Not guilty..
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Topic: Not guilty..
Posted By: ElfsMum
Subject: Not guilty..
Date Posted: 22 May 2008 at 3:18pm
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i know someone posted it somewhere but cant find the thread... here is the news..
http://nz.news.yahoo.com/080522/3/5k3y.html ------------- Mum to two amazing boys! |
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Posted By: ElfsMum
Date Posted: 22 May 2008 at 3:19pm
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not many news stories would outdo the budget! ------------- Mum to two amazing boys! |
Posted By: mummy_becks
Date Posted: 22 May 2008 at 3:36pm
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I saw that as well - all the rest were budget stories. I am shocked that he was found not guilty. ------------- I was a puree feeder, forward facing, cot sleeping, pram pushing kind of Mum... and my kids survived! |
Posted By: Bizzy
Date Posted: 22 May 2008 at 3:40pm
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wow - i wonder if they will go after the mother for it now!?
i'm not shocked, a bit surprised maybe. ------------- http://www.myfitnesspal.com/weight-loss-ticker"> 
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Posted By: mummy_becks
Date Posted: 22 May 2008 at 4:26pm
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You are right Deb, surprised is a better word. ------------- I was a puree feeder, forward facing, cot sleeping, pram pushing kind of Mum... and my kids survived! |
Posted By: Paws
Date Posted: 22 May 2008 at 4:31pm
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I'm not shocked, remember it is up to the crown to prove "beyond a reasonable doubt" which is a very high burden of proof. It almost sounds like it didn't take much for the defense to be able to bring in witnesses who could give that reasonable doubt. It's not actually up to the defense to prove innocence.
Sounds like they would have a good case against the mum...hopefully another trial will be brought. ------------- http://lilypie.com"> 
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Posted By: .Mel
Date Posted: 22 May 2008 at 4:48pm
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Yeah I'm thinking the same as you Paws regarding the mother. I don't know how she can live with herself. ------------- Mr Mellow (16) Miss Attitude (8) Destructa Kid (3) 
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Posted By: Bobbie
Date Posted: 22 May 2008 at 5:03pm
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I wasn't particularly surprised. I've always wondered if it was actually the Mum who did it. -------------  
 
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Posted By: peachy
Date Posted: 22 May 2008 at 5:16pm
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Surely someone heeds to be made accountable though? They can't all walk away scott free can they?
Poor babies  ------------- http://lilypie.com">  http://lilypie.com">
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Posted By: Bizzy
Date Posted: 22 May 2008 at 5:26pm
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seems like they will be... just read that the police will not be laying any further charges!!!!
Now that makes me very angry!!!!  ------------- http://www.myfitnesspal.com/weight-loss-ticker">
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Posted By: Henna79
Date Posted: 22 May 2008 at 5:30pm
| I was just on NZ herald. com and it says no charges will be laid against Macsyna so I guess that no one is going to be accountable at this stage. |
Posted By: Paws
Date Posted: 22 May 2008 at 5:37pm
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That really sucks....maybe the crown doesn't have enough evidence to charge the mother or the police don't have enough to lay charges. ------------- http://lilypie.com">
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Posted By: BuzzyBee
Date Posted: 22 May 2008 at 6:52pm
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I always thought he was NOT guilty ...
The police HAD to find a scapegoat for the crime, and unfortunately he was taken down. Poor guy will have to live with this for the rest of his life. He has a very reputable lawyer, she has gone to lengths to ensure his innocence is proven, she wouldn't have done so if he was guilty of committing this crime. Unless you're on the jury and have had all the evidence laid out in front of you I say you can't judge. But I definitely think that the mother has a lot to answer for. ------------- Single Mum to a darling wee boy of 3 years :) |
Posted By: Maya
Date Posted: 22 May 2008 at 7:19pm
With all due respect, he was their father and he was there when they were injured. Whether he did it or not, he had a duty of care to those boys and as far as I'm concerned I hope he DOES live with it for the rest of his life, he certainly deserves to.
In theory. But he's on legal aid and you can bet your bottom dollar he wouldn't have gotten such a reputable lawyer were it not such a high profile case. If he had been your average wife beater or drunk he would have got the Duty Solicitor for his first court appearance and been stuck with them. It's always amusing to see the high profile lawyers come out of the woodwork when these big cases come up: Comeskey, Dhyrberg, Harder.... oops no, sorry he got disbarred 
Sorry, I am just a bit of a cynic about the whole case... -------------  Maya Grace (28/02/03)
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Mum2Lucas wrote:Posted By: Maya
Date Posted: 22 May 2008 at 7:21pm
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Oh and no surprises here that he was found not guilty, reasonable doubt and all, but I am just incredibly sad for those poor wee boys who died for nothing. ------------- Maya Grace (28/02/03)
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Posted By: lizzle
Date Posted: 22 May 2008 at 7:29pm
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I'm not surprised abot the non-guilty thing either. there was too much circumstantial evidence. however, the thought that they all just walk away....ick. to say the least. but then i suppose if you can do that to a child, you would also be the kind of person to be able to walk away and feel ok.
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Posted By: Paws
Date Posted: 22 May 2008 at 8:34pm
I definetly agree with that! Once you've served on a jury it really opens your eyes to how the judicial (sp??) system can fall down and fail...whether there he is in part is guilty is irrelvant...the jury's duty is based on what evidence the crown and defense bring... ------------- http://lilypie.com">
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Posted By: Paws
Date Posted: 22 May 2008 at 8:36pm
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Also it must have been a pretty convincing case for the jury to take 10 mins in deliberations. Now that did surprise me! We took about 8 hours!!! ------------- http://lilypie.com">
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Posted By: Kels
Date Posted: 22 May 2008 at 8:44pm
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I think the mother did it. It was never proven that the father was even there when they were injured. Yes I think someone should do time for it for justice for the boys but I dont believe in convicting an innocent man just because he was an easy target. Yes he has duty of care for his kids but so did the mother not to mention all the adults that were in the house at the time. ------------- http://lilypie.com"> 
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Posted By: BuzzyBee
Date Posted: 22 May 2008 at 9:14pm
Nicely put Kels ...and I totally agree with everything you said above. ------------- Single Mum to a darling wee boy of 3 years :) |
Posted By: BuzzyBee
Date Posted: 22 May 2008 at 9:53pm
I agree that he WILL live with this for the rest of his life regardless. He lost his two precious sons in the process. The part that I think is unfair is the fact that he was dragged through such a huge ordeal & found 'not guilty' YET he will live with the label of 'child abuser' for the rest of his life. Very pi$$ed that someone walks free & I also agree that regardless of whether he was guilty of hurting those boys or not, to some extent he must have been aware that SOMETHING was going on & he did sit back and let it happen - that he IS guilty of. He definitely failed his sons in that respect. ------------- Single Mum to a darling wee boy of 3 years :) |
Posted By: grrrgrrrr
Date Posted: 23 May 2008 at 9:35am
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I think everyone in that house was responsible. ------------- Mattias 2yo Henrik almost 1 |
Posted By: ooEvaoo
Date Posted: 23 May 2008 at 10:22am
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Yes someone should pay for whats happened, but the Police will never change their mind on who they think the killer was, and thats why they won't pursue this case any further. How sad that they are willing to give up like that. I always believed that Chris was innocent. Being so young and having an older partner I'm sure he felt obligated, and that it was the "man" thing to do, to take the wrap for what happened to his boys. He neglected his sons that is something I will not argue, everyone who was in contact with those boys neglected them. He will always live with this hanging over his head, he lost 2 children, and was made a spectacle in front of the nation. I don't even think he's really had any time to grieve for his sons. Fathers are not always the bad guys in family violence. I have no doubt in my minds that the mother played a huge role in the death of those boys. You can not tell me that being on P doesn't bring out a very ugly monster in a person. I know how destructive P is and how warped the mind becomes on it. Not from personal experience, I would rather die than put that s%&t in my body, but many people around me have done it and it is not easy to come back from. For those boys, heaven is the best place for them to be, no baby deserves to live in such a neglectful, abusive enviroment. God now has them and I think that is probably the only comfort out of this whole ordeal. ------------- 
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Posted By: Maya
Date Posted: 23 May 2008 at 3:46pm
I absolutely agree that every single adult in the house at the time is, to some degree, responsible for what happened, and I think they should all be held accountable, at the very least for the tiki tour they lead the police on in the early weeks after it happened. I am disgusted at the way the Police handled it then, and they don't seem to have improved any since then. I think to describe Sonny as innocent is a bit liberal tho. OK so he's not guilty of doing the damage himself but IMHO the space between guilty and innocent is a very, very murky shade of grey. He could have stopped the injuries from occuring, failing that, he could have gotten medical care for them sooner. Choices have consequences, he made some poor choices and now he has to live with the consequences of those choices. Edited coz I clearly can't spell consequences...  ------------- Maya Grace (28/02/03)
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Posted By: Maya
Date Posted: 23 May 2008 at 3:49pm
If the hat fits... ------------- Maya Grace (28/02/03)
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Posted By: Maya
Date Posted: 23 May 2008 at 3:53pm
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Although I must say (and this will be the only thing I *ever* say in his defence!) that poor guy never had a chance. The way he was brought up, he was never going to have the opportunity to make something of himself, and that is the saddest part. When your upbringing is that dysfunctional, it's almost inevitable that it will be a vicious cycle. ------------- Maya Grace (28/02/03)
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Posted By: CuriousG
Date Posted: 23 May 2008 at 4:36pm
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I was rapt he was found not guilty, I never thought he did it. ------------- http://lilypie.com"> 
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Posted By: WRXnKids
Date Posted: 23 May 2008 at 5:52pm
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I always thought it was the mother but as the paper i read said the police would be stupid to charge her with it now unless they can find new evidence otherwise defending her would be too easy as they could use the same defence as Chris had. There is no evidence she wasnt there when the children were injured.
Although hearing that the house was fill of benefit funded drug and alcohol fulled parties is what pissed me off the most why do people who waste their benefit money still receive it???? Maybe they should hand out the benefit in grocery vouchers with the rest being paid directly to the service companies ie phone power rent. I know not everyone abuses the goverment payments but the people who do need a wake up call -------------   
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Posted By: pepsi
Date Posted: 24 May 2008 at 10:39am
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Holy moly, I never knew that the Kahui "twins" were actually 2 surviving triplets!! Is this true?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chris_and_Cru_Kahui#Before_deaths - Linky |
Posted By: BuzzyBee
Date Posted: 24 May 2008 at 1:26pm
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Yes this is true. ------------- Single Mum to a darling wee boy of 3 years :) |
Posted By: Maya
Date Posted: 24 May 2008 at 1:35pm
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Yup, the third one was stillborn. ------------- Maya Grace (28/02/03)
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Posted By: Maya
Date Posted: 24 May 2008 at 2:12pm
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As an aside, http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/1/story.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10503850 - this baby is a cousin of Chris'. Goes to show what a lovely family they are.
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Posted By: LJsmum
Date Posted: 26 May 2008 at 7:15pm
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That's so sad emma. Any news on if the 6 week old baby survived.
I think the mother did it. Hope the police some how find new evidence and can try her. Poor babies thaty never had a chance. -------------  
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Posted By: Maya
Date Posted: 26 May 2008 at 8:00pm
Yep, baby Xavier is OK. Not sure of the long term damage, but he did survive and he's been taken into care, just like his siblings  ------------- Maya Grace (28/02/03)
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Posted By: .Mel
Date Posted: 26 May 2008 at 8:07pm
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I am so angry at this woman at the moment. I can't believe the absolute crap that she is spinning to the media at the moment. Macsyna King says she is a mother "haunted" by the deaths of her twin boys Chris and Cru Kahui, and she will not rest until "who" or "what" killed them is found What the fark ever!!!! ------------- Mr Mellow (16) Miss Attitude (8) Destructa Kid (3)
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Posted By: Maya
Date Posted: 26 May 2008 at 9:36pm
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I read that too, and wondered to myself how thick she thinks the rest of the world are? ------------- Maya Grace (28/02/03)
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Posted By: .Mel
Date Posted: 26 May 2008 at 9:41pm
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Did you read the Macysna (sp) World one ------------- Mr Mellow (16) Miss Attitude (8) Destructa Kid (3)
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Made me even angrier!Posted By: Maya
Date Posted: 27 May 2008 at 1:07pm
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No, I must have missed that one? I read the background one in the Weekend Herald review section. Makes me mad that she even *gets* media coverage ------------- Maya Grace (28/02/03)
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Posted By: caitlynsmygirl
Date Posted: 27 May 2008 at 1:19pm
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i never thought Chris did it , BUT I think his "taking the rap for it " is betraying the boys.
I guess in the strange world of the Kahui's , its seen as brave-i just see it as another way they have let the babies down. Every single person in that house (apart from the 1 year old ) should be held accountable , if your an adult, whether they are yours or not, you see a child being abused, you have an obligation to do right by the child and stop it happening,3 months, what could any child possibly do at 3 months to warrant that amount (or any amount ) of torture and abuse? as for the lawyer thing-well if your a defence lawyer your paid to do a job , it doesnt mean they genuinely think your innocent (though i do believe Kahui's lawyer really did) my friends murderer had a lawyer , of course, and i always wonder if he really believed a word of what he was saying during the trial-whether he did or not,his job was to get his client off (he didnt though, ha 18 years,good job , not good enough) just like Chris's lawyer. And Emma,who was Harder /harding? when he was at home? what he get disbarred for ? |
Posted By: NeoshasMummy
Date Posted: 27 May 2008 at 3:31pm
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Well at one stage I had heard that a ex boyfriend of the mothers had said that she admitted that she did it to them and Chris shouldnt go to jail for it. When he went to the cops they said they had no proof that this was said. hmmmm dodgy
what about the reports from the nurses in the hospital that the mother was calm and very uninterested in the whole process why her kids were dying, she even answered a cell phone call walked out of the room and was laughing on the phone!!! The whole thing makes me sick, there are 2 of her other older children living here in Gisborne, but apparently chris is going for custody of the "one surviving child" that headline sent shivers down my spine! ------------- https://secure.fertilityfriend.com/home/30c4ec/" rel="nofollow">  Mrs Te Kani ❤️ Neosha 26/5/2007 |
Posted By: caitlynsmygirl
Date Posted: 27 May 2008 at 5:03pm
yeah...whole thing makes me sick too I saw in the paper that she wants to get custody of the other kids, two or three who she hasnt seen in 5 years, great, completly disrupt their lives too.Im sorry , but SELFISH ! |