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    Posted: 25 June 2009 at 9:52am
Sorry if this is going to be long winded and a bit of a novel but i'm a bit confused with how i'm feeling.....

I had an emergency Csection because R had turned his head sideways and got stuck and they couldn't turn him as much as they tried with the vontuse and forcepts so off to theartre i went.

After i had him i was completly at peace with how my labour and his birth went, i thought it was fine and I still am happy with it, and would not hesitate in doing it all again in a heartbeat, at the end of the day i just wanted my baby here saftely and was prepared to do what ever it took.
but just recently when a couple of my friends have had babies and managed 'natural' births i have found myself feeling a bit envious that they could do it the 'right' way and i couldn't...sounds and it feels dumb i know because i really am happy with my whole experiance i had a great reasonably fast labour 1st niggle at 1:30am fully dilated and pushing by 11:30am on just gas but he was stuck. The midwife and specialist said it was not any fault of mine nothing to do with my body and they are 99% sure i could of had him naturally if his head was positioned right so it was all his fault lol (i dont hold it against him at all hahahaha)
i'm just confused and wondering why i am having these feelings?? when at the end of the day i really didn't care how he arrived i just wanted him here.....Is it normal???

another worry i have is that if i have to have another Csect (which the mw and spec gave me a good hope that because my body did everything right and that it was suppose to, as long as baby is in the right position next time that the chance of a VBAC is high) is the possibility that it will dictate how many children i can have without risks to me or any subsiquent babies.... and i want at least 3 lol

whoa sorry bout me novel just some pondering thoughts i have been having over that last few weeks and would love to know if anyone else had felt the same or similar or am i just a weirdo lol

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yep tottaly normal i still have thoses feelings now. J ames was born via emerg-c-section as my hips dont move so he never would of come out that way.
i have had a good talk with my mum and my bestie to get a overview of what it was relly like (morpin at the end has made my memori blurey)i would say talk to someone and big hugs
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You're not a weirdo. Or if you are, I am too! Seems it's quite common for these feelings to surface when you've had time to get a bit of space from the birth / get out of that newborn fuzz!

I actually had a long overdue meeting with my midwife yesterday (JJ is almost 1) to debrief / discuss what went wrong / what I can do to make it a more positive experience next time. While I didn't have a fast labour we had the same problem (asynclitic head) leading to an emergency c section at good old caesar's palace (NSH). What I said yesterday was that I'd love to be able to be happy when I hear others good birth stories but I find I just feel sad that I didn't get that.

My midwife told me not to blame myself, that the problem we had just happens and it was just bad luck, nothing we could do about it. In the "old days" we would have died in labour.

Whether you can go on to have heaps more babies depends on lots of things including the circumstances of the c sections and your age etc. My mum had 4 c sections so I'm personally not too worried about future problems!

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oh and I would thoroughly recommend going to see your midwife and talking through it, help you get some closure

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What you've described is definitely normal I reckon. I felt the same way initially. I felt jealous & envious of some of the girls in my coffee group who delivered vaginally (I really don't want to use "normally").

I felt like my body failed me as I was in labour for just over 40 hours & only managed to get to 8cm.

I would definitely recommend talking to someone about how you're feeling. On occassion I have tried to talk to DH but he's not particularly interested. I can't blame him as he really has no idea how it feels etc.

I feel better about it all now but I still worry about how this birth is going to turn out. Sometimes I think having an elective would be better so then I avoid the disappointment if I can't deliver "normally". But I'm going to try for a VBAC so at least I know I tried
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Oh so so normal!!

and have to say even though 2nd time was a VBAC I still feel that way because I had to have a forceps delivery and couldn't "do it" by myself then either.

Leah is nearly 3 and Joel nearly 1 and I always say to others that the birth is just 1 day and you have every other day to be a great mum but i don't listen to myself and still beat myself up about it, and some days i think about it all the time and other days not at all.

 


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i felt a bit like that.. totally a peace then not.. i was similar that I got to 9.5cm just his head was facing the wrong way and he went into distress so emergency c section....I did think how come I couldn't just do the last bit!! but mostly i was envious they still got skin to skin etc..whereas he was apgar three when he came out so first 5-10 mins were making sure he was ok..

I'm going elective c section next time because although there is no reason to assume it will happen that way next time he was in major distress and very unwell when he was born and I was just lucky he was ok in the end so I'm not risking it again.
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Livvy was a c-sect due to her heartrate suddenly shooting up and also had an apgar of 3 when delivered. She wasn't breathing and was taken directly to scbu for the night. I believe that the c-sect had probably saved her life but the more time that passed after her birth, the more I could think about it all and think of what I missed out on.

It's hard to describe, I don't feel like a failure, just really feel let down (and kind of cheated) that I didn't deliver naturally. To this day, I keep going over everything in my head ... should I have done this, why did they choose that, ... and I also worry that I've now limited my ability to have children. So yep, I think it's perfectly normal.

I know I am defnitely going to push for a VBAC for the next one. Even if we end up in another c-sect, I just really feel like I need to experience labour and pushing better than I did.
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My first was an elective c/s due to him being breech so a bit different, but I still wonder now if I could have birthed him naturally (I could have tried if I had really pushed for it but it would have been against medical advise).
However even though I had a VBAC with Kyle I still have issues with that. Like I had an epidural which wasn't part of my birth plan and then I ended up as vontouse after 2 hours of pushing and wonder if I could have pushed a bit longer and done it all by myself etc. I'm not sure that anyone would ever be 100% happy with any birth. I've heard lots of stories of women going into shock or feeling cheated after fast easy births. Maybe there is no perfect birth.

I know a lady who has had 4 babies by c/s so I don't think 3 kidlets would be an issue for you.

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My first was vaginally with ventouse (he was distressed) and then he was rushed off to NICU...oh and I had epidural early on as I couldnt cope with the gas.

Second was emergency c-section as his head was in the wrong place...I also had an epi but it wore off prior to transition (nice).

However.....I now think I "know" how to do it and kind of want a 3rd so I can "get it right"....so I think what you are feeling is totally normal.

and I have a cousin who had 3 by CS....and she is still a bit gutted by the fact.
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I agree with everyones posts about the way you feel "being normal".

I too had an emergency c after 27 hours of labour, 3 hours of pushing and NO drugs! Next time I just might have the epi early lol!! Lauren was coming down face first, and after 2 x failed ventouse they opted for the section. At that stage I was relieved as I was over the pain and pushing!

To this day I still hate admitting to people I had a c section and that I "failed" in my eyes. I often talk to DH about my c section as I think this is all part of my healing. He thinks I am just being silly, but every time I talk about it with him I feel just that little bit better about it all.

Huge hugs, I so know how you feel!

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Thanks heaps guys, I'm really glad i'm not the only one with these feelings...not that i want you all to have them but YKWIM lol
I have been talking to DH about it alot and he is super supportive and encouraging telling me what a fine job i did and i managed to get R here saftely in the end regardless of what way he came out, and he was and still is proud of me, he is a good DH and i'll keep him on for another week hehe I was also talkin gto my BF about it too and she pretty much said the same thingas DH said so its nice to have that support around me and to know that no-one else really cares or holds it against me for the way he arrived and that it's just my issues that i've started having.

weegee you definatly put it into perspective...a csection is definatly better than the what the outcome would of been in the óld days' and your mum having 4 csections is definatly reassuring

sallybelly hehe i know what ya mean about thinking of opting for an elective to avoid dissapointment.....i hope everything goes well for you this time and you get your VBAC if not just as long as baby arrives saftly is the main thing! (lol listen to me haha) i will look foward to hear about your new arrival

Leahandjoel I love the way you put this....... I always say to others that the birth is just 1 day and you have every other day to be a great mum .....its so true and i so understand how easy it is to say one thing but be hard on yourself for the same thing but i bet you are the fab mum

foureyes i can definatly see why you have made the choice to have an elective this time that must of been super scary for you, good luck for your pregnancy chick!

Amber funny you should say you feel cheated, thats exactly how i was explaining it to my BF today and that is how it feels for me, i am greatful that i did get to do pretty much the whole labour and pushing thing but yea just cheated i guess about missing out on the other part of the experiance, but at the same time SUPER greatful that my boy arrived safe and sound and that i wouldn't change for the world.

cuppatea that is definatly something to consider whether there is a perfect birth or whether every woman would of liked to do something differently.......ya never know

good luck for getting number 3 right nzpiper ' i can see how your cousin will be a bit gutted by her experiances.... i do wonder that if after number 2 if i have to have another cset if i will feel worse but i wont worry about that now lol i'll cross that bridge if it comes to it

peachy i'm glad that each time ya talk about it you feel a bit better, and i understand that feeling of 'failure' as such even tho i tell myself that i didn't fail he arrived happy and healthy in the end....it is a tricky one!

well after another novel lol i'm glad that i'm not the only one.....i do know that all that really matters is that he got here safe and sound in the end and a stranger in the street isn't gona look at me and know i have had a cset adn frown on me about it.....

Thanks heaps guys and sending you all big big *hugs* coz i know how you all feel hehe

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eeeeeek sorry that really was a novel!!!!

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its almost 3yrs since charli's birth and i still get upset about it...mostly when i see women 'giving birth' on tv or on youtube (i go on there occasionally to see what i missed ) i really don't know why i do it though as i get so upset and cry about what could've been. DH thinks i need to talk to a 'professional' about it

jack was elective c/s as he was breech, so i felt cheated then as i didn't even get to experience labour! i was told there was no reason why i couldn't have a vbac next time so i was sure i would. when i FINALLY went into labour with charli, it was all really easy. the pains were bearable and i was coping really well. after 5hrs in labour i started pushing. i was scared to at the start so i didn't put much effort into it and i now beat myself up about that. 2hrs of pushing, vonteuse and forceps and i was off to theatre for emergency c/s   charli was posterior and her head was flexed, her heartrate was all over the place so the best decision for her was made. i ended up with a large uterine tear and lost 3ltrs of blood, so because of that, i'm not allowed to birth vaginally if we have anymore babies.

i feel i failed myself again. i was so close and doing so well with it all. i didn't have any pain relief, no gas nothing. so i could've gone all the way, but charli had other ideas. sometimes i do feel it was her fault and wonder why she just couldn't put her head down or face the right way   but then i look at her and those feelings all disappear.

my mw was so awesome though! she was still trying to get charli out vaginally while i was in theatre lol 'push vanessa, push!' haha
she also called me a few times after i'd been discharged from her care just to see how i was dealing with the c/s because she knew how much i wanted the vbac

i know it's important that babies are born healthy and it's not about how they get here.....but it's still really hard to get these feelings out of your head.

i'm sure you'll be fine to have more kids. i had a relatively bad c/s and i'm still allowed to have more

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One of the main things that really upset me after Leah was born by cs was my SIL and Sister both saying to me and DH "what was the matter with Lisa, why couldn't she push the baby out like we did?" Then of course it just got stuck in my head that I had failed at something I was in theory built to do IYKWIM.

My MW at the time (wasn't that fussed on her!) said that any other babies I would have would have to be born by CS, (silly woman!) when I got pg with Joel, I found a different MW and the first thing I told her was not to assume i was having another CS and to be prepared to help me in any way possible to have a vaginal birth......so when it came down to forceps or another CS I chose forceps quite happily at the time. My MW had made sure that everyone involved at the birth knew that a CS was absolute last resort.

Was of course fine with this until others started going on about their 3 pushes and out baby popped as opposed to my 2.5 hrs of pushing, and their drug free births vs my gas and epidural etc.

My come back now is that I have the most laid back easy going baby who has slept through 13hrs since 9 weeks and eats whatever I give him and has only been sick once in 10 months.....they may have had the easy birth but I have it easier now!



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hehe Lisa i like your thinking!

thanks for the hope of being able to have more (even if by cset) jack & charli sorry you didn't get your VBAC with Charli! are there actual birthing videos on youtube?? i must crawl out of that rock i've been under lol i so didn't know that!! man i dont think i would want to be videoed giving birth let alone put it on there!!! lol

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I totally feel like this.

I am so jealous of the girls in my coffee group who rocked up at hospital 7 or 8 cms dilated and used nothing or gas to deliver vaginally.

I think I want a VB more than I did before now.. I want to get it right. Its because of this that I know I am not ready to get pg again.

Seems its perfectly normal.


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