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    Posted: 09 February 2010 at 1:39pm
Tom is getting close to being accepted into our local Kindy ( a friend who is 3 weeks older has just started and they are going by age). He currently does a a full day and 2 half days at daycare ( I work 2 half days...soon will be 3) so will still need the daycare as they are not kindy times.

I'm just wondering if there is anything to gain from him going to Kindy for those few afternoons or not. Part of me thinks he'd be better off at home as he has enough "care" with his daycare and he's only little for such a short time I want to make the most of it...but I just want to make sure he is not going to miss out on some amazing experience.

I dont know much about kindy.

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wow, lots of opinions here
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My opinion then

I would just keep him at home, if he will still be goingto DC and you don't "need" him to go to Kindy then I wouldn't bother.

The only thing I have heard is that kindy does a better transition to school but worth asking the kindy and your DC what they do for transition as you may find its the same anyway.

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OK .. I thought some more knowledgeable kindy Mums would help out.

From what I can gather from a conversation I had with SD after he did a practicum at a kindy (he usually works in a daycare environment) is that its pretty much the same, but kindys have bigger child vs teacher ratios and they seem to be stricter in what the children "cant get away with" for example they have set times for when things are done, whereas at daycare they can flit from activity to activity as the child pleases. However I would think that this may differ from kindy to kindy?

He did mention that he wouldnt want our children to go to a kindy and that the kids dont seem to be as nutured as in a daycare environment (for example he said that children that were hurt were not allowed to be picked up and cuddled in that particular kindy ... I was like WTF?)

So .. I personally wouldnt change my childs routine, I dont think they need to go to kindy, our dc transitions kids into primary school, they even take them to visit etc, so I dont think mine will miss out on anything.

The only thing I could think of is that at kindy they will get to interact with kiddies from varying cultures and socio economic backgrounds, with our dc it tends just to be upper middle class kids.

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Thanks Peanut. Thats pretty much what I am thinking.   His daycare does a good transition to school ( I think..I dont know what makes it good) but school is still 2.5 years away so I am not concerned. He's a bright spark so he will be well and truly ready for school by then.

I was thinking last night that Kindy would be a pain for James' sleeps. You have to weigh up the pros and cons for each child and I think that James would suffer from lack of decent sleep on those days more than Tom would suffer from not going.

I just wanted to know if there was anything different about kindy that I should be aware of before I decide.

Tom is thriving in his daycare and they know what he is into and really work with him on that.
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I have a similar sort of question so have been lurking to see what the responses would be!

In your situation, I would keep him home too. From what I can gather after looking at a few, they seem very similar except with worse teacher ratios, and shorter sessions of course. (Jakes daycare doesn't do half days).

I think the transition to school programme they do at Jakes daycare would be just as good as kindy, and he will be able to keep napping in the arvo as long as he likes (although I'm considering the local private kindy as it does morning sessions for 3 yr olds).
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Lilfatty, our daycare has a pretty good cross section of socioeconomics (well as much as you get in cromwell). Its the older daycare, not the flash new one...and I think its the friendlier one.

Yeah, from what I have seen Kindy seems to run a bit like school except for younger ones...so a lot of structure which I think we have plenty of time for. He's a bright kid so I think he'll adapt easily when need be.

I guess, I was just wondering because in my day kindy was pretty much what everyone did, but these days there are more options.

Tom does enough things...I think he is getting enough.   

I wonder if kindy would be good when you are a full time SAHM and the kids arent in any other childcare but when they are already in daycare it seems to be doubling up.
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Originally posted by nzpiper nzpiper wrote:

I wonder if kindy would be good when you are a full time SAHM and the kids arent in any other childcare but when they are already in daycare it seems to be doubling up.


yep exactly... why double up!

I have never heard of a structured kindy. They are all based on learning through play, it is the kindy philosophy. They do have a mat time which is compulsory - but that is pretty much the only thing that is.

I love my kindy and the teachers and think it has been a fabulous resource for me as a mum. But if you are already happily using a daycare then why change.   

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oh and generally they prefer if your child attends the whole week rather than just a day or two.

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I can't comment as I've never used a daycare. Alia was in homebased so even though they had a prep for school thing that they did, I put her in kindy so she'd get used the bigger social aspect of it.

Only thing I would check is to see that his friends are transistioning to the same school he is. Kindy's usually have one or two going to the same school & some from the prior year already at the school so there is familiar faces there.
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Kel, thats is the MAIN reason I am even considering Kindy. All his coffee group mates are 6 months or more older so when it comes to the start of school year in 2012 Tom will be the only one not at school until August! But two of his little friends who are the same age will be going to kindy and I thought it would be nice to keep the boys together....but I think I can just re-evaluate that at the time and in the meantime we'll keep getting the "boys" together for play.

There are only 2 primary schools in Cromwell so lots of his daycare will be going to the same school.

I cant believe we are discussing schools already....but if I was in a big city I guess I'd almost have them enrolled by now
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Check with the school, chances are he might be going into the same class as them & they will help him out.

I didn't enrol Alia til the October before she started school
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i guess it all depends as you said if you weigh it up for both kids it sounds like you are better off just at DC.. lots of people view kindy though as a stepping stone to school..)and they should certainly still be sympathetic if a child hurts themselves:( ) because otherwise kids go from a smaller ratio to suddenly being one in a class of 30 and find it harder.. but then often school fills up slowly depends on when they were born etc..

for us I think we will probably do both but i will re evaluate it when it gets closer to the time.. as by then Liam will need factored into it all and as you say it might not work out.. kindy is better as they are with all the same aged children and both kindy and daycare have advantages and disadvantages...
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thats something I hadnt thought of KA, that he'd be with a HEAP of 2.5 -3yr olds!! Ah, well, still heaps of time. Dont think it is really to make a bad decision with your kids...we just like to worry unnecessarily dont we?
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Kindergartens and daycare do offer many of the same things (I have worked in both). The main differences usually is that in Kindergartens all the teachers have to be fully trained (can be in training in daycares) and are also registered or working towards it (even more work and study!!!!). The ratios are usually higher but many Kindergartens are dropping their ratios to 1:10 which is more similar to DC. The other postive to me for kindergarten is the age groups being together (younger in pm, older in am). Having worked in both I would pick kindergarten but I have had a couple of bad DC experiences. Really it is up to you and if Tom is happy it makes you wonder whether to change. Can you leave him in DC for now and look at morning kindergarten when the time comes? We have some do this and then they are getting a little more of the structure before moving onto school.
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Yes Sonia, thats what I think I will look at. He needs to be in daycare because those are my working hours. He doesnt NEED to be in kindy those afternoons and I think I'd rather have him at home with me....as I said, they are little for such a short time I want to make the most of it.....he he he....there are days when I disagree with this comment though
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Originally posted by Bizzy Bizzy wrote:


I have never heard of a structured kindy. They are all based on learning through play, it is the kindy philosophy. They do have a mat time which is compulsory - but that is pretty much the only thing that is. 
  

This has been my experience with kindy too L has been going to our local (rural) kindy for a year now, they can start at 2 but it depends on the waiting list, he was a few months off 3 when he started in afternoon sessions.  He will be 4 in April and has just started mornings, mon tues thurs 9.45-12.45.  They have weds and fri sessions which go from 9.45-12.45, he will pick those up when a space is available.  My boys have both loved our kindy but it sounds like in your case DC is working out great for your family and if they have a good transition to school programme your wee man will be fine.  Good luck with whatever you decide

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