Second IVF Treatment
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Topic: Second IVF Treatment
Posted By: Kazper
Subject: Second IVF Treatment
Date Posted: 30 November 2008 at 1:00pm
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Hi there,
I am almost finished my second round of IVF and am scheduled for egg collection tomorrow. My last egg collection was a terrible experience. It was the most painful thing I have ever experienced and I felt so embarrassed to show it in front of the nurses because they said people just get a little discomfort. Somebody please tell me that I am not the only one who found it extremely painful. Just the thought of going through it again has been enough for me to not get a good night's sleep over the last week. Please help :^( |
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Posted By: kobec
Date Posted: 30 November 2008 at 6:54pm
Hey Kazper sorry i haven't had any IVF so haven't been thru any of that but I just wanted to say hope it all goes well tomorrow. All the best!!
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Posted By: Lulu
Date Posted: 30 November 2008 at 9:30pm
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I found it moderately painful, but I know of others who found it extremely uncomfortable and painful. You are quite in your right to ask for more extreme pain relief - do that for sure. Don't be afraid to ask, you need to do what's best for you. Good luck and I hope you have success with your cycle. ------------- Lou http://www.babysfirstsite.com"> 
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Posted By: Kazper
Date Posted: 02 December 2008 at 8:27pm
Thanks so much for replying guys. I had the egg retrieval yesterday and it was better than the first time and the ladies were really sweet. They gave me plenty more drugs so that helped. The only thing that went wrong was just at the very end they hit a nerve that sent me flying through the roof  so I am taking a lot longer to heal this time.
They are implanting a fertilized embryo this Thursday and I am really excited. They managed to get 14 eggs from me and so far 6 have survived. All fingers crossed for them.
I'll keep you posted!! |
Posted By: mylilmosaic
Date Posted: 02 December 2008 at 11:25pm
Thats awesome news Kazper  All the best and I will be keeping an eye out for your bfp! ------------- http://lilypie.com"> 
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Posted By: tiptoes
Date Posted: 03 December 2008 at 10:52am
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Fingers crossed for you kazper, keep us posted on how things go. ------------- http://alterna-tickers.com">  
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Posted By: Kazper
Date Posted: 04 December 2008 at 5:04pm
Hi guys, wow what a day. We had egg transfer today. One really good one was used and one frozen. Although I had all those eggs to begin with, its actually amazing that we have two because last ivf we only ended up with one average one. I'm over the moon  and feeling really positive. I have pregnancy test on 15 December. I want to tell everyone, but my fiance is so cautious and doesn't want anyone to know - not that has stopped me from telling a couple of people hehe!
Will keep you all posted!! |
Posted By: Kazper
Date Posted: 06 December 2008 at 6:27pm
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Hi again,
Well its Saturday evening and I only had transfer on Thursday and I already feel as though I cannot wait for the results of pregnancy test and I am doing the whole "read body signs thing". I get really paranoid and think every feeling I get is my period coming and/or sometimes silly little things make me think I'm pregnant. I even worry that things I do can ruin it for me - even though in the back of my head I know it wouldn't. I just wish I knew whether or not that little embryo is still there fighting strong or whether it is all over. At least this time we have one frozen and don't have to start again. There is even a chance that we will have another one, may be two frozen tomorrow. I think it helps a little when I think about that - but I am so ready you know? Its funny how some people say be patient, your young, it will happen. We'll I'm sorry, but those people haven't been trying for years. When your ready, your ready and I have been quite patient over the last couple of years. Anyway, having a little vent helps - I'm so glad I found this site!
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Posted By: ScaredyCat
Date Posted: 06 December 2008 at 7:47pm
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Oh wow Kazper, I can just imagine how hard that is to have to wait to find out and then trying to read something into every little feeling.
Not long now though, fingers and everthing crossed for you for a BFP on the 15th!! We start our first lot of IVF treatment this month after TTC for 4 years with unexplained infertility!!!!! Man am I tired of hearing that "try and relax and it will happen", yeah right!! Almost passed out from fright after reading your very first post in this thread, but I'm hoping I have a strong pain threshold and from what others have said it sounds like everyone is different!! Wishing you so much luck for the test coming up, would love to hear how you have got on! |
Posted By: Kazper
Date Posted: 06 December 2008 at 8:59pm
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Hi ScaredyCat! - although I'm sure your not one hehe!
Thanks so much for the pick up. Absolutely everyone is different. I have low pain threshold and I also had very active ovaries. The nurse said I had a nerve running across tone of my ovaries, so that would have been where the pain was. Yeh! it is tiring hearing people say things aye and they all think their experts because they heard a story of someone who went through ivf or tried for so long and when they gave up or relaxed it just happened. No matter how much I try to explain the situation and that that is actually just false hope, they do not listen. As much as I would love to believe that fairy tale ending, we know in our case that it won't happen that way. Best of luck for your ivf. If you need anyone to talk to I'm here and promise no more horror stories
I'll definitely keep you posted and would love for you to let me know how you are doing as well. |
Posted By: Kazper
Date Posted: 06 December 2008 at 9:02pm
| Me again - ScaredyCat I have added you to my buddy list so you can message me. |
Posted By: ScaredyCat
Date Posted: 06 December 2008 at 10:52pm
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Hey Kazper, thanks I will try and do the same.
And I am a big Scaredy Cat, I'm so scared of the whole process it freaks me right out, but I'm guessing I'm gonna have to get used to it and fast!!! AF is due tomorrow, so unless some amazing freak of nature has managed to occurr (fingers and toes crossed!!) I think we will be starting the process real soon. Can you tell me approx how long before anything happens once AF has arrived. The only thing I've really been told is to ring them on the morning I wake up with AF, from there I have tried to make sense of the manual they give you but it gives such variable length of times for injections and medication etc that I'm not really sure what to expect!! All I know is that I have a hugely busy month this month with overseas visitors staying for what seems like weeks and in our case no one except two very close friends know what we are up to, so I guess thats kinda freakin me out a bit too. Trying to have to explain to people why we possibly have to upsticks and leave them for awhile, we're in Katikati and have to travel through to Hamilton for treatment, where are you based? Anyway enough wallowing from me, its great to hear from someone else going through the same thing. |
Posted By: Kazper
Date Posted: 07 December 2008 at 10:10am
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Hi ScaredyCat,
You don't have to get used to anything. Its a scary process and you can feel however you want. It would be a bit hard keeping this from visitors, as you have injections on a daily basis - at about the same time - one of which needs to be kept in the fridge. Make sure if you are tired and stressed, you give yourself a break and let your partner/husband handle things. It's hard enough doing this let a lone with visitors in the house. It might be a good idea to let them know and to ask them to keep it respect your wishes in not telling other people. I know some people don't like telling others, but it helps. Especially if you have a down day, they can recognize that and stay clear, or clean and help around the house for you or something. As for your plan, I wish I could tell you what to expect, but everyone is different. I'm based in Taumarunui - so 2 hour drive to Hamilton - meaning 4 hour drives to and from. I got any blood tests done at the hospital here early morning and had them couriered to Pathlab in Hamilton. You may like to set that up where you are. (If you need help, just let me know - may be we could contact one another). Your first 3-4 weeks should be quiet. Probably not much contact with clinic. I think the standard time line for ivf treatment is something like 1 and a 1/2 to 2 months from day one of cycle. I think you stay on the pill for anything between 2 to 4 weeks, then you start the next stage for about 2 weeks and goes from there. I'd say if you start within the next couple of days, you may be finished late January. I started late October and finished last week. So it really depends on how things go. If everything runs smoothly, you won't have to do too many bloods or make very many visits. In total I think we made 4-5 trips to Hamilton and they weren't till the end of treatment anyway. Anyway, I can really ramble on. I will add you to my buddy list. Take care and good luck!!! Keep me posted
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Posted By: fionae
Date Posted: 07 December 2008 at 11:52am
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Hi there,
I know from what I have been told from FA that my day 1 is today and then I am expexted in Wellington for egg collection, followed by implant the week following the 19th Jan.. But as Kazper said everyone is different. Its firt time for me too so I don't know much other than what I have been told and asked. One thing I have learned tho is anything you don't know or are unsure of ask! I hope this helps a litte...
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Posted By: ScaredyCat
Date Posted: 07 December 2008 at 5:07pm
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Hey Kasper,
Many many many many thanks for that, that does help heaps, as I was kinda worried that it was going to all happen over just a few weeks and with Christmas and everything at the same time, so I'm quite relieved its a fairly lengthy process! I have managed to add you to my buddy list now too (I think!!!) Anyway, how are you feeling today, gosh I can just imagine how slow time must be ticking for you with the big wait, hope your keeping super busy, and spoiling yourself (and DH) rotten and the time will just fly by!! And thanks for that fionae, it would be great to hear your progress and how your getting on too, I guess when I get to ring them with day 1 they will probably give me a rough guideline of times etc too, so I have fingers crossed and everthing for you too. Good luck! |
Posted By: Kazper
Date Posted: 07 December 2008 at 5:43pm
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Hi Fionae and ScardeyCat!!!
It's great to hear from you guys. ScaredyCat I have posted a reply to private message and I have added you Fionae to my buddy list if you ever want to chat as well. It's so great to have this support and I wish I found this site when I was doing my first ivf because I think it would have really helped. I'm not to bad today!! ok I lie! I had an aweful sleep last night and feeling quite negative today. I knew I was bound to have a couple of these days though. I'm scared that if I take my mind of what is happening even for a moment, I will get my period. How paranoid is that. For me, last time I had transfer, I started to feel period pains around this time and I am just waiting for it to happen again. I have always, always had period pains a week before actually getting it - so it will kill me if I start to feel it. Oh! yeh Fionae is absolutely right, everyone is different with their treatment, but you should have at least a couple, if not 3 weeks of peace before the injections start, so hopefully after the crazyness of Christmas for you
I hope goes well for both you ladies and its great that you are both starting around the same time, you could be there for one another through the process. Take care!!! will keep you all posted
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Posted By: fionae
Date Posted: 08 December 2008 at 12:21pm
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Thank you to you both. Yes I think it will be great knowing that there is someone out there going through this at about the same time.
Hey Kazpa keep up those positive thoughts....I know it must be hard and it is easy to say but often hard to do. i have added you both to my buddy list... |
Posted By: Daizy01
Date Posted: 15 December 2008 at 7:23pm
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Hi Kazper,
Pregnancy test on the 15th. How did it all go for you? Positive vibes from this end. ------------- 2 ICSI Cycles (Both BFN) |
Posted By: tiptoes
Date Posted: 15 December 2008 at 8:17pm
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I hope it was good news Kazper!!! ------------- http://alterna-tickers.com">
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Posted By: Kazper
Date Posted: 15 December 2008 at 9:13pm
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Hi guys,
Sorry to report bad news
I'm absolutely devastated. Sometimes I'm ok and don't think about, then others I think I am going to go crazy. Both fiance and I were sure that I was pregnant. When I told nurse today what I had experienced she said I probably was pregnant - obviously lost it though. I had been getting very sensitive nipples and then last couple of mornings had nausea. Then out of the blue yesterday I got a little cramping then slight spotting. Only lasted a couple of hours and then things went back to being fine again. Then today I started my period - but only light bleeding. Now for some reason it has decided to stop again, but the cramping is pretty uncomfortable. I not sure what is happening. Anyway, that enough of moaning. I got to stay positive. We going to book in for our frozen embryo straight away. Should be able to get the ball rolling January/February - although I don't hold high hopes. Karen |
Posted By: Kazper
Date Posted: 15 December 2008 at 9:14pm
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Oh gee! what the hell did I put a smiley face in for.
My head is not with it. Karen |
Posted By: noodle
Date Posted: 15 December 2008 at 10:05pm
huge  heading your way Kazper, sorry this embie didn't make it!  lots of luck and fingers crossed for your frozen embie in the new year! ------------- http://lilypie.com"> 
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Posted By: Daizy01
Date Posted: 16 December 2008 at 9:01am
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Oh hell, I was looking forward to some great news from you before Christmas.
Next year, girl, will be the one for you. All the best for Christmas and the New Year. Take care. ------------- 2 ICSI Cycles (Both BFN) |
Posted By: Kazper
Date Posted: 16 December 2008 at 9:07am
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Hi guys,
Thank you so much for your support. I'm doing better than even I expected and trying to be positive. Fingers crossed for my other embryo next year. Karen |
Posted By: Lulu
Date Posted: 16 December 2008 at 10:51am
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I am sorry to hear your news Karen, best of luck for your FET next year. ------------- Lou http://www.babysfirstsite.com">
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Posted By: Kazper
Date Posted: 16 December 2008 at 4:03pm
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Thanks Lulu,
I feeling a bit better now. The clinic really felt for me and decided to make my follow up appointment this Friday instead of having to wait until late February. This way we can get things going a lot quicker. YAY!
Karen |
Posted By: Lulu
Date Posted: 16 December 2008 at 6:23pm
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That's great that they have been understanding and have fast tracked it for you. Best of luck for the next cycle! ------------- Lou http://www.babysfirstsite.com">
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Posted By: Kazper
Date Posted: 18 December 2008 at 6:22pm
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Thanks Lulu!
I am doing so much better today. Have had so much support from people
Karen |
Posted By: Minnie001
Date Posted: 28 December 2008 at 2:12pm
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Aww, Karen. I'm so sorry that didn't work out but I'm crossing everything for next year for you! I haven't been on here for the last month or so, because we are just 'on hold' at the moment. My partner is due for his next sperm test and we're waiting til late January to get back into all of that. Trying to just enjoy the holidays.
Hope you're okay
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Posted By: Kazper
Date Posted: 29 December 2008 at 4:48pm
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Thanks Minnie,
I doing alright. Christmas morning was a bit sad, but John picked me up and I started to enjoy myself by lunch time. My appt with our doctor went quite badly. He told us that he doesn't think our chances of conceiving through IVF are very good anymore and after we use the frozen embryo we have, it will probably be time that John and I discuss other options. I'm absolutely devastated and can't believe this is happening to us. I'm just trying to get through one day at a time and have a wedding to concentrate on now. We are getting married in under 4 weeks and I have a lot to do, so will get that out of the way and then start going over plans for the future. Karen 
P.S. Good luck for your partner's next test Minnie. I know the waiting game can be hard. |
Posted By: Lulu
Date Posted: 30 December 2008 at 7:30pm
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Kazper, I would do alot of research before you totally take what the specialist has said as gospel. When I was going through IVF I spent alot of time on a forum www.everybody.co.nz that has very active infertility threads. There are Ladies on there who were given no chance of ever conceiving via IVF that have gone on to have healthy babies of their own, just using different 'protocol' than the norm throughout IVF. These Ladies have alot of experience and alot of extremely helpful advice, maybe it's worth a visit.
For the time being, try and enjoy your wedding preparations and once you have the energy to face it, make sure you do your research, if this is what you want. Sometimes these doctors need alot of persuasion, but you are the patient afterall, and they must listen to you. ------------- Lou http://www.babysfirstsite.com">
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Posted By: Kazper
Date Posted: 01 January 2009 at 11:53am
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Thanks Lulu,
I think part of me has just given up because I spent so much of my time and energy looking up all these different things for the last few years and I am over it. However, anything is worth it to get a baby at the end of the day, so when I have the energy again, I will look into it. Thank you for your support. Karen
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Posted By: mtjt
Date Posted: 18 January 2009 at 2:50pm
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Hi Kasper
Just reading your emails and I just wanted to say i am so sorry to hear that you did not concieve on the first round... So my fingers are crossed for you next time round (are you using extra frozen embryos this time??) GOOD LUCK!!
Do let us know how you getting on ... cheers mtjt |
Posted By: Kazper
Date Posted: 21 January 2009 at 3:36pm
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Hi guys,
Thanks for your post mtjt. Just letting everyone know how I am doing. Have been very positive. I got my first "friend" after the last ivf today so have been a little teary and emotional. Didn't help that a friend took it upon herself to take light of my situation and throw in her "2 cents worth" of her minor problems being exactly the same as what I am going through and that she does not understand woman like me who end up giving up or won't do fostering or adoption etc. If only these woman really knew what it is like to go through this stuff. Do any of you guys get that from friends. Its hard to love them when they say stupid things like that. I could never and will never put myself in a situation where I grow attached to a child to have them taken off me the next week. Anyway, just blowing steam!!!! 
Regards Kaz |
Posted By: tarn22
Date Posted: 21 January 2009 at 3:59pm
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hi kazper,
some people have no tact, and also dont realise that we (fertility challenged) are very touchy and sensitive on certain subjects, i found i got irritated at EVERYONE for most things they said because to me it just seemed so rediculous they could dare say some of the stuff they say! like even things like "what is meant to be will be!" someone (clsoe friend) text that to me and i nearly had a car accident i was so wound up! i wanted to punch her. my fingers are crossed for ya next transfer there are success storys out there so keep strong the only person who will really understand your journey is ya hubby and you so lean on each other  ------------- IVF#1 BFP :) http://lilypie.com"> 
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Posted By: Kazper
Date Posted: 08 February 2009 at 10:36am
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Hi everyone!
Thanks for your post Tarn. I totally understand what you are saying. I haven't been on this site for a while. I got married a couple of weeks ago and have been away on honeymoon. I am feeling more relaxed than ever about everything. Unfortunately I did lose that friend I spoke about in my last post. She is one of 5 sisters that were like family to me. She was going to be my bridesmaid and decided last minute that she hated the dress and it was not flattering for her - by the way, its a gorgeous dress and everyone else loved them - she also said she didn't want to get ready with me on the day because she wanted to be home with her children. Well that was my last straw. When I confronted her about her behavior she said its not something I could understand because I'm not a mother. Needless to say that we are no longer friends and the rest of her family don't want to know me anymore because of my falling out with one of them. I see it as a fresh start and now I can choose to be around people who are more sensitive to what I am going through. Anyway, just blowing a little more steam I guess. My wedding day still turned out perfect and had the best honeymoon ever. This year is my year and everything will turn out for the best
My husband and I visited a man the other day who went through 3 ivf cycles. Both him and his wife were deemed infertile and they would never have children. They now have five children conceived naturally and another 2 children via adoption. Was really cool talking to him. He didn't push the whole miracles happen and we might conceive naturally. He was just understanding and helpful with questions. Anyway, gotta go now. Regards Kaz |
Posted By: honeybun
Date Posted: 08 February 2009 at 11:39am
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Congratulations kazper on your wedding, what a good start to the year. It sounds like that friend wasn't a true friend and is someone I think you can do without. Times like these test us but also show who we should have in our lives and you need good positive people. They may not all understand exactly where you are at but the right people still have the love to just be there for you. Good luck for this year. ------------- Mum to a gorgeous 5yr old girl and a beautiful baby boy. |
Posted By: ScaredyCat
Date Posted: 09 February 2009 at 11:30am
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Hi Kazper,
Good to see your back and that your wedding day was a great day for you and your hubby, congrats!! Totally agree with what Honeybun said above, a true friend would not have done what your friend did especially if she knew what you have been through lately and you are better off without that sort of friendship! I hope this year turns out to be a successful year for you!! ------------- TTC # 1 - 7.5 years 2 x IVF - 4 x Trf 3 x BFP's 3 x M/c  Feb 09June 10Sept 11
2 Blasties on Ice
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Posted By: Kazper
Date Posted: 17 February 2009 at 7:59am
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Thanks for your support guys!
Things are going really well for me and my husband. We are currently discussing the option of adoption. There are so many different options and we want to check out all avenues. We are really excited. Kind regards Kazper
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Posted By: Kazper
Date Posted: 22 February 2009 at 2:29pm
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Hi again everyone,
Well I have been doing so much research on adoption and looking on the internet, that I think my brain is going to explode. We are now also thinking we really want to go for donor embryo as well. We were unsure about this at first because we thought that we would never find someone who would be willing to donate their embryos, but decided we want to give a shot anyway. So if there is anyone who reads this and has any spare little embryos they have been lucky enough to not need and would like to donate, please give me a buz.
Kazper |
Posted By: fionae
Date Posted: 22 February 2009 at 9:05pm
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Hi Kazper,
So glad that your wedding and honey moon was the best ever. My wedding day was the best ever....I am sure this year is going to be a great one for many of us....It's going pretty well for me this far! Take care and keep up that research! ------------- http://lilypie.com"> 
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Posted By: Kazper
Date Posted: 01 March 2009 at 1:38pm
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Thanks Fionae,
Your right about this year. It really is our year!
Kazper |
Posted By: mtjt
Date Posted: 16 March 2009 at 4:57pm
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Hi everyone
Well here i am our 2nd attempt coming up which we have been booked for public funded in July this year (july cant come soon enough for me!). Our first attempt was a private cycle (we paid $10k!!! we did have 10 good eggs, 6 fertilised, but only one 6 cell grade embie.. not good a all. and BFN after the dreaded 2ww Our situation is that im all ok, but my DH had vas reversal and has antibodies, so hence we are doing the IVF ICSI...We both have lots of emotions and yep was extremely difficult to hear the bad outcome of our recent attempt, however we have been told that their is no explanation why, just that this time could be much better...... Has anyone else had the same/similar result??? would be good to know?? i hope and pray this time will prove sucessful..
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Posted By: Kazper
Date Posted: 16 March 2009 at 8:16pm
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Hi mtjt,
My first was kind of similar, except we have been doing ICSI from the start. The first go was a disaster and left me feeling very uneasy about the second, but then the second was a breeze - even if we didn't get the end result we had hoped for. Your doctor is right, don't stress! (easier said then done, I know!) unfortunately everything with ivf is a bit of a gamble. Our doctor said that he wasn't sure why things went wrong for us the first time either. We had 14 eggs and only one survived, so know what its like to get megga excited only to be shot down!! And just to update everyone here, I am going back to have my frozen embryo from cycle 2 replaced tomorrow and feeling very positive. Can't wait!!! Will let you all know how I get on. Karen
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Posted By: honeybun
Date Posted: 17 March 2009 at 9:35am
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Well done Karen, best of luck for tomorrow and fingers crossed for the best outcome. ------------- Mum to a gorgeous 5yr old girl and a beautiful baby boy. |
Posted By: ScaredyCat
Date Posted: 17 March 2009 at 2:16pm
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Hi Karen, good luck for today!! Hope it all goes well for you, fingers crossed!! ------------- TTC # 1 - 7.5 years 2 x IVF - 4 x Trf 3 x BFP's 3 x M/c Feb 09June 10Sept 11
2 Blasties on Ice
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Posted By: Daizy01
Date Posted: 17 March 2009 at 2:53pm
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Hey Karen, good luck vibes from me as well. It will go well for you I am sure. ------------- 2 ICSI Cycles (Both BFN) |
Posted By: Kazper
Date Posted: 21 March 2009 at 5:17pm
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Hi everyone,
My embryo survived which was a great relief in its own. I get my beta test done next Saturday so have another whole week to get through. Did any of you have that feeling with all the ivfs whether you actually just knew what the outcome would be. The first one I just thought "no it didn't work this time" and then the second time I was sure something had happened, and well it sort of did but didn't last and now again I feel just like the first time "nope, doesn't feel right". I wonder if I have good instincts or if I really don't know, but just looking for signs etc. Rrrggghhh the waiting games sucks, but then I don't really want the results either!! I'll let you guys know the outcome! Kaz |
Posted By: Kazper
Date Posted: 28 March 2009 at 9:04pm
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Hi everyone!!
I have very happy news! I'M PREGNANT!!!
I cannot believe it. We had less that 25% chance in this working and it has. I just cannot believe it. Funny! after about 2 minutes of jumping up and down, now I am totally freaking out. This is such a crucial time and I am so scared of losing it. I have to have another blood test on Wednesday to confirm ongoing pregnancy and probably every week after that until scan. I just don't want to lose this moment. So anyway! I'M PREGNANT!
Will keep you posted! Regards Kazper |
Posted By: fire_engine
Date Posted: 28 March 2009 at 10:07pm
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YAY!!!!
I've only been lurking briefly but it sounds like you've be on one hell of a journey so DOUBLE TRIPLE YAY!!!!!! ------------- Mum to two wee boys |
Posted By: mylilmosaic
Date Posted: 28 March 2009 at 10:46pm
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Congratulations Kazper awesome news. I have been following your journey in the hope that there would be great news at the end of it. Especially as we may well be going down the IVF road ourselves.
Heres to a H & H eightish months to come  ------------- http://lilypie.com">
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Posted By: Kazper
Date Posted: 29 March 2009 at 10:04am
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Thanks guys!!!
It still has not sunk in. I was such a skeptic and didn't believe it would happen for us, so in total shock still
In fact, I was feeling my normal period cramps a week leading up to test. Anyway, can't wait for the next four weeks to go so I can have a scan and start telling people. My husband is out today with his brother stocking our wood supply to keep me warm through winter - he a hunny!!! Anyway, gotta go Thanks everyone!!
Regards Kazper |
Posted By: Rachael21
Date Posted: 29 March 2009 at 11:19am
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Congrats Kazper thats so exciting I've been having a bit of a lurk this morning and just read this whole thread, sounds like a long road for you guys.
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Posted By: ScaredyCat
Date Posted: 29 March 2009 at 5:20pm
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Oh wow Karen thats fantastic news, I've just quickly looked in here and seen your post.
Congratulations to you both you must be over the moon, you soooooo deserve some good news at long last, so happy for you!!! What a journey huh, but all worth it in the long run. Look forward to hearing how you going. ------------- TTC # 1 - 7.5 years 2 x IVF - 4 x Trf 3 x BFP's 3 x M/c Feb 09June 10Sept 11
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Posted By: Nutella
Date Posted: 29 March 2009 at 10:08pm
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Congrats Kazper, that is very good news. Look after yourself and enjoy! ------------- 
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Posted By: Daizy01
Date Posted: 30 March 2009 at 1:43pm
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Hi Kazper,
I am so thrilled to hear of your fantastic news. Well done, hun. All the best with the next few weeks. Relax and chill out, girl. Take care. ------------- 2 ICSI Cycles (Both BFN) |
Posted By: Shezzey
Date Posted: 30 March 2009 at 11:29pm
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Very Well Done Kasper!! I am sure you have inspired a lot of us who have followed your journey... |
Posted By: Kazper
Date Posted: 31 March 2009 at 6:00pm
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Thanks so much everyone
I am over the moon. I have my first follow up blood test tomorrow. I am very nervous. Will keep you all posted. Love Kazper
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Posted By: Shopa
Date Posted: 01 April 2009 at 2:21am
| Kazpar I was reading your message on Sunday saying you found you were pregnant after thinking your period was coming. I was having stomach cramps too and thought the same but after seeing your post thought there is some hope! My cramps have been getting worse and now I have a bloated tummy and getting headaches but today found out I am pregnant!!! I can still hardly beleive it! How are you feeling? are you still getting cramps like me? I think it is over stimulation of the ovary's brought on by the pregnancy. I think some women get this and can last a few weeks into the pregancy. I am finding the nights difficult...but hey I will do whatever it takes! |
Posted By: Kazper
Date Posted: 01 April 2009 at 5:58pm
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Oh my gosh CONGRATS!!!
So cool someone else experienced the same thing. Yes I am still getting the cramps and oh I love them, it makes it so much more real. I have headaches, moodswings every now and then and my tummy is so bloated I can't wear my normal pants because of discomfort. It so funny, it looks as though I am already showing. I am so happy for you and that my post gave you hope. The cramping and bloating is so normal, My sister said she had that before 4 weeks just like us and it lasted a couple of weeks. I don't care how ever long it lasts. One night I felt just fine and panicked about it, but just know that it apparently can come and go. I had my follow up blood test today and that went so well. They actually gave me the option not to have follow up blood tests because it didn't seem necessary. So now I just have to wait another 3 weeks to have my scan. I still can't register that I am pregnant. I been having dreams, making plans etc!
Oh I am so over the moon. I will add you to my buddy list so we can be preg mums together. From Kazper |
Posted By: Shopa
Date Posted: 02 April 2009 at 6:26pm
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Kazpar
It is really comforting to know someone else is having the same symptoms and that its normal! I am having to wear different clothes too now as it looks like I am showing and I'm trying to hide it at work so people dont say anything he he. My headaches have been really bad and only just managing it with panadol and panadine -it came on Tuesday night and hasn't really gone away. It gets quite bad at night. The nurse didn't seem to think it has anything to do with the bloated tummy ect but I think it must! I know what you mean though I would panic if all my symptoms disappeared! Have my follow up blood test on Saturday. I'm so excited I can hardly believe it. I am tempted to go and do some secret baby shoping for 'good luck', and I know what you mean about the dreaming. I feel so lucky that this has happened to us! It also really gives me faith in IVF and for everyone else out there! And for us it happened on the first cycle so we are doubly lucky. I have added you as a buddy too it will be cool to have a pregnant buddy! |
Posted By: Kazper
Date Posted: 06 April 2009 at 5:36pm
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Thanks Shopa,
I have sent you an email to your private inbox. Just updating everyone, I have my first appointment with a midwife this Wednesday. I am so excited. It makes it feel so real. I thought I should wait, but phoned clinic today and they said there no reason why I should have to wait - especially since it is a small town and I wanted to book the midwife I wanted in quickly. My first scan is in 3 weeks, so I am really excited about that. I best the next 3 weeks will really drag now. Anyway, that's my update Regards Kazper
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Posted By: honeybun
Date Posted: 08 April 2009 at 11:45am
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BIG congratualations Kazper - I'm am so happy to read your news. ------------- Mum to a gorgeous 5yr old girl and a beautiful baby boy. |
Posted By: Kazper
Date Posted: 08 April 2009 at 5:27pm
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Thanks honeybun!
I had my first midwife appointment today. It went well. Still doesn't feel all that real. I have my moments where I am like "oh my gosh I pregnant" and most of the time it just doesn't feel real. I'm sure once I see the baby on scan, it will be different
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Posted By: bubbles
Date Posted: 19 April 2009 at 8:35pm
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HI, congrats Kazper - its so great to hear positive IVF news.
I thought I might as well post in this conversation / thread because we have just decided to try IVF a second time. Starting the ball rolling in a couple of weeks time with the pill again I guess. I will feel more confident this second time, knowing what Im in for etc. Is anyone else starting again soon? |
Posted By: Sarahlou
Date Posted: 20 April 2009 at 1:24pm
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Hi Bubbles...
Well Im booked in to have my next Embryo transfer on Wednesday... Im so excited but really scared at the same time. We have embryos frozen from our first cycle so we are lucky in that way, but it doesnt really make it any less stressful apart from the fact I dont have to inject drugs at this stage... How are you feeling Kazper?? are things still going ok?? ------------- http://counters.families.com"> 
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Posted By: ScaredyCat
Date Posted: 20 April 2009 at 7:34pm
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Heya Bubbles and Sarahlou, yep we are in a similar boat starting again with a frozen embie next month.
Like you say exciting but scary still, but at least you know what to expect. Wishing you both the best of luck!! ------------- TTC # 1 - 7.5 years 2 x IVF - 4 x Trf 3 x BFP's 3 x M/c Feb 09June 10Sept 11
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Posted By: Kazper
Date Posted: 21 April 2009 at 5:26pm
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Hi everyone,
I wish you all the very best for your up and coming ivf. Yes it will be very scary and very exciting at the same time. It is so hard to keep a balance at times and my thoughts are with you all. I'm doing really well. I have my 8 week scan this coming Monday, so very scared about that. I have a friend due with twins from ivf, but has had a miscarriage also from ivf. She thought everything was fine, but then when they got the 8 week scan, they couldn't find a heart beat. That certainly freaks me out every now and then, but I try my hardest to be positive. I am getting major morning sickness at the moment and that is apparently a good sign. If anyone has any questions about their ivf, just ask away. I remember when we used our frozen embryo, I thought the chances were so slim, but after actually going through it and doing more research, it is actually much better. Your body doesn't have the drugs in it and it allows the embryo to do its thing in a much more natural way. So my fingers are crossed for you guys. I would love to have a few more preg ladies to chat with. Love Kazper
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Posted By: Sarahlou
Date Posted: 21 April 2009 at 6:26pm
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Im sure everything will be fine Kazper... I know its always hard not to think of the bad things as well as the good! But you know that saying (that Im sure you are sick of because I know I am) "try to stay postitive". All the best for Monday... I have everything possible crossed that you will see that tiny little jelly bean with a good heart beat
That will be my biggest problem, the trying not to worry thing... If this embryo (that they are transferring tomorrow) works we wont get the all clear until 24 weeks ... so they will be scanning me from 8weeks, every week until 24 weeks! its going to be sooo nerv raking, but worth it to know we wilhopefully get the healthy baby we so dearly want.... fingers crossed our next bub has a SUPER strong heart
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Posted By: Kazper
Date Posted: 23 April 2009 at 5:25pm
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Wow! thanks Sarahlou,
It certainly puts things into perspective when you hear others stories. I can't believe you have to wait until 24 weeks. You are right, it is all totally worth it and I have my fingers crossed for your little embryo. I think I just have my moments. Most of the time I am good. I feel as though I am living in a dream world! hehe! I have a friend who is two weeks off from her due date with twins. She got pregnant through ivf and she said she still can't believe and it doesn't feel real. Some people say they feel that way even after the baby is born! I have a lot to be grateful for and every day is a new day and closer to the safe zone! Thanks Sarahlou Take care Kazper |
Posted By: Sarahlou
Date Posted: 24 April 2009 at 1:55pm
Man I hate this waiting Game!!!!!!! I have almost convinced myself that Im not pregnant! I know thats sounds silly but I just don't want to get my hopes up too high  Bloodtest is due on the 3rd so 9 more sleeps till I find out... I keep waiting to feel pregnant but I just don't! Its silly because I didnt really get any symptoms that I can remember after we had Ryan put in as an Emby..... Now Im just talking complete and utter s**t! 
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Posted By: Kazper
Date Posted: 24 April 2009 at 6:23pm
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Oh sweety!
Been there done that. I tell you this time I was convinced I was not pregnant. I felt so normal and un-pregnant that I had worked myself into a total state and was crying and yelling at hubby that I was pissed of I wasn't pregnant. It took me to stop crying for him to tell me that I was actually pregnant. I was like "but I can't be, I don't feel anything". I even had all the period cramps coming on and everything. It is totally normal for you to feel that way. You don't want to be heart by a negative so you convince yourself to protect yourself - even though deep down you will be hurt anyway. I'm not going to do the whole "be positive, enjoy this time" thing, because I know that is not what you want to hear. So just know you can email anytime. My thoughts are with you and I will send a silent prayer for that little embryo. Do try taking something up during the next week or so to try putting your mind on something else. You don't want to be bored or have too much time to think about it to much. Take care Kazper
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Posted By: Sarahlou
Date Posted: 27 April 2009 at 10:43am
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Well Im glad that weekend is over...one week to get through before I have my blood test on sunday!
Been having a bit of little aches and pains in my lower abdomen and been feeling really light-headed... not sure if these are good sigh or signs at all! It could all be my imagination playing tricks on me
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Posted By: Sarahlou
Date Posted: 27 April 2009 at 10:43am
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Well Im glad that weekend is over...one week to get through before I have my blood test on sunday!
Been having a bit of little aches and pains in my lower abdomen and been feeling really light-headed... not sure if these are good sigh or signs at all! It could all be my imagination playing tricks on me
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Posted By: Kazper
Date Posted: 29 April 2009 at 5:32pm
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Nearly there Sarahlou!
Keep thinking positive and try your hardest to find something to keep you busy - but not stressful busy. Don't know what to say about those symptoms. Everyone experiences very different things and when your mind is constantly thinking about things, it can certainly play on you. If those pains continue though and the light-headedness as well, give the clinic a call. Let me know how you get on. Kazper
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Posted By: tulips
Date Posted: 03 May 2009 at 9:28am
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Sarahlou
Thinking of you today. G O O D L U C K! |
Posted By: Sarahlou
Date Posted: 03 May 2009 at 3:28pm
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Posted By: Kazper
Date Posted: 03 May 2009 at 4:28pm
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Oh Sarahlou!
Sending big big big hugs
I am so so sorry for you. This is a really hard time and you need to take your time to deal with it. Maybe you should take a day or two off and just feel how you want to feel. If you need anyone to talk to, just flick an email. Take care hun!! Love Kazper |
Posted By: tulips
Date Posted: 03 May 2009 at 5:16pm
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Sarahlou
I am very sorry to read the bad news. You will be disappointed. Life can be so unfair. Look after each other. |
Posted By: Country girl
Date Posted: 05 May 2009 at 8:31am
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Hi all,
I am gonna join you all! I had a negative result in March after an early miscarriage, and will be having a natural cycle TER next cycle!! Havent had a TER before so more learning ahead! Bubbles - great to read that you are having another cycle. Good on ya.... |
Posted By: Kazper
Date Posted: 05 May 2009 at 6:59pm
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Hi Country Girl!
Sorry to hear about your bad outcome in March. Will be routing for your frozen embryo. I really liked having a natural cycle. It took a lot of stress off and allowed the embryo to do what it should without interference from drugs. Keep us posted. Kazper |
Posted By: Kazper
Date Posted: 25 May 2009 at 7:08pm
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Hi everyone,
This is just an update! I'm 12 weeks now and in the safe zone (just). I have my first scan this Friday. I hope everyone here is doing well and would love to hear how everyone is. Kazper |
Posted By: avkiwi3
Date Posted: 27 May 2009 at 10:15am
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That is great news Kazper
I am just coming to terms with the fact that our first cycle didn't work. I know it is not a guarantied thing but I am still hugely disappointed. We didn't have any frozens so have to start from scratch. I know I want to do another cycle but right now find the thought of doing this all over again quite daunting. We have a follow up appointment booked for the 7th July. Can anyone tell me what usually happens at this appointment? My thoughts are that they will go through what happened on the first cycle and answer any questions we have. I am also hoping they will cover what the next step is and how long it will take. We are on public funding and I know we are eligible for another cycle, but do we go back to the end of the waiting list? ------------- 1 5.5 year old girl (natural) TTC#2 4+ years 2x Ectopic (both tubes removed) 1 pregnancy of unknown location between ectopics (was probably in the tube) IVF Mar 31st - 1x D2 embie BFN no frosties |
Posted By: avkiwi3
Date Posted: 27 May 2009 at 4:47pm
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I decided to ring the clinic and ask. The lady at the desk was lovely and very comforting and I am so glad I called.
I have asked to be put on a list to be called in at short notice if they have any cancellations. The wait for the 2nd cycle will be about aug/sept I feel a lot less anxious now. I feel the best way for me to cope right now is plan the next cycle. ------------- 1 5.5 year old girl (natural) TTC#2 4+ years 2x Ectopic (both tubes removed) 1 pregnancy of unknown location between ectopics (was probably in the tube) IVF Mar 31st - 1x D2 embie BFN no frosties |
Posted By: AmyRay
Date Posted: 28 May 2009 at 10:10am
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Hi all,
Ive decided that i am going to join this thread too! I have just been through a similar experience as avkiwi3. My follow up appointment is the 14th of July. We got a BFP but sadly found out at our scan on Tuesday that our baby had stopped growing and we are currently waiting to MC naturally. This is our 3rd MC (one each year for the last 3 years) so i know feel very nervous about entering a 2nd cycle of IVF with PGD. We lost one baby after conceiving naturally and then the 2nd loss with through IUI. They then found i have a genetic chromosomal disorder which is causing the miscarriages. So we then were put onto the publically funded cycle for IVF with PGD. I feel like we might have to wait for ages to go through the cycle again?? How do you get past all the nerves and pain from this not being successful? Any thoughts.......... ------------- 26yrs old TTC 5yrs Endometriosis & Chromosomal Disorder Natural Jun 07 - BFP but MC at 11.5 wks
IUI Jun 08 - BFP but MC at 11.5 wks
First IVF/PGD Cycle Mar 09 - BFP but MC at 6 wks
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Posted By: AmyRay
Date Posted: 28 May 2009 at 10:50am
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avkiwi3 - you inspired me to ring the clinic also!! I talked to the nurses there and they have put me down on the waiting list for IVF/PGD. The waiting lists appear to be short at the moment so thats great! They hope that i will get in for another cycle as early as aug/sept. The september one will probably be better as i can then get my operation done on my endometriosis first.
Your right, i do think for me too, organising the next cycle is the best thing to get over the last one. I definitely feel less anxious now ------------- 26yrs old TTC 5yrs Endometriosis & Chromosomal Disorder Natural Jun 07 - BFP but MC at 11.5 wks
IUI Jun 08 - BFP but MC at 11.5 wks
First IVF/PGD Cycle Mar 09 - BFP but MC at 6 wks
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Posted By: avkiwi3
Date Posted: 28 May 2009 at 11:15am
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Oh no Amy
I am glad to have helped :) Looks like we will be doing our second cycles around the same time. If you ever want to chat on the phone or get together for a coffee just semd ne a PM - same for anyone else ------------- 1 5.5 year old girl (natural) TTC#2 4+ years 2x Ectopic (both tubes removed) 1 pregnancy of unknown location between ectopics (was probably in the tube) IVF Mar 31st - 1x D2 embie BFN no frosties |
Posted By: AmyRay
Date Posted: 28 May 2009 at 2:10pm
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Thanks avkiwi3.
Yea it seems that way with our cycles. I do want to have another laproscopy done first though before i start this next cyle but it would be good to be going through this at the same time ------------- 26yrs old TTC 5yrs Endometriosis & Chromosomal Disorder Natural Jun 07 - BFP but MC at 11.5 wks
IUI Jun 08 - BFP but MC at 11.5 wks
First IVF/PGD Cycle Mar 09 - BFP but MC at 6 wks
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Posted By: AmyRay
Date Posted: 28 May 2009 at 3:43pm
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p.s. CONGRATULATIONS Kazper!! Its great when you know that you have made it to that "safe zone". All the best for the rest of your pregnancy. ------------- 26yrs old TTC 5yrs Endometriosis & Chromosomal Disorder Natural Jun 07 - BFP but MC at 11.5 wks
IUI Jun 08 - BFP but MC at 11.5 wks
First IVF/PGD Cycle Mar 09 - BFP but MC at 6 wks
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Posted By: Sarahlou
Date Posted: 28 May 2009 at 4:14pm
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Hi AmyRay...Im so sorry to hear about your losses... but to answer your question...How do you get past all the nerves and pain from this not being successful?
You don't...... you just get better at recovering from the bad news (in my experience) but unfortunaly for some of us this is the one things we want so much in the world and it just kills us every time we here the words "I'm sorry but you not pregnant".... No matter how hard we try not to get our hopes up!
We just have to talk to our hubby's or partners about what we are feeling, cross our fingers and do everything WE can to make our dreams possible.... Never give up...miracles can happen I reckon...... ------------- http://counters.families.com">
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Posted By: tulips
Date Posted: 28 May 2009 at 5:56pm
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Hi all
I have my review appt on June 11th. DH & I are trying natural fertility treatment, detox, etc before the next cycle. I got a neg result about 3 weeks ago and the clinic want to start the next cycle in June. I'm hoping I can postpone the next round for a few months. |
Posted By: bubbles
Date Posted: 28 May 2009 at 9:36pm
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Hi everyone, I havent been on ohbaby for a while, but am back for a stint because Im in the early phase of my second round of IVF and its nice to give and receive a bit of support.
Day six of buserilin today, and my last day of the pill. BT to see if down regulated next Wed. Does any one else put on a bit of weight / fluid with Buserilin?? I notice it because im normally fairly lean but now have a small spare tire....its possibly due to an excess of chocolate brownies, but I like to think its buserilin..... All the best to everyone else mid IVF # 2! |
Posted By: AmyRay
Date Posted: 29 May 2009 at 10:17am
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Thanks Sarahlou. I feels a little easier to deal with this time but only because we didnt get as far along with the pregnancy i think. Still sad and frustrating but we are trying to stay positive & just look forward to our next round of treatment.
tulips - good luck with whatever you decide to do. Im sure the clinic will be happy to postpone the treatment for you. You will know when you feel ready. Hi bubbles! Just wanted to say that i am quite lean and tall myself and with my last IVF round i put on quite a bit of weight around my stomach and i definitely think it was caused by the buserilin. I seems to have gone down a bit now. Best of luck with your cycle ------------- 26yrs old TTC 5yrs Endometriosis & Chromosomal Disorder Natural Jun 07 - BFP but MC at 11.5 wks
IUI Jun 08 - BFP but MC at 11.5 wks
First IVF/PGD Cycle Mar 09 - BFP but MC at 6 wks
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Posted By: Kazper
Date Posted: 29 May 2009 at 6:56pm
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Hi everyone,
How long have I been gone. It's great to see you all using this post and getting to know one another and support one another. Just so you guys know, I only had one shot on my first ivf treatment to and it was very scary going into the second one. The best thing to do is try to remain positive. Easy said then done I know!! but I'm living proof of that hope. Oh yeh! I gained weight while doing ivf treatment to. Was quite bloated all the time. Had my first scan today. I am 13 weeks tomorrow. The lady who did the scan was really pressing me for the due date. Every time I told her she didn't think it was right because the baby small. She eventually rang the clinic and realised that you can't get more accurate with dates than ivf. So baby fine - just small. I remember the doctor at FA saying that it is normal for ivf babies to be small though. Anyway, best go. Good luck to everyone doing treatment or having treatment coming up. Kazper
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Posted By: bubbles
Date Posted: 31 May 2009 at 4:54pm
| Hey what do you all think about acupuncture? I had it only three times last time - once before EC, once before ET and once after ET and maybe that wasnt enough to really help. My EC is going to be the week of the 15th June, so should I be acupuncturing now? Do you think it really makes much difference or is it just a placebo? If all it does is stimulate blood flow, wouldn't a walk up a wellington hill do that? |
Posted By: Kazper
Date Posted: 01 June 2009 at 4:39pm
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Hi Bubbles,
Can't say I have ever tried it, but I would like to. I have heard so many stories about how much acupuncture helps. I was even going to give it a go for my morning sickness - as a couple of woman swore by it. I would love to hear other woman's ideas on this as well. Kazper |
Posted By: Lollypop
Date Posted: 02 June 2009 at 12:22am
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Hi everyone,
I thought I'd join you over here on this thread after my first ivf cycle in April/May was a big flop (none of our 7 eggs fertilised). I know there's a lot of us from that first cycle of ivf thread in the same boat, bummer eh. We're going to try again in August or September, but I'm off back home to the UK first for 6 weeks in July to see everyone and for my Mum's 80th birthday (it's a lot of commuting when you marry a Kiwi guy). Picking up on Bubbles' thoughts about acupuncture, I've been seeing a practitioner of traditional chinese medicine on and off for about a year now, for herbs and acupuncture. In the early part of a cycle she'll give me treatment to help egg quality, which being 40 is something I'm obviously concerned about, and I take herbs and we discuss the good foods to eat etc. It also relaxes me as I tend to stress out a bit and don't always sleep well. I can't say for sure if it helps or if it is a placebo effect, but I feel it helps and the woman I see, Katrina Gascoyne in Mana outside Wellington, is very experienced in fertility matters and we talk about optimising conception naturally as well as helping me through ivf. So yes it has helped me. A friend in London has also recommended reflexology as being the way to go but I haven't yet explored that one. Though I must admit that right now I'm having a bit of time off and enjoying some wine again...not for long though of course. The best book I've read on conception and assisted conception has been by Zita West, who has a fertility clinic in London, and she stresses the importance of detoxing before a second/next cycle, so it's worth bearing in mind. So here we go again a bit wiser now and good luck to us all 
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Posted By: AmyRay
Date Posted: 02 June 2009 at 9:38am
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Lollypop - Thats really interesting reading about the acupuncture and the detoxing with herbs etc. I am going to start giving some of these a try. I cant really afford to do the acupuncture but the natural products seem good way to start. I too, have been indulging in a few bourbons over the wknd after our bad news. I started bleeding on saturday which made it all the more real
I think its great that there are a lot of us from that 1st cycle thread that are moving on and deciding to do a second round. I am very nervous about doing another round. Like Kazper, i only had one shot with my first IVF. It seems all the more harder too knowing that they have to do the chromosome testing as well as the IVF ------------- 26yrs old TTC 5yrs Endometriosis & Chromosomal Disorder Natural Jun 07 - BFP but MC at 11.5 wks
IUI Jun 08 - BFP but MC at 11.5 wks
First IVF/PGD Cycle Mar 09 - BFP but MC at 6 wks
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Posted By: bubbles
Date Posted: 03 June 2009 at 10:21pm
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HI everyone, I hope you are feeling better sarahlou and anyone else who has had disappointing/tragic news.
Im getting excited now as I just started taking puregon tonight and after my first blood test today everything is looking good. Roll on EC around the 15th! Anyone else mid cycle, having EC or transfer soon? |
Posted By: Sarahlou
Date Posted: 04 June 2009 at 7:57am
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Hi Bubbles...
Well actually Im feeling fabulous!! I got my BFP!!!! found out on Tuesday...Im so stoked.... but it seems that morning sickness has kicked in ALREADY!!! I dont think ive ever heard of anyone getting it this soon I didnt start feeling crook till about 7-8 weeks with Ryan....Hopefully if its started this soon it will finish earlier
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