Lil miss:Chiara Louise Chloe (09/07/08)
Her ladyship:Rosalia Sophie Anais (18/06/12)
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Posted By: ElfsMum
Date Posted: 11 June 2008 at 4:10pm
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so most montessori only take from 2? they have no unders section? ------------- Mum to two amazing boys! |
Posted By: Maya
Date Posted: 11 June 2008 at 4:29pm
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I don't know of any Montessori in Akld that do, don't know of elsewhere. Most don't take them till 3, Maya's one was unusual. ------------- Maya Grace (28/02/03)
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The Gremlins:Sienna Marie & Mercedes Kailah (14/10/06)
Lil miss:Chiara Louise Chloe (09/07/08)
Her ladyship:Rosalia Sophie Anais (18/06/12)
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Posted By: Maya
Date Posted: 11 June 2008 at 4:33pm
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I just looked it up and it doesn't look like there are any places in NZ that offer Montessori for infants. ------------- Maya Grace (28/02/03)
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The Gremlins:Sienna Marie & Mercedes Kailah (14/10/06)
Lil miss:Chiara Louise Chloe (09/07/08)
Her ladyship:Rosalia Sophie Anais (18/06/12)
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Posted By: mummy_becks
Date Posted: 11 June 2008 at 4:39pm
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I have heard that Montessori is only from 3 (something to do with the stage the child is at), as it is so structured and an infacnt can't really cope with THAT much structure. ------------- I was a puree feeder, forward facing, cot sleeping, pram pushing kind of Mum... and my kids survived! |
Posted By: ElfsMum
Date Posted: 11 June 2008 at 4:40pm
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oh ok.. :) didnt know that.. just wondered.. ------------- Mum to two amazing boys! |
Posted By: mummy_becks
Date Posted: 11 June 2008 at 4:52pm
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The daycare Andrew used to go to also had a Montessori and sometimes the teachers from there would come and relieve at the daycare and they expected quite a lot from the daycare kids - very strange. Not my cup of tea - but it works for others. ------------- I was a puree feeder, forward facing, cot sleeping, pram pushing kind of Mum... and my kids survived! |
Posted By: nikkitheknitter
Date Posted: 11 June 2008 at 4:53pm
I don't get ya here. Creche just means day care centre... and as far as I am aware all centres in NZ have to be doing some form of ECE which would put them in the same category as preschool/daycare so it is all the same thing! |
Posted By: ElfsMum
Date Posted: 11 June 2008 at 4:57pm
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a creche is like(to me) ...where people drop their kids off to be babysat..like at a gym etc..
i dunno it just irks teachers when parents call it that:) though you are right it probably means the same thing to me it was different:) ------------- Mum to two amazing boys! |
Posted By: Jennz
Date Posted: 11 June 2008 at 7:20pm
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Kates Montessori (that she'll be going to) takes kids from 2 1/2. They are full immersion Montessori and its not within their ethos to take children any younger than that, plus they also go up until 6 years- she won't be going until shes 3 anyway. They have a minimum of 3 morning sessions a week and you add more to those sessions until they are in full time (normal school hours).
I think that not only do you need to take into consideration the type of facility you want to send them to but each place on an individual basis. ------------- Jen, Charlotte 7 & Kate 3 
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Posted By: Maya
Date Posted: 11 June 2008 at 7:45pm
Nope, according to the NZ Montessori site there is an infant programme for 0-2 that is run overseas but there are no centres in NZ that offer it. Foxxy - I tend to agree with you re: creche, I think of creches as drop in type places like at gyms or shopping centres. ------------- Maya Grace (28/02/03)
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The Gremlins:Sienna Marie & Mercedes Kailah (14/10/06)
Lil miss:Chiara Louise Chloe (09/07/08)
Her ladyship:Rosalia Sophie Anais (18/06/12)
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Posted By: Candkids
Date Posted: 11 June 2008 at 7:56pm
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i have always considered a "creche" as like you said somewhere like at the gym but also kind of like a play group-ish thing, if you know what i mean.
eg- one of the churches in town has a "community creche" my friends mum is there and everytime ive been there there always seems to be lots of adults there socialising etc while their kids are playing ------------- http://lilypie.com" rel="nofollow"> DD 10.5yrs DS 6yrs DS 11mths 5 little angles watching from above |
Posted By: Deez
Date Posted: 14 June 2008 at 4:19pm
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Yay Julie from the preschool i want to put Lycan into rang yesterday and they have a opening for him to start in the over 2's section next term....so we are going to start visiting them once a week till the holidays so he gets an idea of the place then he will start going twice a week in the mornings for term 3 and once he gets used to that i will look at increasing his hours in term 4....I am so pleased about that!
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Posted By: 2bmumof3
Date Posted: 17 June 2008 at 9:20am
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I've found people have quite storng opinions about Montessori, they either think its great or really terrible. I personally love it, my eldest son goes there and is thriving. He has gained alot of confidence and independence. He also is a naturally academic kids always wanting to learn more (really big into numeracy and literacy). They cater really well for him, my husband and I get many pleasent surprises with what he comes out with that we haven't taught him. The one here (Wairarapa) is structured but I wouldn't say OTT. Definately more than afternoon kindy though. Also the one here starts them from 2 1/2, I tried Corban then an he was just too young so pulled him out and waited till he was 3 when he slotted in right away no worries. ------------- Sara Corban (22/11/04) Connor (18/04/06) Chelsea (21/05/08) 
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Posted By: Lisha
Date Posted: 12 July 2008 at 8:27pm
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Lucy started Montersorri at the age of 2. Next term she is going 3 afternoons a week instead of 2.
She is thriving and learning so much. Her personality has changed and we are noticing a huge improvement. ------------- http://lilypie.com">  http://lilypie.com">
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