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    Posted: 15 October 2009 at 3:10pm
Me and my Gynae *think* I have PCOS, but she is loathe to make a diagnosis proper until I have been for a scan... Our system here is sooo antiquated that even though I am going private, I can't get in for a scan till NOVEMBER 12th!!! That is a whopping 4 months, yes 4 months after my GP made the request for scan and 2 months since I saw the gynae, and she hurried it along... goodness knows how long the wait would hav been if she hadn't re- requested it!
Symptoms- painful and very very very heavy periods, painful ovulation that make me sick as well, missed 4 periods in a row, sore back, huge weight gain in short time frame, painful blind pimples on jaw, excess hair, especially chinny chin chins (ICK) and mooooody.
The only one of those I had pre children was painful ovulation. Am gutted the most abouthte hair thing cos I am very fair and have never had to worry if I missed a week or so shaving as my sparse blonde hairs weren't noticeable. NOT ANY MORE. GUTTED. Oh and the weight sucks arse too.

So, anyway, I can't be on the pill as it makes me LOOOOOPy, mad, insane and very very depressed and suicidal, so she is thinking a mirena (not having any more kids) however I have 2 big concerns that make me think I'm not sure.. those would be weight gain (I am lardy enough.. although I never gained on the pill - only after I finally stopped taking it, lol) and the moods, currently my moods are bloody terrible, and do not want to make them worse, as I am an absolute harridan as it is 2.5 ish weeks a month. My moods were, as i mentioned psychotic onthe pill, which is why I have been off it for 9 years or so.
To manage my moods I have just started taking 30 plus and after 2.5 weeks of taking it, I have to say I have really noticed a change this last week, and I like it...
So anyway. What I want to hear is your experience with PCOS and how you deal with it, treatments, side effects etc.

Thaks for sharing!
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i dont have PCOS luckily but I had to come on Annie and say please please please be careful before you have mirena inserted or IUD etc...esp when the pill made you "loopy"....reason is timely - my friend who committed suicide last week had IUD inserted and went completely nuts and was suicidal on it...that was when i was pregnant with you know who.....she immed had it removed once diagnosed but has never come right...that was 2.5 years ago!!! she killed herself last week....

mum had ovarian cancer and had radical hysterectomy at 28 after PCOS etc etc....are there possible options there for you and then hormone replacements from there? I do wonder why more women arent looking to hysterectomy or partials as an option when they can be done so easily now (eg the belly button method etc)...I dont know for fact if you dont having kids yet (has Miss C been good or bad this week? LOL!)..but may be a good option to conisder esp if 30 plus is working....the hair thing - sorry but mum still has to laser her chiny chin chin even now (shes nearly 60!)
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I am a suffer of PCOS and I hate everything you have mentioned. I have been told that other people don't notice the dark hairs (I just think they are just saying that thou). I hate having to pluck all the time but I have to put up with it till I my millions to get rid of it some other way. I am waxing my upper lip every 3 weeks and the other hairs all over my body are removed all the time. I really really hate it.

I have a mirena inand I love it, as for my my issue with PCOS was very very heavy bleeding. I have only had 1 real period since getting it in, in May. The only weight gain I have had is around my tummy and I am working on that.

The pill never worked for me (bleed consintly and loopy as well) and consider a mirena only if it will be paid for by insurance as it isn't something you want to waste money on only to have it in for a few months.

I was a puree feeder, forward facing, cot sleeping, pram pushing kind of Mum... and my kids survived!
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I had an IUD in that i just got taken out as we are TTC, i also have PCOS

i got the IUD put in when i was 17 before that i was depo (put on 20kgs on in 1year! ) and before that i was on the pill. my main problems were VERY heavy bleeding and also the pain.

depo was ok but the weight meant i had to come off it. i feel the IUD was the best thing that i could have got. it meant i could live my life without having 3-6days off when i got AF and the pain stopped!!!

i had no side effects from the IUD at all (only little bleeding the first couple of months i had it in)

the main thing is to look into all the side effects and understand what the pros and cons are. i was very lucky and had a great GP and also amazing gynaecologist
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Your post sounds like me!

I was on Estelle but got depression and IBS, it did control the acne and hair growth though.

Basically, I can't afford a Mirena which is what I really need so am just getting a normal IUD. It won't help the bleeding (have no idea what I'm going to be like - used to go a year without a period so might not be a biggy for me), and won't help the ov pain, but I have great painkillers for that.

I also take a herbal diuretic as I've found I get a lot of fluid retention due to my hormones being up the wop all the time.

Sorry not that helpful for you really!

Personally I wouldn't go for a hysterectomy as previously suggested, unless you're a lot older. My cousin had one at 27 (PCOS, endo being removed every few months and became infertile) and she is having constant issues with HRT. My aunty (a nurse - who has also had a hysterectomy) said that it's not something that should be considered unless you've got serious, serious issues. There are days however where I'd just love one to be able to live a close to normal life!
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I dont have PCOS but have heard spearmint tea is good in reducing the extra hair that PCOS can cause... Apparently a noticable reduction after a month...
I think it helps reduce testosterone (if you google PCOS spearmint tea hair it will come up with heaps of results..) which in turn reduces the hair
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I have PCOS wasnt diagnosed until I stopped taking the pill when TTC and my periods were 52-47 days apart and I had major weight gain as soon as I stopped taking the pill, didnt really have any other symptoms but I went to fertility associates who told me to loose weight, so I got lots of books out on PCOS and diet which are very interesting reading I then ended up having acupuncture from a guy that deals with womans issues and my periods went from 52 days apart to 35 and I fell pregnant! I dont want to go back on the pill as I feel its too fake and have noticed that although my periods are now about 32-40 days apart that they are coming regularly now the other thing im doing is weight watchers and exercise so inadvertantly (cant spell) doing the low GI food diet and eatting healthy like the books say ive lost 19.1kg and feel way better and in turn I am hoping that its helping my PCOS, I wont have another scan until I TTC again to see if I still have it or not, but there are other options out there to manage symptoms other than drugs, I would recommend diet changes and acupuncutre, has helped me
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Another thing I just remembered thanks to Kye saying about diet - I try not to eat high GI foods either.

Also, if you think your weight gain might be due to insulin resistance (common in PCOS ladies), try taking a shot of apple cider vinegar before lunch and dinner. It tastes horrible but I really noticed a difference in my sugar highs and lows and it helps you lose weight if you're tying, because your body starts working with you again.

www.soulcysters.com is great for tips and tricks to deal with it all.
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Thanks, some great tips, I will get some apple cider vinegar tomorrow, Emz, i notice big time the highs and lows with blood sugars, so wouldn't be surprised if bloods come back with diabetes or whatever. Gynae said the metaformin may help with weight loss.

Thanks Ro, that is my main concern, I know what I am like in the pill, attempted suicide once before and had no idea that the pill was making my depression so bad, I saw a different Dr to my usual one at that time and he pointed it out to me and i have never had it tht bad since I came off the HCP.

I had wondered about having a hysterectomy, I am well finished having children, and am almost 35, so I don't think that will be an issue. The concern for me is the hormone replacement and the higher cancer incidence, however I think you get that with PCOS anyway, we have the dud cancer gene in family, so I'm fairly wary about that.

Oh and the fluid retention. 2 out of 4 weeks my wedding rings almost castrate my fingers but the other two weeks fit fine, no point getting them bigger then they come off. Will head into the health food shop at tweekend and look at diuretics nd the tea. Hair isn't too bad on face, its under my chin and ive some moles under there and



Oh and legs and bikini line. never ever had to worry about those.

She did say she can "cook" the lining on my uterus to stem the bleeding, siad it may stop it totally for a while, so...*shrugs*

Man it sucks being a woman
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It certainly does!

Hmm I'm going to try some of that spearmint tea. I never had too much problem with facial hair or extreme regrowth around the bikini area so I'll give anything a shot!
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I suffer from PCOS and I can honestly say that for me, 2 cups of spearmint tea a day definitely reduced my facial hair. I'm not taking it at the moment as my MS has made me very selective with what I can and cannot eat.

I choose low GI foods and use xylitol in my tea and baking. Xylitol is a natural sugar substitute made from corn husk. It does not effect your blood sugar and has 40% less calories than sugar. I also add a splash of cider vinegar to my stir frys.

I also have a specialist acupuncturist/Chinese herbalist I go to. She has treated me for both PCOS and infertility. For the first 2 months, she worked on flushing out the old blood – something which I think sounds like you could benefit from too.

I will most certainly never go back on the pill. I plan to use charting as my form of contraception. I am very proud to be drug free (I won't even pop a panadol!).

Something that I thought of whilst reading your post, has you GYN ruled out Endo? Personally I think your symptoms sound like you could have a combination of PCOS and endo.    
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I charted for 9 years, lol and my gynae couldn't believe that I only had two children, lol! I said the painful ovulation made it very easy in the beginning before i knew what I was doing.

I did wonder about endo, a couple of other sypmtoms I have made me wonder... I guess we will know more after scan. Am going to give that tea a go for sure, too ]\
Been tested for menopause and its not that, although I will need to get re tested in a few months, but she is cionfidant its not that.

I don't have sugar in tea, but am planning on switching to something for baking, so will give that a go.

Ick. I hate this!!!
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Wow I'm so glad you started this post. I suffer from PCOS as well and have all symptoms as described. It's great to hear other peoples advice and treatments. I'm totally going to try out the spearmint tea!


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It's not easy to come by, but the brand I use is called Planet Organic. I buy mine from Huckleberry Farms. From memory, it's about $4.50 for a box of 25 teabags. I think you might be able to buy it off the net, too.
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Thanks Treen It would be great to get the beard under control (OK it's not even anywhere near that bad, a couple of stray hairs lol but it makes you feel like a werewolf )

You could have endo too but there are heaps of other things as well, and endo can't be picked up unless they do a biopsy (some say they can pick it up on scans, but it's not reliable).

There's heaps of other things, like only the beginning stages of endo (like I have - nothing to do anything about) can cause that much pain without it being bad enough to do anything about, irritable uterus, prostratic glandular uterine contractions (mild to severe - I have had a few severe attacks, seriously as painful as being in labour, but the mild ones can just be crampy: basically blood supply gets cut off - you can get drugs to treat it).

Unfortunately its one of those things, they don't know until they explore. Do you have medical insurance? If so, I'd be pushing for a hysteroscopy/laproscopy once you've had your scan to figure out what the heck is going on down there.
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We don't have medical insurance, but should be able to cover some of the costs on our own, depending on how high they get. The waiting lists for gynae surgery here are about 6 months ish public so thats not too bad. Not sure about exporatory though, will find out.

Thanks for all your support and advice, I really appreciate it.
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It's not an easy thing to go through, I hope you get some answers from the scan
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*update* Well, had a scan today (ick, internal) and the guy said its PCOS, although he was doubtful before hand, cos I had said about the ov pains and he said, oh, it won't be PCOS cos you don't OV with it.... I guess thats why he's not a Dr, eh? anyway, he was really lovely (although the suck part was is he's my age, and I know his wife, so it felt well dodgy...)
So anyway he confirmed what we thought and now I see my gynae on tuesday for the whole where to from here chat.
Have decided absolutely not having mirena, so we will see. I'm picking I will have some kind of insulin resistance (and secretly hoping the metaformin helps me lose some lard) I know there will be some big lifestyle changes, but have decided the whole family will be doing that with me.
My swellign up got so bad I had to get them to cut my rings off at work the other day ;( won't get them resized and fixed for a while till things stabilize a bit. Have taken to werign my Dads wedding ring on my ring finger so people don't think we have split (considering other stresses it would be a possibility, lol)
So, there you have it!
Thanks for all your support guys, it really means alot!
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Glad you have a diagnosis

WTF about not ovulating with PCOS? You can too, it just turns into a follicle that's all.

Sucky about the rings (and about the other stresses). Keep us posted, I hope things start coming right for you, it's not an easy thing to get used to aye hun?
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Thanks heaps!

Yeah its a bit of a head spin and today has been sooo super stressfull enough., Mind you, I am super glad it isn't anything more sinister, which was my big fear! Am hanging for tuesday now, just want to get on with things, get some plan in place. And get my rings back on!!!!

And lucky my internal dialogue was just that when he was saying obout ovulation - I was thinking what in the hell would YOU know, lol.

This thread may be my bit of sanity for a bit...
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