The coffee group bully...
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Topic: The coffee group bully...
Posted By: fattartsrock
Subject: The coffee group bully...
Date Posted: 07 November 2005 at 9:39am
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Ok, mid morning rant time. This has been bugging me for AGES, and I'm sure I'm not alone with this one.
Our Ante Natal group meets up for coffee probably about once a fortnight, and you guessed it, there is a "supermum" in it. I understand we all want to be seen to be being great mums (and as far as I'm concerned, we are) but this woman takes the cake. The first meeting, (I had had coffee with her the week before, so I had already had this grilling) she asked everyone if they had pain relief during labour, are they b/feeding and are they using cloth nappies. Which is normal kind of questions, I guess, but she did it so condescendingly, and was very quick to tell about her drug free, all night sleeping cloth nappied b/fed baby, which is fine, like I said, it was just the condescending way it was done. She was very quick to announce it was ok for me to be using disposibles, because of the feeding problems I was having with Jacob, what was everyone elses excuse because it is just LAZY (!!!!!)  .
The other times it has been comments like "I plan to go straight from breast to cup, I want to bypass that whole formula poison and bottles" (there are bottle feeders in our group) and "I want to bypass farex completely" (we all have been using farex)and othrr such gems. Last time, as soon as I walked in the door, she asked if Jacob had found his toes yet (he's one of the older babies)I replied "No, but he's found his diddle and likes playing with that" She then freaked out totally when I put him down and he was rolling over all the time, because I hadn't told anyone he was rolling over! AAARRRGGGHHH!!! I have joined another coffee group which seems bully free, but I really enjoy the company of some of the other mums from ante natal, so we have been "meeting on the sly.." Feel free to post your bully rants, I would love to hear them! ------------- The Honest Un PC Parent of 2, usually stuck in the naughty corner! :P |
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Posted By: lenabeanz
Date Posted: 07 November 2005 at 9:57am
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I have one who is similar!! She talks CONSTANTLY about herself and her kid - doing this, doing that, saying this, not saying that... He is the oldest in antenatal and arna is 5 days younger and I got her back!! Arna was the first one walking for about 3 months!! HAHAHA and her boy is the 4th one to walk... shouldn't be like that but people like that annoy me!
The lil girl who was 2nd walking - I get on with her mum real well and as we both say - kids do what they want when they want!! so if they're not walking at 1 year or whatever just means they are happy crawling etc!! Not really a rant but Im just sick of certain people thinking they are better then everyone else
 Im over it now------------- http://www.snugglepie.com"> 
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Posted By: newmum
Date Posted: 07 November 2005 at 1:54pm
I so know what you mean. I have one mum in our antenatal coffee group that won't stop saying that Joey is "chubby" and "a little fatty" etc. aaaarrrgh, he isn't fat AT ALL, he just has chubby cheeks... and anyway, I find it really rude to say that....   ------------- http://lilypie.com"> 
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Posted By: preggy_sunflower
Date Posted: 07 November 2005 at 2:04pm
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Oh, that makes me so mad!! How dare rude people behave like that I know EVERYONE thinks their baby is the most gorgeous and advanced - yadda yadda, but how insensitive and stupid, nay downright RUDE can people get???? Take it as jealousy, cos we all know our babies (or bumps) are the most beautiful creatures in the world ------------- Joshua Hadynn - Born 3 May 2006 |
Posted By: fattartsrock
Date Posted: 07 November 2005 at 2:24pm
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And, heres the thing that I guess I was getting at in my "novel" - Not everyone wants to use cloth for whatever reasons, who cares? not everyone wants to or can breastfeed and the decision to bottle feed isn't made any easier when you come up against those opinions all the time, and not everyone wants to have a drug free birth becasue it HURTS!!!! I wouldn't get a tooth pulled with out pain relief, and yes, i had an epidural at 7cms, but it didn't work and it still bloody hurt!!! at the end of the day, you don't get a badge or a medal or anything for being "supermum" so don't dis on those you think aren't that great! (Am annoyed with her at mo, there is a bby photo comp on in town, $1 a vote and she got her hubby to put $100 on...) Phew! feel much better now after that rant!!! ------------- The Honest Un PC Parent of 2, usually stuck in the naughty corner! :P |
Posted By: preggy_sunflower
Date Posted: 07 November 2005 at 2:31pm
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Look at it this way - if the only way she can get her baby to win is by putting $100 of her own money on it then how sad is she??? Yup - smacks of insecurity. Be glad you are not her!! ------------- Joshua Hadynn - Born 3 May 2006 |
Posted By: lenabeanz
Date Posted: 07 November 2005 at 2:44pm
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Friends of ours (the good ones I talked about before) went over to Melbourne as Heidi's sis lives there and they entered Lauryn in a photo baby comp and she won!! She came home and told me and I was happy for her!! Arna hasn't won anything like that (I haven't put her in any!)
At antenatal I was the first to stop breastfeeding at 3 months (good effort i thought!) and me and Heidi were the only ones who used disposable - both had all good intentions to use cloth but that didnt happen!! We are ALL mothers of our own cute little children - we do what WE think is best for them and 99% of the time we are right!! - the other 1% is keeping other ppl happy ------------- http://www.snugglepie.com">
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Posted By: fattartsrock
Date Posted: 07 November 2005 at 3:00pm
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I think so too. We all have our own ideas and don't always agree with others, but it dosen't give us a right to comment. I think whatever makes mum happy makes baby happy.
The baby foto thing is a plunket thing, a fundraiser. $100 is a great donation, but if Jake won, i'd like it to be cos hes a cutie pie, not cos we put $100 in! Ah, well, each to their own!  ------------- The Honest Un PC Parent of 2, usually stuck in the naughty corner! :P |
Posted By: k&jsmum
Date Posted: 07 November 2005 at 4:09pm
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hi there - ahhhh the coffe group bully or as i like to think of her the supermum!!!! i used to find i would get drawn into having to explain myself to woman like that and would be thinking to myself who cares what they think. i cannot even guess at the amount of ppl who used to ask me why i only b/f jaidyn (i expressed for keegs and topped up with formula as he refused to b/f from the get go) and usally looking down their noses at me so i used to tell them that i liked jaidyn better so thats why i b/f him!!!! that shocked a few ppl. i mean come on doesnt take much to figure out that there was obviously a valid reason to my decision which wasnt actuallu mine but rather keegans decision. and the comments ppl make on my boys hair (and not always nice comments say things like oh your kids a carrot tops or gingas)- always asking where did thay get it from?? sometimes it makes me so mad i feel like asking where they got their ugly nose from? no one asks where blonde kids or brown haired kids get their hair from. anyway back to the coffee group mum. i used to get frustrated with the comments like oh arent your kids rolling yet?? ummm does it look like it!!!! and espeacially with the boys being so prem i was like give them a break. so yeah jacobsmama i fully understand those feelings. i have just put it down to insecurity of other mums who want to be the best and thoughtlessness of other ppl who make silly comments about your kids. well that wasnt too bad of a rant aye lol ------------- Marlene Keegan ~ 14 October 2003 Jaidyn ~ 14 October 2003 |
Posted By: lenabeanz
Date Posted: 07 November 2005 at 4:15pm
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This is remindin me of the Young Mum's topic..
Everyone thinking they are better then you. But K&J's mum - I agree must be their insecurites. My old work collegue had twin girls - did it all on her own and they are now 3 and are the cutest little things ever!! ------------- http://www.snugglepie.com">
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Posted By: fattartsrock
Date Posted: 07 November 2005 at 10:18pm
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I'm hearing ya on the red hair thing, Marlene, Jacob has red hair too, and man people are rude about it, asking me if I was gutted? As if! I love his hair, i think it's beautiful! Also, I get sick of peopel saying "ooh hes a bonny boy, you must feed him up"
You're right Lena, just people trying to make themselves feel bettr by belittleing you! Just good to have a rant, its been annoying me for a bit, I even had to catch myself the other day by thinking, I'm 30. successful and happy. I have a wonderful partner and baby, so what if a silly 25 year old thinks shes better than me. boo ya for her! ------------- The Honest Un PC Parent of 2, usually stuck in the naughty corner! :P |
Posted By: k&jsmum
Date Posted: 07 November 2005 at 10:25pm
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my nana keeps telling me that red hair is speacial and yes i love the boys hair too - up all their bums i say lol ------------- Marlene Keegan ~ 14 October 2003 Jaidyn ~ 14 October 2003 |
Posted By: fattartsrock
Date Posted: 07 November 2005 at 10:40pm
Yeah, not everyone can have beautiful red hair, most hae to pay good coin to get what our boys have naturally. Your boys are so cute, I love the pic! ------------- The Honest Un PC Parent of 2, usually stuck in the naughty corner! :P |
Posted By: mum2paris
Date Posted: 07 November 2005 at 10:45pm
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yep we get that with ayja... "so, where'd the red hair come from?" what should i say?!! "oh i dunno, maybe i jumped the fence?!" lol. who knows, and well, really who cares! she is who she is and i don't care.
another one we get often is the reverse of what alot of you have said.. instead of being called chubby "ooooh they're so little" "oh what a wee tiny dot!" i know now, that yes my kids are little - but back as a new mum, when i was having no end of feeding probs with paris, all i took it as was "oh look, your baby looks like you don't feed it!" except my own mother - who now says so paris oh look, you're getting chubby arent you?! and not in a nice way. she spent my whole life telling me and my sisters the same thing.. so i told her where to get off - it's bad enough making us feel like we'd never amount to much and we were fat.. (whatever lady) no way is she gonna do that to my daughters! with the coffee group thing i didn't keep it up. i would go to feed paris at ours, when all the other mummys were feeding their bubs, and paris would be screaming cos she was hungry, but no way would she take the boob most of the time... just getting up and having to walk across the room to go heat a bottle.. it was like the walk of shame... so i stopped going. that lady who paid for the plunket thing, that's definately insecurity.. how nazi is that?! wouldn't it be funny if her kid still didn't win?!! lolol. i'm not one to be nasty, but also i'm not one to stay quiet while other people are.. ------------- Janine and her 2 cool chicks, Paris & Ayja 
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Posted By: fattartsrock
Date Posted: 08 November 2005 at 10:24am
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Yeah, we have group today, and I have decided that I am going to speak up if she starts up aboutsometing today. AND, (naughty me) I'm gonna go "oh my god, you'll never guess! the lady at the photo shop told me that someone put $100 on their baby in the competition! how sad!" and see what reaction I get. I have contemplated stopping going, but I really like some of the other mums, and I think no way am i going ot let this little tart get the better of me!
Janine, I can't believe your mum!! How rude!!! I bet you have some great rows! ------------- The Honest Un PC Parent of 2, usually stuck in the naughty corner! :P |
Posted By: preggy_sunflower
Date Posted: 08 November 2005 at 10:44am
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Go you Annie!! I'm not one for nastiness either, but that kind of behaviour deserves some clever thinking!! ------------- Joshua Hadynn - Born 3 May 2006 |
Posted By: Bizzy
Date Posted: 08 November 2005 at 2:50pm
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go gently on the bully - you may be her only friends hence why she had to put $100 for her babys pic, she didnt think any one else would. and dont forget we are all insecure when it comes to our babies and our skills as moms at some stage.
most people dont mean to be nasty, the mum saying your bub is chubby may be complimenting you, (after all we have been brought up to think a chubby baby is healthy) and the comments re the hair may just be genuine interest, after all it is not a common hair colour, or someones attempt to start up a conversation and get to know you better. ------------- http://www.myfitnesspal.com/weight-loss-ticker"> 
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Posted By: k&jsmum
Date Posted: 08 November 2005 at 3:11pm
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i dont mind the nice comments which is human nature but when ppl say things like oh your poor child having to be a red head (or carrot top or ginga as some ppl have said) it does get on my goat. sometimes ppl treat it like its a disease and sorry but when i feel someone is insulting my kids i will get defensive. as for maybe being the only friends the bully has you could be on to something there. have never thought of it that so will keep that in mind for the future when i encounter someone like that. ------------- Marlene Keegan ~ 14 October 2003 Jaidyn ~ 14 October 2003 |
Posted By: fattartsrock
Date Posted: 08 November 2005 at 4:42pm
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Yeah, i guess you are right, about the only friends thing, and maybe shes so "competitve" because she has nothing else she is comfrtable talking to us about? She wasn't there today, she had visitors (she must have some other friends after all!).
Most people are nice about Jakes hair, but you do get the odd one who asks if you are gutted about him being a carrot or a ginga, I do hate that. I always say it comes from my dad (a redhead) but that sounds a little dodge, too!! I call Jakey my chubb bubb as well, i do think its healthy, like we were brought up to think, but some have been a little nasty, asking if I am over feeding etc, oh well, their prob, not mine, I guess. Just gets me down a little when people make comments like that, because like you said , Deborah, we all get a little insecure about being a mum at times. ------------- The Honest Un PC Parent of 2, usually stuck in the naughty corner! :P |
Posted By: lenabeanz
Date Posted: 08 November 2005 at 4:45pm
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Haha just had a thought when you said you call Jacob chub bub... Arna has a "beer" belly... Sticks out SO much sometimes we also says shes pregnant. We get alot of comments about that - Dr says its ok so I'm not worried!
Oh and shes a little shorty! (just like her mum!) ------------- http://www.snugglepie.com">
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Posted By: newmum
Date Posted: 09 November 2005 at 7:40am
Yeah, but it is different if we lovingly call our bubs chub or whatever or if someone sneeringly says it... maybe I am taking it too personally...  ------------- http://lilypie.com">
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Posted By: k&jsmum
Date Posted: 09 November 2005 at 10:14am
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i think you know within yourself if someone is being unkind and you do react accordingly - its human nature. There is no need for anyone to say comments about you to your child that upset and I'm sorry but ppl can usually tell when a comment about your child upsets you as we tend to get defensive. So for them to continually make them just shows them to be the nasty person. Do you think you would feel comfortable perhaps taking the lady aside and explaining to her you find her comments offensive? If you stand up to her it might just make her realise you wont tolerate her comments. I am pretty straight up with folk now. My friends hubby always makes comments about the boys hair and i have told him it down right p@#*%s me off (the only language he could understand after nicely telling him heaps lol). Also a lady in the supermarket stopped to talk to me and commented on the boys beautiful hair which i said thanks to, then she proceeded to tell that if her daughter saw them she would be mean as shes always mean about redheads so i told the lady "well then your daughter doesnt want to meet me and say mean things does she!!" the lady looked abit shocked but what did she expect!! I think if we dont pull ppl up on things they say that upset us how are they ever going to know?? ------------- Marlene Keegan ~ 14 October 2003 Jaidyn ~ 14 October 2003 |
Posted By: fattartsrock
Date Posted: 09 November 2005 at 10:27am
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You're right, I have been thinking about saying something to her, I'd hate her to think I was a b@tch, but she needs to be gently reminded that all bubs and mums are different, but we are all doing a great job! My stepson is nasty to Jake about his hair, but I put that down to teenagers, and I say to him "at least Jake dosen't have to put silly streaks in his like you do" that usually shuts him up! ------------- The Honest Un PC Parent of 2, usually stuck in the naughty corner! :P |
Posted By: preggy_sunflower
Date Posted: 09 November 2005 at 10:50am
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Yes, I agree you know when people are being nasty. My nephew who is 9 months old is seriously huge - in the top 1% for his age for weight. Sooooo many people make rude comments about his size - my sister in law is regularly in tears and has stopped going to her coffee group because of the comments. He is very big, there is no denying it - but his parents are both very tall and lean people (mum 5'10 and dad 6'3) so I would imagine he's going to be very tall too. He also has red hair, and the comments also come thick and fast about that. There is no need to upset people. It is my experience of bullies that they do know what they are doing... Don't we all know when we say hurtful things? ------------- Joshua Hadynn - Born 3 May 2006 |
Posted By: k&jsmum
Date Posted: 09 November 2005 at 1:23pm
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lol i so have the opp prob yeah the boys are redheads but they are little esp keegan (bottom 3% for height and weight) so ppl are always surprised at his age and calling him tiny - bit sad for a boy but he is really lean and strong. Its just his build. And of cse we know when we say hurtful things (unlike men lol). We can sense it in ppls reactions. ------------- Marlene Keegan ~ 14 October 2003 Jaidyn ~ 14 October 2003 |
Posted By: lizzle
Date Posted: 09 November 2005 at 4:02pm
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me and my friend have been discussing the same thing. our little boys are about 5 days apart and although I have to admit i compare them in my head (Jake comes out on top of course ), I would never say anything as I know those comments are stupid. <My cousin and I are only a few months apart and were always compared...school grades, PE results, etc....pretty much everything. I hated it!
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Posted By: nikkitheknitter
Date Posted: 13 November 2005 at 12:46pm
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Han's a red head. I'm jealous!!!
I love it when older ladies come up and comment on what a gorgeous colour her hair is. Made the mistake of joking about Han dying her hair when she gets to hugh school when the lady I was talking to said that her children had red hair  oops. I had to backtrack and tell her I love red hair!
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Posted By: fattartsrock
Date Posted: 17 November 2005 at 1:26pm
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An update! She didn't win the baby foto comp, despite the $100.
Jake got 2nd, the little champ! He must have had alot of votes from workmates etc, because Rod and I put $20 each and my parents put $20. We got a voucher from this neat kids clothes shop in town with lots of labels (like mini minor etc) that we can't normally afford to shop at, so I am going to get him an outfit for xmas day!  ------------- The Honest Un PC Parent of 2, usually stuck in the naughty corner! :P |
Posted By: lizzle
Date Posted: 17 November 2005 at 2:04pm
| Neat!!!!! Good on Jake! (and hehe for the other lady.....I'm nasty though!) |
Posted By: newmum
Date Posted: 17 November 2005 at 2:21pm
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Congratulations Jake!!!! He is gorgeous though ------------- http://lilypie.com">
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Posted By: daikini
Date Posted: 17 November 2005 at 3:13pm
Yay for Jake!  ------------- Becca, mum of 2 girls & 3 boys |
Posted By: fattartsrock
Date Posted: 24 November 2005 at 10:28pm
Had group today and she was there, i hadn't even put my nappy bag down before she said (very snidely!) about Jake getting 2nd in the pic comp thingy. She is going back to work next week too, so it was great I didn't get that brought up. She did start up about a few things and 2 of the other mothers, who must have had enough as well, put her (nicely) in her place. Was so proud of my wee fella though, I never make a point of skiting about his milestones there, don't like to look competitve (so i do it on here instead!) he commando rolled a few times (just started this) sat up on his own (well, I sat him up to "talk" to his mate, he sat there by himself) AND said dada dada dada lots, much to the amusement of everyone else who was gutted for me (I so want him to say mama!!)so he did all his tricks. I was so proud of him! ------------- The Honest Un PC Parent of 2, usually stuck in the naughty corner! :P |
Posted By: k&jsmum
Date Posted: 24 November 2005 at 10:40pm
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thats so cool that he doing all those things (except the dada thing lol)
So if shes going back to wok does that mean she wont be there anymore? that will make it more enjoyable for you aye ------------- Marlene Keegan ~ 14 October 2003 Jaidyn ~ 14 October 2003 |
Posted By: fattartsrock
Date Posted: 24 November 2005 at 10:50pm
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I reckon! she was trying to get the others to make it in the mornings so she could go (i wouldnt be able to, but i wsn't worried) but no one was keen, afternoons suit all of us except her, so, probably won't see her much... ------------- The Honest Un PC Parent of 2, usually stuck in the naughty corner! :P |
Posted By: lenabeanz
Date Posted: 24 November 2005 at 11:51pm
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Haha that happened at our coffee group - This one couple think they are THE BEST for everything (job, car, accessories for baby etc) and the "hubby" had to work full time on the farm sharemilking and said it was going GREAT - then she had to go work full time (so must've flopped) - anyway one day she arranged to start work later (12lunch instead of 9am) and meet at a CAFE (real expensive too) for Morning tea , well she only turned up after we rung about 3 times and then she was there at 11:50am and only had time to say hi then go to work So hence we haven't made time for her again!
I don't even go anymore! Can't see the point if we are moving soon and the 2 girls I will keep in touch with I see more of them in the weekend and not at coffee group!! Looking forward to the Palmy Mum's BBQ from here more then coffee group!! haha ------------- http://www.snugglepie.com">
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Posted By: newmum
Date Posted: 25 November 2005 at 8:30am
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OK well my bully said the other day that Joey is probably not rolling over yet because he is too fat He is only 3 and a half months old. He is really trying to roll and I think he will do it soon but I am happy that he can't roll off things yet!! I am not one of those people that wants their kids to progress at the speed of light. He will do it when he is good and ready. ------------- http://lilypie.com">
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Posted By: lizzle
Date Posted: 25 November 2005 at 9:50am
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What a cow!!!! My mouth dropped reading that! What did you say?
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Posted By: newmum
Date Posted: 25 November 2005 at 10:06am
Nothing  I am such a wuss. I should really tell her where to go next time...
Anyway, I changed the ticker so you can see he is just a normal sized bub and she has a weird obsession with calling Joey fat when it isn't even true!! ------------- http://lilypie.com">
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Posted By: k&jsmum
Date Posted: 25 November 2005 at 12:05pm
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my god i cant believe the gall of her. i know its hard to say something but believe me you will feel so much better if you nicely put her in her place. Just tell her you find her comments offensive and you would rather she didnt make those comments. otherwise everytime you see her shes gona make you mad. You can do it
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Posted By: k&jsmum
Date Posted: 25 November 2005 at 12:06pm
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and he is so not a fat baby!!!!! Hes really cute 2
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Posted By: fattartsrock
Date Posted: 25 November 2005 at 12:17pm
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OMG!!!! How rude!!!!!
He's only 3 1/2 months!!! heaps of time yet!!!!!!!!!!!!!!and you want him where u can see him for as long as poss, Ana, you know, put him down to go to loo and he's still in same place when u get back!! ------------- The Honest Un PC Parent of 2, usually stuck in the naughty corner! :P |
Posted By: aimeejoy
Date Posted: 25 November 2005 at 12:50pm
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How rude is that!! Cant believe that people actually make comments like that Ana, he is so not fat. He looks like a real little cutie - love all the pics you have in your tickers ------------- Aimee Hannah 22/10/05 Greer 11/02/08 |
Posted By: lizzle
Date Posted: 25 November 2005 at 1:27pm
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jake is one and is in the top percentile for weight, but he's not fat either....but he is hefty and solid. I prefer to think of him as healthy!!! If babies were overweight, your doctor would say something. I'm pretty sure that babies can't get overweight (don't quote me on that though).
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Posted By: Maya
Date Posted: 25 November 2005 at 1:28pm
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Ana, Maya didn't roll over till she was 7 mths, and by that stage she was grossly underweight and was in the 3rd percentile for weight. So size has nothing to do with it. In Maya's case it was just sheer laziness
Perhaps I am a bit of a cow, but whenever people made comments about Maya's size (as a newborn I got "oh she's so big" and at 7-10 mths I got "gosh she's skinny") I bit straight back. One old bag stopped me walking along the road and asked how old she was and I said 2 weeks and she said "oh, she's very big for 2 weeks" so I replied "I know, isn't she beautiful, and I didn't even have to have stitches after the birth". She went bright red and didn't know what to say, and I was in a great mood for the rest of the day! We didn't do coffee group, but must admit that I felt a little inferior to the other Mum's in my antenatal group as they were all married with houses and planned babies, and I was 21 and having a big surprise. So when we got together for the babies first birthday it was nice to see that Maya was the only one walking (and she was the youngest by 2 mths!) -------------  Maya Grace (28/02/03)
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The Gremlins:Sienna Marie & Mercedes Kailah (14/10/06)
Lil miss:Chiara Louise Chloe (09/07/08)
Her ladyship:Rosalia Sophie Anais (18/06/12)
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Posted By: nikkitheknitter
Date Posted: 25 November 2005 at 2:38pm
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I didn't go to antenatal classes purely for that reason. (Went to a young mother's class in Rotorua and was the oldest by far! hehehe Good old Rotorua, never feel out of place when I come back here )
Ana - Joey is gorgeous! I love him! Hannah's a rival in the chubby department anyway I always get comments about her cheeks but have learnt that most people mean it in a complimentary way. (Although your coffee group bully doesn't sound like she was being particularly nice. Evil woman. Ignore her.)
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