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busymum
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Topic: Medical students and deliveries Posted: 30 September 2007 at 7:54pm |
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meow
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Posted: 30 September 2007 at 7:57pm |
That's a tricky one. I wouldn't have wanted anyone else there at the time, but I can see where they are coming from.
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Posted: 30 September 2007 at 8:05pm |
That is really sad they are not getting the training they need. If the simulator vaginas I used at my smear takers course are what they are having to practice on then that is outragous as those things are so far from the female anatomy its scary. I was lucky enougt to attedn 2births and 1 c-sect during my training. My own mw picked my ladies and asked their premission and waws given the ok both times. I think it comes down to asking approprite families, I mean you wouldnt go and ask a 1st time mum or someone with previous bad experience.
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Posted: 30 September 2007 at 8:07pm |
I can also see where they are coming from.. Having been on the other side as a nursing student and having been placed on maternity placement.. sitting for weeks in maternity only to have everyone decline to have another person there. Which is fine as for Paris, I would have probably said no had i been asked. With Ayja, I knew that my colleagues were due to have placements in the delivery suite around when she was due, however she came early and was born in the 1 week between the finish of 1 set of placements and the start of another (wooohoo!) my reason behind not saying yes in that situation, had it arisen.. would have been that i knew them as colleagues and not friends at that point since i had only just joined their group. looking back i would have probably been ok with the person who asked if they could follow.. had she asked at the right time.
I mean really, when it comes down to it.. these are the people who are going to take over from the experts when the experts are old and haggardy.. so yeah, say no now.. but when you're on your 4 th kid.. they might just be the ones fumbling their way through if anything goes wrong.
lol, and lets face it, who really cares who's in the room when it gets down tot he nitty gritty.. by that stage all you want is that baby outta you!
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Posted: 30 September 2007 at 8:11pm |
oops sorry for mistakes I cant be jackd going back to edit them.
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Posted: 30 September 2007 at 8:12pm |
I don't think they midwives are even asking because I so would of said yes for one with Caprece since I had such a straight forward labour with Jack. I wanted a student there because I would really love to be a midwife one day and know they need experience, but my midwife never asked.
I had a student do the guthries test on her tho which i thought was great. the students are trying so hard to get it right so they actually explain things properly.
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Posted: 30 September 2007 at 8:14pm |
speaking of students i just remembered i have one trailing me for the next 6 weeks starting tomorrow!
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Posted: 30 September 2007 at 8:33pm |
I didn't want anyone with my first baby - I think that's fair enough for anyone who wants "just family" etc. But then cause that went to custard I was a bit anxious about having a student for #2 as well. I'd have one now, but it certainly helps to have it explained in this way too. I think I *might* be alright with a male student now too (only now though) so long as I knew exactly what his role would be and had met him before making my decision (and not in his presence either).
There's a big difference from having a "(curious) student" in the delivery room from having a "future gynae" there... IYGWIM? So perhaps mws should be wording things a little different - not with pressure though.
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Posted: 30 September 2007 at 8:48pm |
there are teaching hospitals so why would they need to attend births at birthing centres.
I have never said no to a student cause they have to learn somehow but i wouldnt expect it at a birthing centre.
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Posted: 30 September 2007 at 9:09pm |
When I was in the ward (still pregnant) with Andrew I had a Massey student that was trailing the MW that was looking after me. I was happy for her to do the odd thing but there was a few things that I just didn't feel comfortable her doing. In the delivery of Andrew I made sure there were no students at all - I just didn't want them there.
When it came to having Josh I was happy for there to be students but there weren't any there so I didn't have one there.
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Posted: 30 September 2007 at 9:13pm |
I had a student DR come to a m/w appointment with Char, but none were around with the birth. I would have been ok with it second time round, not first, though.
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Posted: 01 October 2007 at 6:43am |
I think I had said yes when my m/w asked if I'd be OK with a student midwife attending, even though it didn't end up that way - don't know about a male student though? I suppose they have to get that training somehow.
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Posted: 01 October 2007 at 7:40am |
I've said yes whenever I've been asked about having a student observe... would have said no if asked when delivering Kiya, but I have straight-forward births (my midwife with Kiya said afterwards she wished she'd recorded it as an example!) so would have no problems with students observing in the future. Wouldn't have a male observing me birth though, as that would make Nat uncomfortable - it is something we've discussed.
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Posted: 01 October 2007 at 7:47am |
When I had Brooke 12 years ago they insisted that a student was present in the delivery room and stated that as National Womens was a teaching hospital that was just how it was done. Even though the handouts given to me outlined my rights, including the right to not have a student present, they wouldn't give me pain relief until I agreed to it and allowed the student to do an examination. The distressing part was that I was throwing up everywhere and clearly didn't want any additional 'handling'. The whole thing completely put me off and I was insistent when I had Caleb that there was to be no student involvement whatsoever for this birth or any others. If they'd have handled it differently way back then I probably wouldn't have such a bee in my bonnet about it now. Thinking back now I wonder what they were thinking, first time Mum, chucking up everywhere, having a prem baby, delaying pain relief and insisting on having a student getting as involved as possible so that everything had to be done twice (once by the student and once by the midwife).
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Posted: 01 October 2007 at 7:49am |
I said yes to a student observing my first birth with DD, but nothing ever eventuated from it (it was a general 'yes to the idea' on a form my midwife got me to fill out at the booking in). I figure these are the people who may deliver my other babies in the future - or DD's babies. I don't have a problem whether they are female or male (I don't have a problem with a male GP) but never thought to ask whether it would be an issue for DH - will have to talk to him about that as I could understand him being uncomfortable.
The best postnatal care I had on the hospital ward was from student midwives, they were awesome. They have to get experience somehow, and at the hospital there were so many different staff midwives and residents coming in and out over the course of the long induction, I really don't think I would have noticed another extra there. Plus, an extra set of hands could always be good!
I'd definitely want it to be observation only though, and maybe some hands on stuff after the baby was born (weighing etc) but wouldn't be happy for a student to do any 'care' stuff during the birth. That's why I took such care choosing a midwife with lots of experience, so that I could be confident in her handling anything during the birth.
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Posted: 01 October 2007 at 9:01am |
i had a student at james brith and she was great she was with my midwife for four weeks and was in her last year of midwifey and had done 4 or 5 briths before hand i didnt mind at all and it was a good a lreaning creve for her as my brith didnt go right. vicki did most of the checks and montering during my loubor with my midwife and also did the after care aswell with my midwife the way i see it is now eles are they spose to lrean
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Posted: 01 October 2007 at 9:38am |
I dont think I would want one for our first birth. Mainly because everything is so new and scary anyway that having another person in the room would prob just freak me out even more. I dont know though - I am very "pro" students being involved and getting their experience somehow, and I think that so long as they werent too "eager" (IYKWIM) then I would be fine in the future.
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Posted: 01 October 2007 at 12:31pm |
I had a student at my c/s and I wasn't even asked, I wouldn't have minded. It was however a bit off putting when I could hear the surgeon telling her "don't pull on that", "don't put your fingers there" etc. Would have been a lot happier if they had told (or better still asked) me before hand. I wouldn't have a problem with a male student, I was at the hospital from 35 weeks until I had him at 38 weeks and about a million different people male and female checked my cervix so quite frankly by the end of it I didn't give a crap who came and had a look!!!
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Posted: 01 October 2007 at 1:30pm |
I would have had a male student at Hannah's birth. I guess having been on the other side, and having had students with me at work in the past, I see how important it is for students to actually be involved. So many of our health degrees are so theoretical now,and they have very limited hands on practice and it really is the only way to learn. I know I came out of uni into my first job and although I had a great theoretical knowledge etc, I had no idea how I was supposed to get someone out of bed!
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Posted: 01 October 2007 at 2:12pm |
I had a student m/w during my pregnancy with Maya, she was supposed to be at the birth as well but she didn't turn up and my m/w was pissed as heck about it coz she reckoned the student was only turning up to deliveries when it suited her and not to ones like mine which started at 11pm. Had she turned up she would have been at the birth.
I never had one with the gremlins, I don't think my m/w would have allowed it coz of the twin thing, but when I was in hospital antenatally when they threatened to come early my OB came to see me with a whole team of students who all got to have a poke and a prod of my babies. I didn't really get a choice about that but if I'd been uncomfortable about it I would have said something. It's just not something that bothers me particularly, people have to learn somewhere.
What I want to know tho is why are so many OB's male? What would give a guy motivation to become an OB and spend half his life with his head/hands up womens jacksies?
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