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Topic: TTC # 2 after fertility issues with # 1 Posted: 12 March 2012 at 9:39am |
Thought we'd start up a thread for those of us TTC # 2 after fertility struggles with # 1.
Just a bit about me, it took us nearly 2 years to conceive DD, we did 3 rounds of clomid unsuccessfully and then moved onto IUI, we conceived DD first round - yay!
DD's now nearly 16 months and we've not been using contraception for a year, no luck yet. She is still BF (four feeds a day) so I'm not even sure if I'm ovulating. AF came back in November just before she turned 1.
I'm using OPKs but haven't had the elusive 2 lines as yet. Tempted to go to FA to get monitoring to see if OVing but of course money is an issue!! I just find it so frustrating not knowing what is going on.
Anyway enough about me, hope to chat with some more of you in a similar situation soon
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Posted: 12 March 2012 at 10:37am |
Hey Frankie - thanks heaps for starting up this thread!
So, about me, it took us 18 months to conceive DD. After what felt like a million blood tests, ultraounds, an MRI, a scare where blood tests showed a possible brain tumour playing with my pituatary (sp?) I was finally diagnosed with a heart shaped uterus (which shouldn't impact on conception) and PCOS (but thankfully no tumour!). Due to DH's low sperm count and motility etc, and my PCOS we were advised that we would probably need IVF with ICSI.
Just two months later we got our surpise BFP , the week before we received our letter giving us the date for our first appointment with FA.
So we never ended up having to have fertility treatment but I hung out with clomid pill poppers who were great through all of the testing and waiting! I hope that we'll get a second miracle conception but fully expect that we'll need a little help.
We haven't been using any contraception since DD was born a year ago, got AF back about five months ago but like before, cycles are all over the place and suspect I'm probably not ovulating.
I'm also still BF (three feeds a day) but am going to work on dropping the middle of the day feed over the next month or so. I struggle with the decision to wean because I would really love to keep BFing for another six months at least but I know that with our history it needs to be done
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After 16 months TTC, surprise BFP July 10 DD1 Mar 11 After 9 months TTC, BFP on 4th Clomid cycle Feb 13 DD2 Oct 13
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Posted: 12 March 2012 at 10:37am |
Ooops, that ended up being a bit of a novel!
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After 16 months TTC, surprise BFP July 10 DD1 Mar 11 After 9 months TTC, BFP on 4th Clomid cycle Feb 13 DD2 Oct 13
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Posted: 12 March 2012 at 1:00pm |
The decision to wean or not is a hard one isn't it. My DD absolutely LOVES her milk and she won't drink anything else, not water, not even juice! so I'm a bit stuck until I can get her to drink water, as she needs some fluids! Although people tell me that if I wean her she will start to like water. I really want her to self wean but I'm not sure that will happen.
I also need to lose weight as considered medically obese which won't be helping my TTC efforts. I struggle with motivation as I am an emotional overeater - which I do more of when TTC or when I'm "trying to eat healthy". Catch 22!
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Posted: 12 March 2012 at 5:17pm |
i'll pop in and say a quick hi, but not time to post much today. i've been hanging on clomid thread for a (short) while as on 2nd month of trying that. DD number 1 is nearly 4 and no luck since AF arrived back when she was about 4 months old (BF until 18 mths tho). i'm not on the young side, and i'm running out of eggs prematurely and unexplained fertility issues for many years although did concieve DD naturally. so who knows if it will happen for me but i do consider myself lucky to have 1 miracle. that's why i like the idea of this thread as i really feel for those having trouble concieving number one and feel a bit bad talking about my struggles when at least i do have 1 child IYKWIM.
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Posted: 12 March 2012 at 6:01pm |
Hey Bugbug, yes I know what you mean, I know when I was initially posting in the Clomid thread that I didn't mind those who already had a child posting, but I imagine that some probably don't want to hear about our babies, even pregnancu and childs age tickers can be hurtful when you're at your lowest in the journey.
I forgot to say that I had/have? "unexplained" infertility. I find it really interesting that I got my BFP immediately after I had an HSG xray and on our first IUI - pretty sure that one of them was responsible for me finally falling pregnant.
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Posted: 12 March 2012 at 10:31pm |
Oooh... exciting Frankie & Ariel to see you on the journey again xx And good luck BugBug.
I've just been hanging out on OB a bit again - DD's are 5 & 1 yr now and age is a ticking... getting a feel whether we TTC another or just enjoy life with our two gorgeous girls
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Posted: 13 March 2012 at 8:37am |
I'm lucky frankie, that my DD will drink water and cows milk, but boy does she get grumpy in the middle of the day if I'm late giving her a BF - she will start climbing all over me and grabbing at my top! It did take a while for her to drink water, we just kept giving it to her during her meals and she gradually caught on.
hi bugbug, and yes, like frankie, I know what you mean. I must admit, I got rid of my child age ticker when I posted the other day in the CPP thread.
And hi Buttons. It's a hard decision to TTC when you've struggled in the past. DH and I recently agreed that we'll just keep trying to have children until I'm 40 (I'm 31 now), or earlier if we decide to stop sooner, but at the moment I'm finding it difficult to imagine spending the next 9 years constantly thinking about TTC (although HOPEFULLY there will be at least one more pregnancy in that time).
Frankie, I've heard that about HSG's before, people getting pregnant right after having them. I'm pretty sure an HSG was top of the list of procedures our public gynae was recommending to FA that we have.
It's funny that you say "had/have?" - I wonder the same about my PCOS - the only reason I ended up with that diagnosis is because I wasn't pregnant - I had some cysts, but not such huge ones that it was obviously PCOS, and none of my blood work showed up strong signs, so it kind of became my default diagnosis. But I figure if they let me keep the PCOS label then maybe I'll be able to get fertility treatment just a little sooner.
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Posted: 13 March 2012 at 10:14am |
Hey Buttons I can imagine like Ariel said that it's a hard decision to TTC for a 3rd when you had such trouble with 2. If you're anything like me I guess you're thinking "do I really want to put myself through that again".
Yeah that's the thing Ariel, I guess I'm not infertile because I managed to fall pregnant and carry a baby to term. I just have fertility issues I spose!
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Posted: 14 March 2012 at 2:11pm |
A friend told me she is pregnant today. Her daughter is seven months older than mine, and surprisingly, I actually felt really happy for her straight away and only a teensy bit sad for me. It helps that she's been really open with TTC so I kinda knew it was coming (she doesn't have too many issues conceiving although she has miscarried in the past).
But all the pregnancy announcements surrounding me lately have got me thinking about trying to keep busy, and I've decided I'm going to concentrate on losing weight. We have a wedding near the Great Barrier Reef (Aus) to go to in late September and I'd love to be able to wear a bikini while I'm there.
When I was TTC the last time the public gynae said I should be under 64kgs and for every 5% of my body weight I managed to lose I would increase my chances of getting pregnant, so I'm going to hang onto that. I'm currently about 72kgs I think so it's only 8kgs but given I'm terribly unfit at the moment I think it will be a little bit of a struggle. If only Abby was walking I could take her to park and run around - hopefully we have a late resurgence of summer once she does start walking and we'll be able to get out together a bit.
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Posted: 14 March 2012 at 8:08pm |
It is much easier to take the news of a friends pregnancy now that I have one of my own. I just feel envious more than anything nowadays. It still annoys me when someone falls pregnant by accident and the child is unwanted, it just seems so wrong!
Snap Ariel, I've been thinking just the same thing. I keep thinking about TTC all the time again and I really don't like being in that space again. Also here I am wasting money on OPK's and contemplating seeing FA again, when I should really just knuckle down and try to lose some weight first, which is free! I did lose a few kgs right before I conceived DD so it could well have been that which got my body working. Does your little girl like to go out in the pram, you could start walking with her perhaps as a means of exercise?
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Posted: 15 March 2012 at 11:03am |
Hi girls, nice to find this thread. Nice to see some familiar faces in here Frankie, Ariel, and Buttons (and not nice, IYKWIM - be nicer if nobody had to go through this twice), and good to 'meet' you bugbug. Quick rehash, I have PCOS which was annovulatory. It took a year of failed clomid cycles ('not responding, not ovulating') to be given ovarian diathermy (ovary drilling), the month after the surgery with low dose clomid, ovidrel, and progesterone we conceived DD. She was weaned at 10 months for health reasons which is a whole other story, but I got the surprise of my life when I actually got an AF, naturally, following her weaning. Because our specialist had said the best time for me to conceive a second would be directly after weaning we made an appointment right away with Repromed (having heard good things about them). Our new specialist put me on metformin, which has seen me since ovulate, ON MY OWN (!), every month. Unfortunately I still have a rubbish luteal phase of 7 days which is obviously not long enough. We did a clomid, ovidrel, progesterone cycle in February which resulted in a BFN, and have just had this cycle 'off' to regroup. Unfortunately this cycle has been super loopy, and I've had spotting every day since my AF ended, so my specialist has called me in for a review next week to figure out what's going on.
So know what you girls mean about thinking about TTC. I am based at the hospital one day a week and accidentally got off on the maternity floor the other day. Fraudian!
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Posted: 15 March 2012 at 8:32pm |
Hey Ceres
I went to my GP today (for a few things) and discussed TTC with her. She basically said until I wean DD there is probably no point in serious TTC as it's impossible to track things when you're feeding. I asked her about getting some bloods to check whether I'm OVing or not, she said she could but the results wouldn't mean anything, as I might ovulate one month but not the next, seeing the amount the baby feeds can vary on different days, therefore affecting OV. I kind of thought this was the case but it was good to get it confirmed.
So I'm gonna concentrate on weight loss for now. I plan to wean DD from day feeds at 18 months and have her completely weaned by 2. I'm just going to have to learn to be patient until then......!
Thank goodness I have my lovely little girl and if she is all I ever have, then I am still incredibly fortunate.
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Posted: 16 March 2012 at 10:41am |
Just lurking - saw a few familiar names and was having a little nosy I just wanted to say all the best for round two (or 3 lol), I hope you all get your another little miracle in your lives - and all your little ones are so gorgeous, I love seeing updates on FB Good luck guys
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Posted: 16 March 2012 at 11:10am |
thanks Kelly, hope your little brood is all good x
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Posted: 18 March 2012 at 9:11am |
Hi Kelly! Thanks for the luck! Love your pics on FB too, how incredible to have the two boys so close together. Is DS1 walking now?
Frankie, hopefully you manage to catch one of those ovulatory months. From what I understand losing weight definitely ups the chances of ovulation, so fingers crossed it doesn't take much. Are you going to use OPKs to try catch it or just take it as it comes? I can't believe your DD is only two months shy of 18 months. It has gone so fast.
I'm on CD1 today, which means I guess that if the specialist gives approval, we can do a day 5-9 clomid cycle this month. Not entirely sure what he's going to say though, given how this month has gone. From my pre-DD annovulatory days to a 21 day cycle with spotting every day. Still, will be good to hear what he has to say!
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Posted: 18 March 2012 at 4:19pm |
Hi ladies. This feels like old times! Which is good and bad, I guess. I don't quite fit the bill, but of course I'm lurking... and I'll be joining when we start trying for a third. Because Emily happened so soon after we had Jacob (one AF then bam), despite us thinking it would take longer with the troubles we had having him), I have no idea what to expect this time round.
I can completely relate to the idea of not wanting to 'start' TTCing because you don't want to open yourself up to all the pain you went through last time. That was one of the reasons I was determined not to use protection after Jacob was born - that way I could just see what happened without having to make a decision at some point to stop using it, which immediately puts the pressure on for something to happen. This time, though, DH has said he wants a bigger age gap (I'd be fine with another small one, but I guess it takes two ) so I'll have to do that at some point.
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Posted: 18 March 2012 at 5:03pm |
Yes I'm doing OPKs this month, I think I'll lay off them for a few months after this month as they're a bit expensive. Especially since I'm starting them on Day 10 and going through until AF starts, as cycle length has been erratic since AF returned.
Ceres, have you done any googling on what it might be? Seems strange huh.
Also, what do you guys think re coffee and it's effect on conception? When TTC # 1 I cut down, then switched to decaf, then read that was bad so cut it out altogether. I adore coffee and just don't wanna give it up, plus "needing" it takes on another meaning when you've got a baby I reckon!
He he Hopes I'm glad to hear you'll be back for round 3
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Posted: 19 March 2012 at 8:52pm |
hi all,
frankie, i've never been a coffee drinker so don't have that issue... but i do like the odd diet coke and so i sometimes cut it out for a week around ovulation - but i don't think there's much point doing it that way. I'd need to cut it out permanently to really help. but i figure i got pregnant first time around drinking a V every arvo and so it can't be worse than that - and i won't deny myself some pleasures when it probably won't make a fat bit of difference!
anyway my good news for today (as good a news as there can be on day 2 grrr - yep another wasted clomid cycle). anyway the good news - finally after 7 mths of waiting, i got my HSG tubes flush thing booked this month. it's on this thurs so i had to promise i wouldn't be bleeding by then, so i'm trying to bleed super fast - any tips to help! (actually i should be sweet by then i decided). And an extra good reason that it's a good month for my hsg, is that DP and I will be away from each other on day 13 till day 16 this month so it would be pointless paying for a clomid cycle, so i'm feeling kinda happy :)
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Posted: 19 March 2012 at 9:41pm |
Re coffee and its effect on conception, last time I cut down to one espresso a day and this time around I'm doing the same. No other caffeine in my diet (tea, chocolate, etc). I don't know that it would make a big difference unless you were a massive consumer but anything that can be done in our control to help and all..
Good luck with the HSG bugbug, I know Frankie is a fan of what they can do! Sorry, no idea how to bleed faster haha - perhaps stay upright for the week?!
Dr Google tells me a likely culprit might be ovarian cysts, Frankie. Which I guess would make sense given I have PCOS. I have a scan form to book in for imaging now, so figure I'll book in for later in the week after AF ends.
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