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    Posted: 08 December 2010 at 7:57pm
Pre DS the thought that I'd end up with a C-section just didn't occur. Then at 40wks, with a failing placenta and low liquor I was induced. Labour ok, but then he went posterior and specialist said C-section was the way to go.

Afterwards, I just assumed that given the choice, next time I'd clearly just try for VBAC.

Now I'm UTD and feeling very confused. All of a sudden I'm scared of VBAC and thinking elective C is just less risky. Though part of me knows an operations a risk in itself. I guess the thing is the C-section just wasn't that bad and DS made it. I know (in hindsight) that if the specialist wasn't so encouraging to go C-sec with DS that it would have been very bad, there was no way he was coming out the other way.

How do I choose? Do I just leave it to chance? I know I'm meeting trouble 1/2 way but I just can't stop thinking about it. I'd like to hear from other mum's who've been through the dilemma.
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I went with the 'better the devil you know' approach and decided an elective was best for me... but I'd had a pretty traumatic delivery experience with my 1st and knew that I couldnt cope emotionally if anything happened like that again. TBH the elective was brilliant.. relaxed, calm, everything went as planned (mostly) and I was home on day 4... best decision I ever made!

In all honesty I dont think a VBAC would ever have been successful in my case, partly for medical reasons, but mostly because my head would have made my body shut down, I was so scared of what if's and history *maybe* repeating itself.

Have you read through the vbac rollcall thread? there are several mums who successfully VBAC'd, and some who tried and ended up with c-sections, might be helpful to read their stories too.

One option is to take the 'wait and see' approach. You'll be referred to an OB towards the latter stages of pregnancy to discuss VBAC vs elective anyways, and you could set a limit for yourself, for e.g if you have low fluid again, then maybe too risky to try VBAC, so elective would be the other option, whereas if everything is normal, and you go into spontaneous labour by a certain gestation, then VBAC could be the way to go?
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Thanks.
So I'll get refered to an OB later just becasue I had a c-s first time round?
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Yep, its something done with ALL post c-section pregnancies, usually around the 32-34 week mark.
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All the stats say that VBAC is def less risky than a c-section. However you should do what you think is best for you and your baby.

Also be warned, depending on which OB you get, they can be less than supportive of your decision. The OB I got was ok with me wanting a VBAC, but was very strongly insisting on continual monitering, IV line in my hand, and no water birth. She almost had a fit when I told her I was planning a home VBAC!

But I ended up with a c-section anyway, unfortunately. And I personally have found the recovery from this c-section much more difficult than it was with the first - perhaps due to the fact I had been having contractions for a week and no sleep beforehand, or it might be because having a 2 year old to look after aswell is an extra challenge.

Good luck, and you don't need to make a decision for a while yet, so do some research, and see how your pregnancy goes and you can see what is going to be best for you a bit further down the track.
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I had a C section at 38 weeks. I was induced and i reacted to the gel. baby's heartrate didn't recover. I found that the C section was great, better than expected. I had the best people in theatre and healed well. Thinking about no 2 now not sure to have a vbac or elective c section. I don't one person who has had a good birth full stop.
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I'm thinking that the reason for the 1st CS has a lot to do with whether to go VBAC or CS for the 2nd.
Lots of mums do it the old fashioned VB way, so clearly it works for most.
I guess I need to do some reading, and have a good chat with the OB and establish the odds that it will all go pear shaped again.
It worries me that while the baby is on the inside, it's hard to know exactly what's going on. Where's that crystal ball when you need it?
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I had elective c/s with my first, he was breach my waters had broke at 35 weeks and it was all a bit of a disaster. A disaster as in it wasn't the pain relief free birth at the birthing clinic I had planned on. Like you a c/s had never entered my mind, i just assumed it was something other women did...lol. That all changed the moment they said "oh and you baby is breach".

Anyway I had a great c/s, recovered really well, was driving again by three weeks, had no trouble with bonding or milk supply etc so overall not a bad birthing experience, just not the one that was written in my birth plan!

With number two I had already decided pre pregnancy that I would try a VBAC unless it got to induction. So basically if I went into labour great if not then I would go straight for c/s as induction often leads to that anyway especially if you are a previous c/s as well and I didn't see the point of a labour just to end up with a c/s anyway.

So all went well, I went into labour naturally 4 days overdue and had a successful vbac. Fully plan to push this one out as well. My labour was 14 hours (a little longer than they normally like to let you go, but they were tied up with 27 week triplets and left me and my mw to it ). I had an epi after 8 hours cos I didn't seem to be progressing but then went from 4-10cm in less than 2 hours, the epi wore off so did the pushing stage without it and in the end I think they may have topped it up as we opted for a vontouse as I had been pushing 2+ hours and was having pain, OB checked my scar just in case, mw wasn't taking any chances, but it was just babies shoulder digging in in the same place the scar is but they offered vontouse cos they don't like you to push for more than two hours and I was in so much pain I would have let them crow bar him out if they had offered.. One push with vontouse and out popped his head then I pushed the rest of him out myself.

The best thing my mw said to me was that at anytime I could change my mind and ask for a c/s (unless he was crowning, then it's too late, but bar that at anytime during labour you can change your mind).

They have a lot of timeframes in place for you as well, so when I saw the OB at 34ish weeks they said they don't let you go longer than 12 hours (but I did), they like you to come to the hospital straight away (I didn't), they only let you push max 2 hours (I pushed for more) and that if your labour is too slow they will push the synotocin (sp?) straight away. We were talking about doing that when the epi wore off and we found I was 10cm so didn't need it. They also said I would be monitored constantly but I told my mw no way was that happening, so instead I was monitored for 30 mins when I first arrived (had already laboured at home for 5 hours) and then was monitored once the epi was in. I was given the option to go in the pool, my mw said the OB would just have to put up with me getting in and out if they wanted to montior me. I didn't use it though as once in labour I didn't want to.

So basically they will monitor you a lot if that's what you want, but you don't have to do it their way and at any point you can call for a c/s and at any stage they think things aren't going to happen naturally then they will suggest it to you anyway.


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Oh and one other thing my mw said was that you are more likely to have a successful VBAC if you have laboured once before as it's less of an unknown and normally helps you be in a better headspace about it all, so that's a plus you have

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I also had no thoughts whasoever about a c-section, having one had never even crossed my mind but then I had a really traumatic birth and after a crash c-section I was worrying about this before we were even TTC. Now that I am UTD and have a fantastic midwife, I have decided to go for a VBAC but if needs must at the time, I'm not opposed to another c-section - though the thought of giving birth at all still freaks me out after last time (I better get used to it though!).

My mw also said what two_boys mentioned, that a VBAC is likely to be more successful when you have laboured before so that's keeping me in a positive frame of mind - I got to 10cm and started pushing last time so at least that will be the same this time round - I hope so anyway.

Good luck for your decision and I'll be watching with interest for other replies.


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Good luck deciding, it's certainly scary when most hospitals in NZ have very conservative or overcautious OBs (consultants/registrars etc).

In my experience, I did loads of research (I'm studying childbirth education ) and knew that the risk of scar rupture is suuuper low. USA are kinda forefront apparently with their publishings and the American College of Obstetrics & Gynaecology are now promoting vba2c as perfectly safe. I have spoken with around a dozen women who have had really great births when attempting vbac or vba2c, and most of them totally recommended labouring on hands and knees... on your back generally puts anyone in line for more interventions as it restricts bubba's exit.

I've also had a dreadful recovery from this 2nd c/s but then there've been complications that are not necessarily related to the surgery (older toddler, false starts, infection, pelvis took a battering during preg). IIIFFFF we go for a 3rd baby I will definitely attempt a vba2c, as my labour itself was actually great - until the heartrate of the baby got scary. I was upright, used acupressure and rescue remedy and kept moving, and although tiring I enjoyed the experience (except the painful bits of course )

And yeah, where is that crystal ball??!!
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Question Two_Boys, where did you birth? Good to ready they dont let you go for to long. I am only 15 weeks, and had been thinking C-Sect all along, but i have now changed my mind and reading how they monitor you etc is great. But i also know all hospitals are different...




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It was Christchurch Womens, they do seem pretty good as they promote VBAC but I know one friend who didn't want to do that and they never pressured her and another friend who called it quits at 6cm and they were happy to take her through to theatre so they seem pretty good. (Although I expect you could find horror stories out there too).
Talk to your mw, cos she can monitor you heaps if you like, I only saw an ob when I first arrived and she signed to say I could have epi if I wished, then I met the new one at shift changeover and then didnt' see her again till mw called her in to check my pain and she stayed to do vontouse, so all the monitoring was just done by my mw (so that ctg when I first arrived and then ctg when epi was in plus doppler randomly throughout)

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Thanks for that Two_boys, i think i will be much happier to know i will be monitored and if its to much i get a c-sec, im sure my c-sec with DS was because of his positioning, but i want to be sure, so will also wait for my hosp apt for my final decision.

I saw a friend the other day 12 hours after birth, she looked amazing! Made me realize how much better off i would be with a VBAC.




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i had an emergency c section after posterier and feotal distress the first time..and wanted elective the second time..i wont lie most of it was because i was terrified of natural birth but i went into labour and because of them making me wait(dont get me started they just assumed i was like everyone who takes forever despite being told i dont) I nearly had another emergency c section...in the end he went posterier in labour too and had 37cm head and eventually i got my c section.. anyway i wanted that nice crying baby and a better birth experience..the first one was awful but it was worse in that he wasnt breathing either and had to have help.. but was ok after a few secs..

anyway after much thought i decided at my OB appt at 36 weeks i wanted c section and tubes tied and they were fine with that.. for me i wanted one clear option in my head but because they refused to believe my dates(till after i delivered then they agreed and they dont do them till 39+I ended up in labour..lol anyway i say talk it over with mw an dOB and anyone else you need to and see how you feel about it and make sure you go with what you feel you want to do.
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Its SUCH a personal choice really, you can read all the pros and cons and stuff, and read about other peoples experiences, but it comes down to what you feel is right for you and your baby.

I chose to try for a VBAC, and my conditions were, if no labour by 41 weeks then Id have the eletcive, when I saw the OB we actually booked my section in for the 31st which would make me 42 weeks as that was the only spot left!!, then at 7 days over due I had an internal to check the cervix and I wasnt favourable one little bit!! So we decided we would try and bring my CS forward, as I was over it and tired, and I was too scared to try for the VBAC, and I was lucky to get in on the 27th! So I had a day to get ready!
Im very happy with my choice, I think it was the right one for us

ETA - Also, my OB said that the risks are roughly the same for CS and VBAC. So I chose the CS as that whats familiar to me and I knew it would go ok.

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Sorry Sheza only just saw your reply.

I think for me my gut says elective c-sec, but then i think why, and its simply because im to scared to have the birth i did first time round, and if i just have an elective i know whats going to happen.

Question, how did you find the recovery and looking after DS? And you have proberly written it elsewhere but how did you find an elective overall? Im sure i have read somewhere you lost a lot of blood with your DS, did you with DD? Sorry feel free to tell me to buzz off. My mw answers my questions but nothing like hearing it from someone whos been there done that.




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I never thought I would have a c/sect but after being 2 weeks o/d & then in labour for a day they had to do an emergency c/s & got him out in 5mins. Not the start I wanted.

I had no plans on how DS2 would enter the world they pushed for a VBAC. They were going to start it at 7pm by inducing me but did not have any free operating room in case something went wrong, so did it 7am the next day. 12 hrs+ later he was born with VBAC...it was the greatest feeling ever even tho I had an epidural in preparation if an emergency c/s was required.

I tried for another VB with DS3 but he ended up being an emergency c/s.

If I was to have another one I would try for a VB but would not be disappointed if it was a c/s or if that was there recommended way.

At the end of the day you need to do what is best for you & the result is your baby will be born no matter what way you choose..



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I think my biggest fear is that the problem which caused the induction in the first place happens again - what if they don't pick it up in time. I talked to my MW and I'm going to get the notes from my first one, see if they say what I remember.
Then just holding out for the OB appointment.
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I had a c/s with #1 due to placenta tearing and causing haemmorage mid-labour. I was pretty certain that wouldn't occur again and I wasn't ready to commit myself to all c/s from #2 onwards. I think most ppl probably make up their mind about it within the first half of their pregnancy but you will actually be referred to an OB at 28-33 weeks to discuss your options and the pro's and con's. So you can just put a list together for then if you like.

I'm glad I did VBAC. It means I basically have a choice with all my babies now (all the rest have been VB) and medical staff are very reluctant to induce someone with c/s history (risks are higher). A VBAC is usually less risky than a c/s and even though a VB hurts more than a c/s, the recovery time is much faster. Heaps. Which is really helpful when the c/s baby is then a toddler!
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