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Posted: 29 January 2008 at 2:43pm |
There has to be more to than we've been told!
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mummy_becks
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Posted: 29 January 2008 at 2:57pm |
Siily bill. I am going to be glad if it goes to a referendam(sp?)
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Posted: 29 January 2008 at 3:00pm |
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This story just gets weirder and weirder! I'm with you Gen, there's got to be more than what is being printed in the papers.
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Posted: 29 January 2008 at 6:10pm |
It makes me so nervous now 
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Posted: 29 January 2008 at 6:41pm |
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there are papers you can sign for the referendum, you can download them yourselves and sign them and then post them off, :) i downloaded some yesterday
at www.stoptheabuse.org.nz and scroll down the page till you find the forms.
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Posted: 29 January 2008 at 7:09pm |
oh my the police are trying to save face i mean relly now after he complans he gets charged 
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Posted: 29 January 2008 at 7:49pm |
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Maybe he should be charged.
Was ear flicking really necessary?
I think the 'punishments' (freak, what are they called? mind blank!) have been well suited to the crime thus far - ordered to attend a parenting course etc.
I still believe the bill was the right thing to do.
And also believe that the questions they are proposing to put in the referendum are contradicting each other!
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Posted: 29 January 2008 at 11:43pm |
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I would say theres ALOT more going on than what is being said- makes a better news story if it looks like he's a totally innocent father being persecuted by the big bad police for merely looking out for his children. In his interview just the way he said a few things made me think there was more to the situation.
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Posted: 30 January 2008 at 6:45am |
 Jennz wrote:
I would say theres ALOT more going on than what is being said- makes a better news story if it looks like he's a totally innocent father being persecuted by the big bad police for merely looking out for his children. In his interview just the way he said a few things made me think there was more to the situation. |
I agree...and the reports refer to the charges coming about after speaking to witnesses...multiple...I'm really starting to think it was more than a simple ear flick...I would be highly surprised if the he got charged for that...
And if it was more than a simple ear flick...then I'm with Nikki..
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Posted: 30 January 2008 at 4:52pm |
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i think there must have been alot more to the story than there letting on, if he was close enough to flick his ear i dont see why he couldnt have just grabed hold of the kids shirt! that would have stopped him riding onto the road.
i think the bill is way OTT if they want to address the child abuse progblem in this country they should introduse harsher punishments for criminals where life actually means life in jail not 7yrs thats rediculas perhaps if people actually feared the conciquences theyd think again about doing things such as abusing children and robbing and killing people.
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Posted: 30 January 2008 at 4:56pm |
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they said lastnight he was being held on 2 counts of abuse(or whatever) so there has to be something bad that isnt being told.
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Posted: 30 January 2008 at 9:29pm |
catrad wrote:
they said lastnight he was being held on 2 counts of abuse(or whatever) so there has to be something bad that isnt being told. |
Yeah...there has to be more to it then.
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Posted: 04 February 2008 at 2:50pm |
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the debate over this whole thing is very frustrating.
I look at it this way:
If you, say, jokingly slap your partner (or maybe not jokingly) you're not necessarily gonna be charged or arrested. If you play fighting, you're not gonna get arrested. You know when you hit someone of the arm about something...you're not gonna get arrested. If you're physically restraining someone from a fight you don't get in trouble. But if you punch someone in the face, or any type of physical stuff that isn't in fun or anything, you will get in trouble. So you should, right?
Its the same with kids. If you're grabbing them to stop them running onto the road, that's fine. No-ones gonna charge you for that. If you're pulling two kids apart from fighting with each other, you're not gonna get charged. But if you hit a child, you will get charged. And so you should. If you can't discipline your children without using viloence, thats a very sad thing. Who would flick the ears of their kids anyway? If your doing it for fun, like playfighting, and the kid's laughing, no police man is gonna charge ya. But if you flick your kids ear, or smack them, or shove them, and it's for "discipline" (more likely coz you the adult are angry) then someone should stick up for the kid.
I know I would.
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Posted: 05 February 2008 at 12:07am |
I agree! Well said 
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Posted: 12 February 2008 at 12:16pm |
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Abusing a child is not a good thing.
But also you have to look at it from a different way-are we taking authority away from parents to discipline there kids, I mean now adays you tell the kid something and they turn around and say no, because if you touch me i will have you charged with abuse or sue you. I am not for physically abusing children, but there has to be a balance, were a slap on the wrist is not going to have your child screaming abuse and leaving the parent powerless and raise a child that has no respect for anyone as they feel they are untouchable
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Posted: 12 February 2008 at 12:21pm |
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I aggree more with that alexbabe.
Parents today have no power.. We see the tagging getting worse, younger and younger children doing worse and worse crimes, youths running the streets beating people because the felt like it.. hmm, normal? What do they get at home? words, empty words. the kids just dont care!
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Posted: 12 February 2008 at 9:08pm |
almostthere wrote:
I aggree more with that alexbabe.
Parents today have no power.. We see the tagging getting worse, younger and younger children doing worse and worse crimes, youths running the streets beating people because the felt like it.. hmm, normal? What do they get at home? words, empty words. the kids just dont care! |
I hardly think that you can be sure that the kids who are tagging are just getting words at home! If I'm going to make generalisations (as your statement was) then I'd probably say kids who tag are more likely to be from lower socio-economic homes. Lower socio-economic homes are more likely to use physical discipline on their kids. Therefore kids who get smacked are more likely to tag.
Ya see how that works?
I don't suppose that is true without the correct research, but to say that using non-physical discipline will result in more tagging (and associated crime) is a HUGE generalisation and one that is most definitely unproven.
I would argue that using non-physical discipline means that a parent needs to be more in touch with their children and command more respect with words, creating a closer relationship with their children and therefore *hopefully* their kids wouldn't get involved in tagging and associated crime. Again, unproven... but still a good possibility.
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Posted: 12 February 2008 at 9:10pm |
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P.S. I think the figures for crime rates are actually DOWN. But reporting is UP. I shall have to research that to get the correct stats though.
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