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Topic: So frustrating!
Posted By: Paws
Subject: So frustrating!
Date Posted: 04 January 2005 at 9:58pm
Wow I never knew how quickly trying for a baby could get frustrating. End of month 1 and 3 tests tell me I'm not pregnant but no period yet. I think the most annoying part is that there are some symptoms there that might have been or might not have been and to see a negative result is mildly frustrating (I can't even imagine how others must feel who have been trying for some time). I think I'm just run down and the short time on the pill has muddled my body up a bit.

Next month we're going to start charting my temperture and monitor when I'll be ovulating (fingers crossed).

Anyway, thanks guys..just had to get that off my chest.



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Posted By: lou
Date Posted: 05 January 2005 at 8:08am
I think trying does funny things to your body.  I was getting all sorts of pregnancy symptoms.  I think the worst bit is not knowing.  At least once you know you're not you can focus on the next month

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Mother to two beautiful children - Sophie age 6 and Ephraim age 4



Posted By: Paws
Date Posted: 05 January 2005 at 1:54pm
Well fingers crossed - I popped down to my doctors office...I'm popping back for them to do a pregnancy test after work. If still negative but still no period by Friday the nurse wants to arrange for a blood test.

Knowing my luck my period will show up in the next 3 hours! *lol*


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Posted By: mum2paris
Date Posted: 05 January 2005 at 2:07pm
sometimes it can be a bit early to test. but just remember to try and relax.. stress does nasty things to your body. you hear of so many people who conceive when they finally decide to give up trying.. cos the finally relax and let their body do the work. good luck

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Posted By: Paws
Date Posted: 05 January 2005 at 5:54pm
It was another negative...will still do bloods if no period come monday though becuase that would put me almost a week late.

I think in the long run what with having just got married, a short stint on the pill, Christmas and being totally stressed with work my body is going into it's own little shut down mode.

It's only our first month trying so I'm not to worried yet as I say...I'll panic after a year! All the same...time to find a relaxing hobby me thinks!

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Posted By: mum2paris
Date Posted: 05 January 2005 at 8:14pm
there are some sites on the net that have ovulation calculators.. i went through and found out mine not long ago and it turns out that, lol, the only time me and my hubby were "intimate" in about 4 weeks around aug/sept, happened to be the day that the calculator said i had ovulated.. no wonder i got preggers!! maybe you can try that in conjunction with the temp thing and all, and mark down the dates on your calendar.

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Janine and her 2 cool chicks, Paris & Ayja



Posted By: Bizzy
Date Posted: 06 January 2005 at 8:44am
yep stress can make your body do strange things and the hardest thing to do is relax, but that is the best thing. it is very easy to let getting pregnant rule your life, i used to spend all month obsessing about it and drive myself crazy. your age is on your side, i would just go for it and not worry about charting - it can take the joy out of sex sometimes (especially for men).

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Posted By: Paws
Date Posted: 06 January 2005 at 5:32pm
That's what I was worried about with Charting but the funny thing is that it's my husband who is all go for it! I think it's cause he can't wait to be a Daddy (yes i warned him about nappies and lack of sleep and everything else I could think of).

You're right though...neither of us want it to become a total obsession!!

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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 07 January 2005 at 1:14pm
Awww poor chicky :( I am waiting on AF aswell she is due today, i have totally taken a step back and relaxed alot lately and am taking it day by day. If AF doesnt arrive by Weds next week im going to test and see what happens :)


Posted By: vanessa
Date Posted: 07 January 2005 at 3:10pm
Yep I am in this category too. My last post was "ttc after miscarriage" and we are still trying!!!

I'm now on Serophene after several months of missing periods (that I'd put down to the miscarriage). It turns out I haven't been ovulating (or very rarely) so even the first pregnancy was a huge fluke!!

The spontenatiy of it all goes out the window a bit when you have to pay for treatment and then use OPK's, temps and at least two blood tests on specified days in the month!!! Still - worth it if it works!!

Anyway all going well, I am due to ovulate Sunday - fun weekend planned huh?! I'm keeping my fingers crossed that this is all the help we need though - even less fun if we need IVF or something!!

Anyway, best of luck to you guys, I have fingers crossed for you too.




Posted By: Paws
Date Posted: 07 January 2005 at 3:29pm
Fingers crossed for you too!!!

I gotta admit there is a huge part of me that is fascinated learning all this stuff that my body actually is doing etc etc....maybe I'm just odd.

And my period did turn up finally....the night of the test!!!

Had another talk to B last night and he is determined to chart so if he is then I am.

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Posted By: vanessa
Date Posted: 07 January 2005 at 4:05pm
Yeah I know what you mean. I certainly have learnt so much about what happens in the girlie department (or unfortunately for me what is supposed to happen and what isn't supposed to happen).

Luckily my husband has been really great. He did all the right supportive things during and after the miscarriage and is right with me on the charting etc. Sounds like yours is too which is excellent.

Best wishes.


Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 08 January 2005 at 11:02am
I personally discovered that when it comes to things that are wrong with ur body i find it more interesting coz there is all this other stuff that you can do or try to make it work :)


Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 09 January 2005 at 9:23am
Ahhh im still late *cross fingers that there is a good reason to why*


Posted By: Paws
Date Posted: 09 January 2005 at 11:03am
Have you done a test? What did it say?

The bad news is when I spoke to the nurse at my doctors office she said if you are late by several days a test should be showing positive if you are pregnant...otherwise most likely not....boooooo....still if nothing turns up after a week you can get bloods done. Just in case.

*fingers crossed*

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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 09 January 2005 at 3:19pm
Nah havent done one yet....am thinking about doing one tomorrow and seeing what happens...yeh if im not there is always this month :D


Posted By: lou
Date Posted: 10 January 2005 at 9:10am
All the best Jezsika.  Hope it's postitive for you.  I'm into the waiting stage now - ovulated sat/sun.  My hubbie really likes trying - I think cause he gets to do it more

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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 18 January 2005 at 11:02am
Well it turns out that my PCOS decided to play games and i O'd on CD26 so just got my period today :D All good tho have some ideas for this month ;)


Posted By: Paws
Date Posted: 18 January 2005 at 1:41pm
Don't you hate when your body totally takes on a mind of it's own??

We're still trying the temp thing though I don't know if mine is that accurate. Other than we're just trying every alternate day.

Fingers crossed and see what happens this month huh ladies??!!

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Posted By: readz
Date Posted: 24 February 2005 at 7:05pm
Hi everyone, im new to this site and I have been ttc for gong on 6 years now. Im trying natural therapy at the moment and visiting an osteopath who deals in fertility. Would love to hear from anyone who may have tried these to get pregnant.
Thanks


Posted By: Paws
Date Posted: 24 February 2005 at 7:24pm
6 years? Wow. I can only imagine how frustrating it must be for you!

Welcome to the site! Really nice to have you join us!

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Posted By: readz
Date Posted: 02 March 2005 at 6:43pm
Hi
Yes frustrating is definitly one way to put it! I'm only 25 though so I still got enough time. I've been together with my husband since I was 15 and we both wanted to be young parents, but so far no luck. I found this site by accident and its kind of comforting to know there are other people out there who have the same dramas. So thanks guys.


Posted By: MamaHales
Date Posted: 28 March 2005 at 10:11am
i stopped taking the pill about 3 years ago and had regular as clockwork periods untill 2 months ago when i started having 1 longer and 1 shorter which is what i was doing before the pill. i have been trying for a bub for about 4 months now and its made it a bit more frustrating that i dont know when im due each month so i have to wait about a week after i think im due to know if to test. thinking now that my body has taken all this time to get back to normal after the pill


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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 28 March 2005 at 12:06pm
Hey ladies

Sorry havent been on in awhile :D

I am 2 days late and still getting BFNs so hopefully i am preg and am just someone who is a late BFPer :D


Posted By: Maya
Date Posted: 28 March 2005 at 8:08pm
Sending you lots of baby dust!

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Maya Grace (28/02/03)
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The Gremlins:Sienna Marie & Mercedes Kailah (14/10/06)
Lil miss:Chiara Louise Chloe (09/07/08)
Her ladyship:Rosalia Sophie Anais (18/06/12)


Posted By: MzMitch
Date Posted: 28 April 2005 at 11:07am
Hmmm

This waiting game sure sucks...
It is a bugger that there is no magic button to push!!! (if there is I want one!!)


I have just purchased some ovulation tests to try & help the situation as my periods are not regular (sould be 21 days could be 28!!! (makes it hard to judge!!)

Good luck to everyone trying...


Posted By: AlyAyde
Date Posted: 28 April 2005 at 11:21am
Keeping my fingers crossed for you Jezsika

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Alyssa 08/04/03

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Posted By: Maya
Date Posted: 28 April 2005 at 11:22am
I'm on CD 19 and still waiting to ovulate which is a little frustrating too, since I always assumed that it happened around the middle of my cycle. Oh well, shall wait and see. We're not trying atm, probably not till after the wedding, but I've started taking my temp every morning to keep track of things.

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Maya Grace (28/02/03)
(02/01/06)
The Gremlins:Sienna Marie & Mercedes Kailah (14/10/06)
Lil miss:Chiara Louise Chloe (09/07/08)
Her ladyship:Rosalia Sophie Anais (18/06/12)


Posted By: kobe
Date Posted: 28 April 2005 at 12:58pm
So far I havent had to worry about the whole tracking temp thing becuase Ive fallen pregnant easily but since my m/c things have been all over the place so might have to start doing the temp thing but what do you do (well apart from taking your temp)and what is it you look out for?

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Robyn & Kobe
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Posted By: Maya
Date Posted: 28 April 2005 at 2:50pm
I'm pretty new at it too, but there's a website www.fertilityfriend.com that gives you all the info you need, plus you can chart your temps online. Basically, you buy a special BBT thermometer (mine cost me $20) and then you take your temp at the same time every morning before you get up. You should see a pattern of lowish temps then all of a sudden your temp will go up by a big amount like 3 or 4 tenths of a degree. Once you have had three days of high temps you can be sure that you've ovulated. Ovulation occurs on the day before your temp goes up, so for the first few months timing is a bit of guesswork, but after a while you should start to see that you usually ovulate on day 12 or day 14 or whatever, and you can plan around that.

This is a link to my chart which might give you some idea what I'm talking about, plus there is heaps of info on other fertility signs etc.

http://www2.fertilityfriend.com/home/96cd0 - http://www2.fertilityfriend.com/home/96cd0

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Maya Grace (28/02/03)
(02/01/06)
The Gremlins:Sienna Marie & Mercedes Kailah (14/10/06)
Lil miss:Chiara Louise Chloe (09/07/08)
Her ladyship:Rosalia Sophie Anais (18/06/12)


Posted By: MzMitch
Date Posted: 29 April 2005 at 1:28pm
Hmm.... Might just have to invest in one of those...


Posted By: kobe
Date Posted: 29 April 2005 at 8:06pm
Thanks for that Emma.

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Robyn & Kobe
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Posted By: kas
Date Posted: 29 April 2005 at 9:00pm

Hey everyone trying to conceive not sure if i have mentioned this before or not but my Midwife that i had with my first baby suggested taking vitimin E capsules 1000mgs per day as that is what her doctor told her.  I was talking to her yesterday and she said that i am the second women she had told to take it and has got pregnant with twins, not sure if taking the vitimin E had anything to so with it or not.

Good luck to all of you.



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Posted By: MzMitch
Date Posted: 04 May 2005 at 9:17am
Hmm how fustrating


On day 31 of cycle & no sign of PD coming!!! Last cycle was only 19 days... did a test today but was negative!!

How long should I wait before testing again.... otherwise I will keep testing & become obsessed LOL


Posted By: Maya
Date Posted: 04 May 2005 at 1:15pm
I would say 3 days. Th amount of hormone when you are prg is supposed to double every 2 days, so if you are pg, it should show up by then. Good luck!

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Maya Grace (28/02/03)
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The Gremlins:Sienna Marie & Mercedes Kailah (14/10/06)
Lil miss:Chiara Louise Chloe (09/07/08)
Her ladyship:Rosalia Sophie Anais (18/06/12)


Posted By: MzMitch
Date Posted: 04 May 2005 at 1:38pm
Thanks Maya...

Will test again in 3 days time!!!


Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 08 May 2005 at 11:16am
Well im still not successful but am going to see my specialist to be put on meds to help with my insulin levels etc DANG PCOS :P But we are taking a break aswell as i am getting married in December 05 :D Dont wanna be preggers and stressing over a wedding at the same time, its just not healthy :D


Posted By: lizzle
Date Posted: 08 May 2005 at 12:14pm
taking a break???? Bet you get pregnant really soon! I thijnk the key is to say "Well, maybe it's better not to have a baby at this time", then BAm, you're up the duff!


Posted By: Maya
Date Posted: 08 May 2005 at 4:28pm
I know what you mean Jeszika - we are getting married March 4 and I really don't want to be huge and preg on my wedding day!

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Maya Grace (28/02/03)
(02/01/06)
The Gremlins:Sienna Marie & Mercedes Kailah (14/10/06)
Lil miss:Chiara Louise Chloe (09/07/08)
Her ladyship:Rosalia Sophie Anais (18/06/12)


Posted By: Paws
Date Posted: 17 May 2005 at 1:48pm
Kas - I'm off to buy Vitamen E today me thinks! I'll give anything a go...heck I'm already on the Pregnacare and Folic acid so what's one more?

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Posted By: lou
Date Posted: 17 May 2005 at 3:50pm
I did aa quick search on vitE and from what I could see too much of it is not good for pregnancy?  But then I guess that is the case for a lot of things.

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Posted By: AlyAyde
Date Posted: 17 May 2005 at 6:21pm
Yep, Also my midwife told me not to take pregnacare until after i was 3 months. Folic acid should be all you need.

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Alyssa 08/04/03

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Posted By: Paws
Date Posted: 17 May 2005 at 9:40pm
Well Pregnacare is supposed to be for preconception care as well but I might just re-think the vitamin E thing!

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Posted By: AlyAyde
Date Posted: 18 May 2005 at 8:03am
Maybe you want to check with your G.P.   Pregnacare has 200% of your reccommended daily folic acid intake (which is fine when you are TTC). But if you are also taking folic acid tablets as well you may be overdoing it.

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Jayde 25/12/04

Alyssa 08/04/03

http://Alyayde.bebo.com


Posted By: AlyAyde
Date Posted: 18 May 2005 at 8:21am
Man reading that i kinda sound bossy, im not really its your choice. I have just heard of so many people taking mulit vits etc thinking that they are doing their body good and really they were doing themselves more harm. A good example is a friends father (this is at the extreme end) had to go for a yearly medical for his job and they found that his liver (i think) was like that of someone that was a severe drinker (hes a tea totaler). Found out he was getting enough vitamin A (i think) through his diet but with the extra from his multi vit it was doing heaps of damage. Got his wife checked and she was the same.

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Jayde 25/12/04

Alyssa 08/04/03

http://Alyayde.bebo.com


Posted By: Paws
Date Posted: 18 May 2005 at 9:20am
No you're not bossy at all!!!

I really appreciate the advice!! I will check with my GP.

I think the problem is that I've had some people tell me I need to supplement the Pregnacare with the Folic acid because there's not enough.

I'll give the doc a call and post and let you all know.

But don't worry at all about being too bossy! I love you guys for your concern!

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Posted By: AlyAyde
Date Posted: 18 May 2005 at 10:57am
Whew!   

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Jayde 25/12/04

Alyssa 08/04/03

http://Alyayde.bebo.com


Posted By: Paws
Date Posted: 18 May 2005 at 11:40am
Hehehehe.....

Hey I rung the doctors office and spoke to a nurse and to be honest...she was kind of vauge!! Jesh....this is why I want a new GP!

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Posted By: Maya
Date Posted: 18 May 2005 at 12:48pm
My GP told me just to take the Pregnacare while ttc, because apparantly high intakes of Folic Acid for an extended period have been linked with breast cancer. Not proven yet, but there is some evidence. But the Pregnacare does contain enough folic acid, so I just stopped my usual multivit and started the Pregnacare one.

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Maya Grace (28/02/03)
(02/01/06)
The Gremlins:Sienna Marie & Mercedes Kailah (14/10/06)
Lil miss:Chiara Louise Chloe (09/07/08)
Her ladyship:Rosalia Sophie Anais (18/06/12)


Posted By: Paws
Date Posted: 18 May 2005 at 1:07pm
I went down and spoke to the Pharmacist and she said you can take up to 800mcg I think it is...so taking both I'm fine...all the same....I'm going to just stick with the Pregnacare just to be on the safe side.

Thanks everyone!

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Posted By: leigh
Date Posted: 01 June 2005 at 1:01am
hi there, definatly no how you feel been trying for number two for the last 2month. So frustrating when no1 was a superise with no thought at all. I two have days were i feel different and imagine things, but iv come to the conclusion dont think, talk and let it rule your life coz when you do it dont happen.


Posted By: Paws
Date Posted: 02 June 2005 at 10:44am
Well we're using ovulation detection kits now...got them cheap of trade me.

Oddly enough I'm feeling so much more relaxed now becuase I know my body is doing everything it should plus we know exactly at what time of the month everything counts....this may be weird but there is something more relaxing....weird I know.

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Posted By: newmum
Date Posted: 02 June 2005 at 11:18am
All I can say is good luck! I found it really easy to get into a habit of testing too often when we were trying, it gets kind of addictive .
I am pregnant now for the second time (had a m/c last year, but this one has gone perfectly so far thank goodness) and both times I got pregnant we had just decided to give up trying! Maybe there is some truth in the stressed out thing? Anyway, all the best, keep trying - at least it is fun

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Posted By: Paws
Date Posted: 03 June 2005 at 10:33am
Hehehehe I know what you mean....I've broken the habit of testing on the first day I'm due to see if I'm pregnant (or in some cases the day before!!!!).

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Posted By: gytsrik
Date Posted: 03 June 2005 at 3:41pm
I used a great website for getting pregnant (well, and my husband too ) called http://fertilityfriend.com - Fertility Friend

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Posted By: lizzle
Date Posted: 03 June 2005 at 11:05pm
What a cutie Kirsty!!


Posted By: gytsrik
Date Posted: 04 June 2005 at 11:15am
Originally posted by lizzle lizzle wrote:

What a cutie Kirsty!!
Thank you! It's so lovely to hear that when you are so proud of your little one!

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Posted By: Paws
Date Posted: 07 June 2005 at 3:19pm
I've had quite a few people recommend that site to me...at the moment I'm using ovulation kits...have found them very easy to use and a good supplier with reasonable prices! Will find out soon enough just how well they have worked!

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Posted By: newmum
Date Posted: 25 June 2005 at 3:38pm
Hi Paws!
I was just wondering how it was going!? Hope you are still hanging in there or maybe something has already happened? We got a call from friends of ours the other night that have been TTC for 2 years now and having just given up, found out that they were pregnant! Yay! Keep on trying!!


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Posted By: Paws
Date Posted: 29 June 2005 at 2:11pm
Well we didn't really "try" this month...we had a weekend away with a group from our church right around the time when I should be ovulating...so with the deed performed only on the Friday night and us either being exhuasted or sharing a house full of friends from church and a really bangy head board...it was not conducive to baby making this month...

Still you never know...only takes once right? *lol* I'm not expecting anything.

Back on track next month!

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Posted By: Roksana
Date Posted: 29 June 2005 at 2:22pm
I also noticed that, as soon as you give up...or stop focusing on it ...you conceive...happened to few of our friends.

Good luck for next month Paws!!! Sending baby dust your way!




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Posted By: nadine05
Date Posted: 02 July 2005 at 8:32pm
Just wondering if everyone was aware that you ovulate 14 days BEFORE your period. So in hindsight, you can get an idea of your fertile time for the coming months. eg of a 28 day cycle - ovulation day 14
but of a 32 day cycle you wouldnt have ovulated until day 18! Sometimes people get confused with the magic dat 14 thing and may miss the 'peak time'. You can confirm this by charting your cycle with temps and mucus obs. This also means that if you typically have long cycles - there is not point in preg testing until 14 days after ovulation
Wishing you all the best


Posted By: lou
Date Posted: 03 July 2005 at 7:34am
Not everyone has a Luteal phase 14 days, that is just the average lenght of most women.  The phase is the same lenght for a women each month.  Mine is 12 days

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Posted By: Maya
Date Posted: 03 July 2005 at 9:55am
Mine seems to change. Some months it is 12 days, others only 10.

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Maya Grace (28/02/03)
(02/01/06)
The Gremlins:Sienna Marie & Mercedes Kailah (14/10/06)
Lil miss:Chiara Louise Chloe (09/07/08)
Her ladyship:Rosalia Sophie Anais (18/06/12)


Posted By: lou
Date Posted: 03 July 2005 at 11:29am
Really?  It is supposed to be the same length.  I guess it depends if you get when you ovulate right or not.

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Mother to two beautiful children - Sophie age 6 and Ephraim age 4



Posted By: Maya
Date Posted: 03 July 2005 at 1:10pm
I do the BBT thing, I don't know why my LP differs? I do know that it is a little on the short side, but my OBGyn doesn't think that's a problem. He also told me that even when you are 100% accurate with your BBT temping you can still ovulate one or two days either side of the temp rise, so maybe that explains it.

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Maya Grace (28/02/03)
(02/01/06)
The Gremlins:Sienna Marie & Mercedes Kailah (14/10/06)
Lil miss:Chiara Louise Chloe (09/07/08)
Her ladyship:Rosalia Sophie Anais (18/06/12)


Posted By: lou
Date Posted: 04 July 2005 at 8:24am
maybe, I just like the fact I know exactly which day my period will start on

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Mother to two beautiful children - Sophie age 6 and Ephraim age 4



Posted By: newmum
Date Posted: 04 July 2005 at 11:35am
I have NEVER had a regular cycle!! When we tried I suppose we were lucky that it seemed to happen quite quickly because if we had had to start counting etc. it would have never worked! Everyone is different I suppose!!

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Posted By: lou
Date Posted: 04 July 2005 at 12:45pm
My cycle varries in lenght too from 27-34 days, but it's the first phase that varries in length not the luteal phase

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Mother to two beautiful children - Sophie age 6 and Ephraim age 4



Posted By: Maya
Date Posted: 04 July 2005 at 1:04pm
I guess I'm lucky that it's the 2nd part that varies here - it helps to know when I'm going to ovulate when we want to AVOID conceiving lol - otherwise Willie would be missing out a whole lot more! One my temp goes up we know we're pretty safe.

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Maya Grace (28/02/03)
(02/01/06)
The Gremlins:Sienna Marie & Mercedes Kailah (14/10/06)
Lil miss:Chiara Louise Chloe (09/07/08)
Her ladyship:Rosalia Sophie Anais (18/06/12)


Posted By: Paws
Date Posted: 04 July 2005 at 2:09pm
When I used the detection kits last month I ovulated right bang on day 14...we didn't test this month becuase we knew that we wouldn't be able to do anything when we had to seeing as we were away with a group from church...I'll see what happens next month when I start testing again....

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Posted By: tafs
Date Posted: 11 July 2005 at 12:52pm

Hi, I'm new to the site and I just wanted to say wow, I have learnt so much from reading all the awesome information you all share!

Thank you so much!



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