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    Posted: 07 September 2009 at 9:42pm
Where can I get info on Steiner education? I have always been really interested in it but anytime I mention that I am I get the "what on earth for? Do you want your child to grow up with no rules, an outcast from society, etc..." speach.

What are your opinions on it and does anyone know exactly how they work?



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My brother and sisters went to Steiner school. It has a real emphasis on creativity and learning things that will be useful in life. Gardening, pottery, music and movement are some of the things they do daily.

They also have very small classes, and stay with the same teacher/class the whole time they attend. Students are treated with respect.
The philosophy behind the running of the school is really good, rarely would you get bullies etc

Here is some info on the Titirangi one.

http://www.eventfinder.co.nz/2008/jun/auckland-west/open-day-titirangi-rudolf-steiner-school

I think it is an awesome school, and plan on sending my son there for sure.

They hold an open day every term :)

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Ohh intriguing, ill be closely watching this thread. Are there any in Auckland?
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I know two people who started education in a Steiner school and then switched later to mainstream. They were both incredibly bright and well educated. One has a master's in Computer Engineering among other things and the other is a musical genius. So personally I think they must be onto something with the way they educate the kids.

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Originally posted by BuzzyBee BuzzyBee wrote:

Ohh intriguing, ill be closely watching this thread. Are there any in Auckland?


There is a primary school in Titirangi, and the high school equiv in Ellerslie.

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Thanks Kellie I will go to an open day there

Bobbie do you know why they switched??

If anyone has anything negative to say about the schools I'm interested too! I just want to see what different people say about them and if there are any stories of people who have been to one or have children attending one.

BuzzyBee all that I know are Titirangi and Michael Park which i think is in Ellerslie



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Something I thought was interesting was that they don't teach reading until 8 years or something.

Also you don't start full time school until you are 6

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The Wikipedia page is quite useful too, explains about the emphasis on the oral tradition and why they don't actively teach reading and writing til 7:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waldorf_Education

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Reading and literacy

Steiner-Waldorf education emphasizes the oral tradition, deferring the introduction of reading and writing until age 7. Todd Oppenheimer contrasted the Waldorf schools' approach to reading with early learning approaches:

Emphasis on the creative also guides the aspect of a Waldorf education that probably frightens parents more than any other: the relaxed way that children learn to read. Whereas students at more competitive schools are mastering texts in first grade, sometimes even in kindergarten, most Waldorf students aren't reading fully until the third grade. And if they're still struggling at that point, many Waldorf teachers don't worry. In combination with another Waldorf oddity -- sending children to first grade a year later than usual -- this means that students may not be reading until age nine or ten, several years after many of their peers. ...

It's no surprise, then, that Waldorf parents occasionally panic. Others may distrust Waldorf education because they have heard tales of parents who pulled their children out of a Waldorf school in the third grade when the kids still couldn't read. "That's like a standing joke," [one parent], the mother of two graduates of the Rudolf Steiner School, told [Oppenheimer]. "People say, 'Oh, can your kids read?' There was no concerted effort to drum certain words into the kids. And that was the point." Before teaching sound and word recognition, Waldorf teachers concentrate on exercises to build up a child's love of language. The technique seems to work, even in public schools. Barbara Warren, a teacher at John Morse, a public school near Sacramento, says that two years after Waldorf methods were introduced in her fourth-grade class of mostly minority children, the number of students who read at grade level doubled, rising from 45 to 85 percent. "I didn't start by making them read more," Warren says. "I started telling stories, and getting them to recite poetry that they learned by listening, not by reading. They became incredible listeners." Many Waldorf parents recall that their children were behind their friends in non-Waldorf schools but somehow caught up in the third or fourth grade, and then suddenly read with unusual fervor.


Child psychologist David Elkind, who examined the Waldorf schools focus on hands-on exploration and conceptualization in early childhood education, cites evidence that late readers ultimately fare better at reading and other subjects than early readers.

According to Lucy Calkins, a reading specialist at the Teachers College of Columbia University, in most public schools the students who start reading later tend to do worse. Calkins also says that Waldorf students might also benefit slightly if they started earlier, but stated that she "would not necessarily be worried in a Waldorf school....The foundation of literacy is talk and play."

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There's another one north of Auckland, ummm it used to be called something twee like Happy Rainbow school but they changed it...

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Found it, it's called Koru Grove and it's in Silverdale but I can't find a website sorry. That's all my serial posting done now, I don't have any first hand experience, was just doing an assignment on alternative education is all

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The Ellerslie one goes from Kindy right the way through to the end of High School. Both of the people I know went to that one.

I know one of them switched to mainstream because her mum was worried that she hadn't learned to read until 7 (I think it was) and so she was put into my primary school at 8. But seriously she never had a problem - you wouldn't have been able to tell at all.

The other I have no idea why they switched him. I knew him at uni but I never asked.

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This probably sounds like a funny question, but do they use "regular" teachers or do the teachers have to undergo some kind of special training? If so, what does that involve? Do the teachers still learn philosophical stuff like about reincarnation and karma and that?

I like the philosophies that the school has but don't necessarily agree with some of the belief systems that the schools were founded on.
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My long ago BF went to a Steiner School and she hated it. I recall she used to tell me after school had finished when she came round to my place how todays lesson was them dancing around the field being a fairy (and she was high school aged) lol.

At 16 she rebelled, got into drugs and got packed off to live with an Aunt in Australia. Luckily she settled into mainstream and now she is an upstanding member of society.

So its probably like any other form of education, it doesn't suit every person.

On a side note - Do WINZ pay for a private education too?
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DH went to steiner school in Lower Hutt, he was one of the first students to go through primary school there, they didn't have highschool at the time so he went to Hutt Memorial College afterwards.
His mum taught kindergarten which is for 5 year olds, they start teaching reading from 6-7 as that's when the childs brain is more receptive.
DH is a great reader so that hasn't had any impact on him.
Teachers are all trained as teachers and they do extra training in the rudolf steiner philosphy.
In Germany steiner schools are the norm.
I know DH learned all about the Jesus and the apostles in the form of social studies, not as a religious thing which I thought was quite neat and not something that would be taught in state schools.
If we had one near us I wouldn't hesitate to send our kids to steiner school.
The Evers-Swindell twins went to Steiner school.
The lower hutt school was initially pretty hippy I think as that was they type of parents that were interested in sending their kids their, Dh went to school with Anna Paquins older brother and she went to the school too.

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Lilfatty - I highly doubt that WINZ would pay for private education, I can't speak for other mums on DPB etc but I couldn't handle staying on the benefit and not working once L is at school - if I was to look at private education it'd be off my own back or only if i was in a financial situation to do so.

TBH I went to a private catholic school and it ruined me, I missed 2-3 years of primary school because of issues that stemmed from attending a prvt catholic school first off and having religion shoved down my throat - seriously the whole day, every activity revolved around jesus/god!

I was put into a little country school and absolutely loved it. I went on to miss a lot of time at Intermediatte and High School also due to bullying, behavioral, social and psychological issues. I truly believe that if I had of just been placed in mainstream education or any option OTHER THAN a religious school for starters, then I wouldn't have gone through life having the problems that i did.

My Father still helps out the Country school both my brother and I went to, and its been well over 5 years since any of us attended. Providing I'm still in Auckland when he's of school age, i'll most likely be sending my boy to that same school. I do however like reading up on concepts like Steiner & Montessori, makes for interesting reading I think.
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Hi, please think twice about sending your kids to private non-integrated schools, like the Titirangi Rudolf Steiner School.....it is a loophole in the law which means that your kids will not enjoy any protection under the Education Act. We found this out the hard way at the Titirangi Steiner school who threw out all our three kids because we had to keep complaining about the appalling bullying there. They did this with no notice, no discussion and no right of appeal.

Our now nine year old is severely traumatised by this and we are now home-educating three children unexpectedly!!! We can do that by struggling and changing our lives completely, but we can't undo the damage to our children's trust, and their self-esteem.

This school considers itself to be above the law, and in many ways it actually is! There is no shortage of other people whose children have been hurt by this school. We are researching that and beginning a public campaign to close this dangerous loophole.

Other Steiner schools, eg the Ellerslie one, are integrated and therefore enjoy protections under the Act but not so Titirangi who have fought against being integrated for years......

Why would a school need to do that?

Beware - our children are so precious.

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That is unfortunate fearnot. My family had a really great experience at the Titirangi school.

We were there over a span of 12 years as well and only left in the past 2 years.


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My ex-boyfriend went to a Rudolf Steiner school and had quite a bit of trouble when he wanted to enrol at University as they don't do Bursary exams, also to learn things like Caculus and Chemistry he had to find alternate ways to be taught as they weren't part of the Steiner curriculum. Other than that he did really enjoy the school, class sizes were really small and he said it felt more like a family environment than a school one.

It seems it would work great for some kids and not for others.

 
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I've found most of my information online - on the websites of the main schools - and I can highly recommend the book 'You are your child's first teacher' which is supported by Steiner principles.

I've heard good things about the Hastings (Taikura) school (which wouldn't help you sorry), and the Steiner kindergartens in particular - the family/home-like atmosphere is a good introduction to school life.

I like the fact that a teacher goes right through primary school with them, the emphasis on routines and festivals, empathy with others, the use of wooden toys and organic foods, and that it's really big on fostering the imagination and creativity. More here ...

In theory I would like Clara to go to Steiner for kindergarten and/or primary school, and then go to a mainstream high school so she can have every opportunity to excel academically ... I'm not sure how that would work in practice though, by the time she's ready for high school she'll probably have her own ideas!

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