Elective being a cop out!!??
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Topic: Elective being a cop out!!??
Posted By: LouD
Subject: Elective being a cop out!!??
Date Posted: 16 August 2009 at 3:20pm
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I hate the word elective. when people say "oh your having an elective csection" you can kinda hear it in their voice that they are saying you are taking the easy option, and its not until i explain my other two csections and how i got there that they go.."OH that makes sense to go elective this time" without going into it too much, no matter how much i labour, i would more than likely end up in having another csection anyway and possibly put my life in danger along the way and those people that have that tone in their voice also dont understand the level of extra risk we put ourselves under when we try for a VBAC
Anyone else feel the have to justify your decision to elective?? Edited to add, that i did have one stupid woman say to me once, "oh your one of those people that have babies the easy way" dont ask me how i managed to ignore her, i deserved a medal!! |
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Posted By: cuppatea
Date Posted: 16 August 2009 at 4:02pm
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Yeah I hate the word elective as well, mine was for medical reasons I didn't just choose to have one, who the hell in their right mind would?
My sil said to me a few days before having Spencer "at least you won't have the pain of labour", no I will just have major surgery cos that is sooooooo much easier 
Yep they need another word, like elective for those that choose, medical for those like you and me and then emergency for those who have an emergency ------------- 
 
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Posted By: Brenna
Date Posted: 16 August 2009 at 4:21pm
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I'm having an 'elective' cause baby is breech and I've found everyone to be very supportive and non-judgemental.
I can't comment at the moment, but I can't imagine how anyone would consider it to be the easy way out. Sometimes people say stupid things! -------------  My beautiful 2 girls...nearly 4 and 13 months
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Posted By: Bizzy
Date Posted: 16 August 2009 at 4:52pm
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people who havent had caesars think it is the easy way. Personally having had one i dont know why anyone would choose to have one! ------------- http://www.myfitnesspal.com/weight-loss-ticker"> 
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Posted By: ShellyBR
Date Posted: 16 August 2009 at 6:27pm
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people should keep their opioions to themsleves unless they know all facts. I fully intend to have c-section on this one as i had such a horrendous time on my ds. I wouldn't have even contemplated a vbac when I tell people i am having a c section i don't give them a choice in voicing their opinion as I don't critise them. I think alot of the problems with people developing post natel depression is the pressure people are put under to have the perfect birth the perfect baby and to breast feed with no problems but life ain't like that I would ignore them and do what is right for you and your family ------------- http://lilypie.com"> 
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Posted By: Babykatnz
Date Posted: 16 August 2009 at 9:33pm
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ShellyBR I was like you, I knew I wanted to have an elective as I knew I would not be able to cope going through what i did with my son... I did get my elective in the end (ob agreed that it would be best after reading through my notes from DS) and I am simply amazed (and not in a good way) by the number of people who just go 'oh' and look away when I said I had an 'elective' with DD... I had a crash section with DS and as soon as I say that, its like it makes it 'ok' to want an elective... ------------- Brandon - 05/12/2003  
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Posted By: ElfsMum
Date Posted: 17 August 2009 at 8:06am
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mostly I get 'you should let nature decide your body is naturally made to give birth...it will go great this time' ....like what? so I should just see if he nearly dies this time:(
*sigh* i hate that word too. ------------- Mum to two amazing boys! |
Posted By: LouD
Date Posted: 17 August 2009 at 8:31am
| and its people like britney spears who had electives to save herself any labour etc that give the word a bad name |
Posted By: palomino
Date Posted: 17 August 2009 at 10:53am
| Im so not looking forward to this for next time. Theres no way i can try for a VBAC so it will be an elective. But even with Brennan, I got the whole oh wow you didnt get to experience a painful labour etc... yes cos the 36 hours i laboured before the c sect was a walk in the park. and then major surgery. grrr! |
Posted By: ElfsMum
Date Posted: 17 August 2009 at 2:38pm
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yeah people act like I'm missing out on something awesome if i don't do labour again.. ! ------------- Mum to two amazing boys! |
Posted By: Kazzle
Date Posted: 17 August 2009 at 4:07pm
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hmmm there is so much i could say here, lol
i actually told one lady until she had had kids then she was in no position to tell me how to birth mine. ------------- http://lilypie.com"> 
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Posted By: lilfatty
Date Posted: 17 August 2009 at 7:40pm
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I would have preferred a VBAC but the OB nixt that idea the day before my due date.
After having an "elective" and an emergency ... the elective was actually scarier, so tell them to go jump  ------------- Mummy to Issy (3) and Elias (18 months) I did it .. 41 kgs gone! From flab to fab in under a year  http://www.femininefitness.co.nz/category/blog - LFs weight blog
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Posted By: LouD
Date Posted: 17 August 2009 at 8:00pm
| my MW even said that if i was to go into labour they would still take me straight into have csection!! I would actually be tempted to try a VBAC but no that its way too dangerous!! |
Posted By: Shezamumof3
Date Posted: 17 August 2009 at 10:52pm
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For this birth, I had the choice of either an Elective C Section or trying a VBAC.
So I am trying a VBAC as the thought of another CS scares the crap out of me, I had so many issues after my emergency one with Caden  And I worry about how I will look after Caden once DH goes back to work, not being able to lift and all.
My MIL drove me batty cos she kept saying to me to start with "Ohh have the CS sheena, you wont have to go through the pain of labour again!!" umm yeah I will just have 6 weeks(thats how long my recovery was after I had Caden) of pain after the birth instead and not be able to life Caden and drive etc!!! that sounds so much better than a day or so of labour pain and a sore vjj!!! Honestly some people just dont have a clue! CS are soooo not the easy option, I cant understand why people would think they are as it is major surgery. For me, if this baby isnt here by 41 weeks, then I am having an elective, as I cant be induced due to my last CS only being 14 months ago, and I dont want to end up 2 weeks over due again, like I did with Caden. Im pretty flippin scared of the fact I might have to have the CS and the fact that my VBAC could end up being a CS. ------------- |
Posted By: Babykatnz
Date Posted: 18 August 2009 at 8:46am
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Sheena, I found the recovery from my elective MUCH better than after the emergency one, from what Heidi tells me, our cirumstances were quite similar... with the emergency one I was shattered from days of being in labour prior to the op, and had a large infection in the wound a couple of weeks later
I was up and about and walking around the mall before the end of the first week this time around with no pain Just a thought to help make it not so scary this time around should it come down to another CS  ------------- Brandon - 05/12/2003
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Posted By: ElfsMum
Date Posted: 18 August 2009 at 9:17am
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sheena they won't induce you? they were going to induce me last time and there would have been the same gap?
baby- I hope so..I was in so much pain for weeks after my emergency one.. ------------- Mum to two amazing boys! |
Posted By: lilfatty
Date Posted: 18 August 2009 at 12:18pm
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KA - they wouldnt induce me and I had a bigger gap .. maybe its an "Auckland" thing ------------- Mummy to Issy (3) and Elias (18 months) I did it .. 41 kgs gone! From flab to fab in under a year http://www.femininefitness.co.nz/category/blog - LFs weight blog
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Posted By: ElfsMum
Date Posted: 18 August 2009 at 12:57pm
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lol:) maybe....having said that i never got that far so didn't know for sure..i do know induction is more complicated after a c section ... so maybe they just don't with some people? i must put that on my list of things to ask mw:) ------------- Mum to two amazing boys! |
Posted By: angel4
Date Posted: 18 August 2009 at 1:27pm
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i would just like to say (as a person who had a vaginal birth) i think anyone who has had a c section is sooo brave. It is my biggest fear - infact dh and i were talking about it the other night, and we decided that for any of our children if i end up needing a csection then they need to knock me out. The idea terrifies me. I think anyone who has to make that decision is amazing. you women have gone through major surgery and then had a newborn to look after - i am in awe of you. Tell anyone who has stupid opinions to shove it.
Hope no one minds me posting in here given i didnt have a csection. |
Posted By: cuppatea
Date Posted: 18 August 2009 at 1:55pm
KA, I think that CHCH are very into trying for VBACs and they have that new way of trying to induce you with the catheter, which sounded like so much fun when they explained it to me -------------
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Posted By: sally belly
Date Posted: 18 August 2009 at 2:11pm
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I saw an OB yesterday & he said they won't induce me either. Something to do with it (potentially) causing too much stress on the scar. They will rupture my membranes & I can have syntocin to regulate contractions if needed but that's all.
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Posted By: ElfsMum
Date Posted: 18 August 2009 at 2:12pm
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cuppatea....it's part of what puts me off trying for VBAC cause if i need induction i don't want the horrible new way!:)
angel- in many cases it's just what happens..it's so fast you don't have time to think about it and in my case there was no time for being knocked out but i was also lucky i already had epi. ...personally i think being knocked out would be worse because you miss the birth...? ------------- Mum to two amazing boys! |
Posted By: ElfsMum
Date Posted: 18 August 2009 at 2:13pm
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how bizarre that chc is so different....! ------------- Mum to two amazing boys! |
Posted By: cuppatea
Date Posted: 18 August 2009 at 2:35pm
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The good thing with the new method is that if it works (I was told it has a 50% success rate) then things progress naturally and you don't get the issues of intense labour that you get with the gel which is the reason they don't like to use the gel.
I forgot at my appointment to ask what happens if you are in the 50% that it doesn't work for, not sure if that means that you go straight to c/s or if they would do the gel or whether they can do the drip without the gel. I have no idea. My plan if I went over due was to try the new method and if that didn't work to have a c/s. -------------
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Posted By: Bobbie
Date Posted: 20 August 2009 at 1:21pm
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Yeah I got that with my first one - Umm ok shall I birth her breech then? Sure just find me some medical staff willing to do it.
This time I am choosing a C over a VBAC. The options were laid out for me and TBH it sounds like I have a very small option of a VBAC without it resulting in an emergency C. I'd rather take an elective over an emergency C any day of the week. But maybe I'm weird..... -------------  
 
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Posted By: Babykatnz
Date Posted: 20 August 2009 at 3:53pm
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lol Bobbie, if you're wierd then so was I! I had a large chance of ending with another c-section if I tried for a VBAC so decided I would prefer an elective, no way did I want to risk going through my horrible emergency one ever again!... Luckily the OB agreed lol ------------- Brandon - 05/12/2003
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Posted By: JoJames
Date Posted: 20 August 2009 at 4:28pm
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I think this time if I was told there was a high chance of me having an emergency c-section I would definately go for the C, Dh would also be a big fan because he didn't enjoy the last emergency.
What lame people to say that to you. Good luck for your birth ------------- http://www.alterna-tickers.com"> 
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Posted By: Paws
Date Posted: 20 August 2009 at 5:49pm
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Everyone always has an opinion don't they? I must admit, I do think that people who have a c-section unnecessarily are copping out but I hate that people assume that that is what you are doing. It is that assumption that REALLY brasses me off. I mean as others have said, who in thier right mind who chose to have a c-section?
I'm going to be campaigning for a VBAC this time and it's already been indicated to me that I would have to go into labour naturally, can't be induced and can't have syntocin.(sp?) ------------- http://lilypie.com"> 
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Posted By: lisa85
Date Posted: 21 August 2009 at 9:48am
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It's so funny how completely different peoples experiences are. I had a C because Esme was breech and she was the presenting twin but even if they had told me there was no reason not to do a natural birth I still would have chosen the C as I felt it was the easy option. I was all for coping out lol. All that sweating, pushing & tearing wasn't for me! The recovery was tough but I didn't need morphine and was up the next day. It never stopped me from caring for my girls.
The idea of natural birth has never appealed to me. Looking back now I was probably a wee bit clueless I didn't realise how hard a C can be for most women and yes for most VB is probably the much easier option but on the whole I found mine extremely easy, straight forward and stress free. In fact I actually enjoyed the experience. I know my experience isn't the norm for a C but I will be choosing to do it again if we have another baby. I like the idea of having the control an elective gives me. -------------  
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Posted By: lisa85
Date Posted: 21 August 2009 at 9:56am
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I guess I'm one of those awful people that is fueling the fires that c-sections are the easy option but I try to add that my experience isn't the norm. I've learnt from this site that most hate their c-section experiences. -------------
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Posted By: Bobbie
Date Posted: 21 August 2009 at 10:57am
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Lisa I feel the same about being in control of the situation. I never got upset having had to do a C last time but I know that if I went down the route of a VBAC this time and then got told that sorry I wasn't progressing to the almighty timetable and it was time for my emergency C I would be very upset at having that option taken away from me.
I got told the same thing re: no induction, not allowed to go late, C if needs to come early (Rowan was IUGR) and C if not progressing well enough (whatever that means). But because my ultimate goal is not to have an emergency C I have stipulated that if I actually do go into labour myself then I will have a shot at a VBAC. -------------
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Posted By: ElfsMum
Date Posted: 21 August 2009 at 11:37am
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lisa- i know what you mean...i would much much preferred to be in control and not go through that labour and awful emergency! the whole thing was blah! :) and IMHO missing out on labour would have been great..!
I *think* i will be going for elective c but we will see I guess.. ------------- Mum to two amazing boys! |
Posted By: lilfatty
Date Posted: 21 August 2009 at 1:21pm
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Lisa, just a side note .. subsequent cs's are much harder ops (because of the scar tissue and the body parts have usually moved around). so much so that I was advised not to get pg again as I now have a huge chance of my bladder rupturing during any subsequent cs because of the position and amount os scar tissue in there). ------------- Mummy to Issy (3) and Elias (18 months) I did it .. 41 kgs gone! From flab to fab in under a year http://www.femininefitness.co.nz/category/blog - LFs weight blog
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Posted By: ElfsMum
Date Posted: 21 August 2009 at 1:30pm
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lilfatty is that for most people? (the bladder thing?) or different for everyone? ------------- Mum to two amazing boys! |
Posted By: lisa85
Date Posted: 21 August 2009 at 1:43pm
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Wow lilfatty thats scary I would be interested to see how much scar tissue I have and how much of an issue it would be. However it will be a couple of years before we have another. Who knows I may be convinced to have a VBAC yet lol. I'll have to make a mental note to bring it up if I don't though,. I do have a very small scar. I can't imagine there would be much..... I hope -------------
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Posted By: tishy
Date Posted: 21 August 2009 at 2:08pm
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I know I was told that if I had a twin pregnancy again I would HAVE to have a C/S. However if I had a singleton pregnancy I could try for VBAC.
Aoife was the second baby and IUGR. The reason the OB suggested a C/S was because he didn't know how she would cope with 2 labours and chances were Aoife would come out by Emergency C/S anyway. Like Lisa, I had a positive experience with my C/S. I had a healthy pregnancy and a speedy recovery. (But that I put down more to my Mothers 'workhorse' genes than anything else. Anyone who can milk cows up to 36weeks in a twin pregnancy deserves a medal in my book.) ETA: I also hate the term 'elective'. I had a C/S based on medical advice. Elective to me suggests that I was 'too posh to push'. |
Posted By: Bobbie
Date Posted: 21 August 2009 at 4:11pm
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My MW said I could have up to 4 pregnancies via C sect and my OB doesn't see an issue either.
I guess there is a risk of scarring but I would expect it would be more likely after an emergency C than an elective since your body has been through so much more labouring beforehand. -------------
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Posted By: LouD
Date Posted: 21 August 2009 at 4:15pm
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Too posh to push......hahaha i like that.........we should campaign for it to be called a medical csection instead of elective.
My first was emergency after 18 hours of labour and being induced through a drip. I too had an epi csection. I wasnt in a huge amount of pain and recovered very quickly, which i put down to being young (19). My second I was 28 and i was going to try for VBAC as it was a different Dad and i wanted to do it naturally for him, but after 5 days over due and no sign of even a softened cervix the pain in the pelvis ws getting too much so after making a painful decision i folded and went elective.....but was 11 days over by the time they booked me in.......and then his head was so wedged in pelvis they needed forceps to get him out with a csection, and this same thing happened with my first.........so tall and short of it all, is i have a narrow pelvis and big headed children, so even if i had made it to VBAC i wouldve ended up having quite a full on ordeal and prob a Csection anyway.........but my second was a painful and long recovery and I ended up with an infection which took 3 different types of antibiotics to get rid of and wasnt pretty........ This pregnancy has been such a breeze for me so far that I am feeling very positive about having an elective this time, not gonna beat myself up about it all again, and this time after two babies delivered 11 days over due im getting one early finally!!!!!! and im staying fit by swimming and doing preg yoga in the hope of a faster recovery.......oh and Im determined not to stay in hosp, and want to come up to maternity rooms, so will need to make myself get out of bed for that....so gonna push myself for sure!!! I hated hosp so bad that i managed to get out of hosp day 3 with my second or i was gonna punch someone......hated it so much!!!! and i hated having to press my buzzer every time i wanted my baby out of the crip or put back in........rather be at home where my DH can do all that So thats my two csection experiences ETA - I actually liked the fact my first i had labour and my waters started going cos i feel like i can at least join in a few more conversations about childbirth.......so i dont feel completely left out.........and at the end of the day, as long as the baby is delivered the safest way and its healthy then it shouldnt matter whether we did csection or sucked back a million drugs to get through the labour!!! |
Posted By: lisa85
Date Posted: 21 August 2009 at 9:20pm
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Haha too posh to push, I love it! That's me all the way lol -------------
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Posted By: Shezamumof3
Date Posted: 22 August 2009 at 9:39pm
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K.A, like the others have said, they wont induce because of the stress on the scar, syntocin can cause very strong contractions and fast labours and you want to avoid that with a VBAC, you want things to happen as natural as possible.
My elecetive is booked for 31st August, later than I wanted originally, but Friday was booked up, Thursday is no good for us and I didnt want to do it bang on 41 weeks. So now Im going to be a few days off 42 weeks, if I make it that long, Im hoping I will go into labour any day now... My main reasons for wanting try and avoid a C Section is that it will be hard for me to look after Caden as he is still very dependant on me. ------------- |
Posted By: LouD
Date Posted: 22 August 2009 at 10:21pm
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I am still hoping for you Sheena that things go naturally for you and very soon!!!! The prob with us Csectioners is not all of us have bodies that recognise that we have had a child in the sense that second pregnancies generally go earlier than first, of course that depends on how far into labour we got etc, and since i basically never really dilated at all in the 18 hours of labour with my first, my body would be doing a VBAC as if it was the first one again.....its just a theory but one that seems to be more often than not.
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Posted By: Bobbie
Date Posted: 22 August 2009 at 11:44pm
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Exactly Lou! That's why I doubt that if I were left to my own devices I'd have the baby within the required timeframe -------------
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Posted By: LouD
Date Posted: 23 August 2009 at 2:38am
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Me either i reckon i would go for a 3 dayer after being 2 weeks over due if i ever went to VBAC!! hence why after 5 days over due and no sign anything to come i decided that i was being an egg, cos im pretty sure no matter wat i went through the outcome would be a csection anyway
But in a way, thank god for csections cos with my history i would definetly been a mother that died during child birth back in the olden days |
Posted By: Shezamumof3
Date Posted: 23 August 2009 at 9:24am
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I got to 9.5cm after 46 hours lol, but that was with no syntocin, I went from 6cm to 9.5 very quicky once the epidural was put in, I must have relaxed enough to dilate. ------------- |
Posted By: toniellis
Date Posted: 23 August 2009 at 10:29am
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Sheza thats the main thing aye! You actually DO need to be able to elax to be able to dilate, maybe "relax" is the wrong word LOL but you get what I mean I hope. Personally I think that birth ahs become too medicalised & that is why c-sections seem so necessary. So many OBs give you all the "what ifs" of how a VBAC can turn out bad but there is VERY little info about the "What ifs" of a c-section, they always seem to gloss over it. How many of you know that for EVERY c-section you have there is a good chance your bladder or other internal organs can fuse to each other during recovery & healing? Any subsequent pregnancies are then in danger of causing internal rupture.
I have had two c-sections & for me they were BOTH unnecessary. #3 was such a blissful home waterbirth that I cannot imagine doing it any different if I was to have another baby (which I'm not LOL!). I was in my own home, I was relaxed enough to dilated very quickly & pushed my baby out & it was an experience that was just perfect! My only regret was no pictues during the actual birth. Just over 4.5hours from first contraction to baby pushed out & then I was able to tell my OB to stick his c-section ideas up his bum. C-sections are wonderful if medically necessary but how many of you have unknowingly been pointed towards an elective c-section when a subsequent birth could have been done naturally? ------------- Mum to Alex (11), Blaire (10) & Erika (8) and Damien (6) Successful HWB VBA2Cs! Soon to be surrogate |
Posted By: Bobbie
Date Posted: 23 August 2009 at 10:41am
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My OB and MW were always upfront about the risks of both though being breech I wasn't given an option to VBAC anyway.
I did know about the fusing - one of the reasons I've gone with the OB I have because he also specialises in bladder reconstruction so I figure he knows his way around there better than most (although of course I guess it comes down to how the actual patient heals)-------------
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Posted By: tishy
Date Posted: 23 August 2009 at 1:58pm
This reminds me of the conversation we had with our OB (who has very unique mannerisms and english is not his native tongue) when we asked him to explain why he was suggesting a c-section. "100 years ago, Mothers died, and that was ok" "20 years ago, babies died, and that was ok" "These days, people expect live babies!" And then explained the risk to Aoife  The poor registrar behind him was cringing.
Luckily for him both me and DH have a similar sense of humour. |
Chickielou wrote:Posted By: cuppatea
Date Posted: 23 August 2009 at 3:43pm
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Sheena I was told they would give synoticin (sp?) as they don't want you to be in labour for too long so will speed things up. In actual fact just before my mw checked me and found i was 10cm we were having the "we will try the drip but looks like we might have to bypass the vagina" conversation (at this point I had been labouring for 12 hours and things had been going slowly, but amazing I had actually gone from 4-10cm in under 2 hours which shocked us both a little). They don't like to do the gel though. I don't really know much about induction having never had one so maybe it's different giving the drip if you've gone in to labour naturally?
Each hospital is different as well, I was told I could birth Spencer naturally if I wanted (he was breech) but that they strongly advised me not to as he was my first and they had no idea if he could fit out. I then looked up all the options and decided that in this instance c/s was safest (for him, not necessarily me). Turns out he should of been able to come out as Kyle did and he was huge compared to Spencer (head 2cm bigger than Spencer and nearly 2lb more). I also was not monitored continuously and they let me labour for 14 hours and push for over 2, they used the vontouse in the end because I was in immense pain but if it wasn't for that they were gonna let me keep pushing (the pain was from his shoulder not anything to do with scar). So it really does depend on the medical people around, on their confidence to do a VBAC, there philosophy on it and so forth, and also your mindset, I went into it knowing that I might not get a great outcome and also that I could, if need be, ask to go to surgery, even whilst in labour. And yep I am pleased we live in a time when they are available and not just available but very safe (on the whole) -------------
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Posted By: Paws
Date Posted: 23 August 2009 at 7:03pm
OMG I so agree with this!! it bugs me that there is the automatic assumption that once you have had one c-section you'll only have c-sections afterwards. I really am hoping I can have a VBAC and hubby has agreed to not discount the possibility of a homebirth VBAC (and can I say that I totally blame you and your inspiring story amount several others!!!) ------------- http://lilypie.com">
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Posted By: toniellis
Date Posted: 27 August 2009 at 4:09pm
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LOL Paws!!!
I like to hope that it is something that people will take as encouragement. My home VBA2Cs was AMAZING & just proves how easy birth really should be. I only pushed for 18 minutes which was brilliant for the first time pushing a baby out! There would have to be a very good reason for me to EVER go back to a hospital again to give birth (not that I am having anymore!) as it is just human nature to "interfere". I fully blame the hospital environment for my first two c-sections. Especially for Blaire's birth. ------------- Mum to Alex (11), Blaire (10) & Erika (8) and Damien (6) Successful HWB VBA2Cs! Soon to be surrogate |
Posted By: Paws
Date Posted: 27 August 2009 at 5:15pm
Well you can be assured it has encouraged me....and the good news is I'm looking good for VBAC...I have a midwife who appears to be THE bomb! She was even good for a HBAC but there is a small concern around my meds effect on baby but we can compromise more than likely and use Birthcare instead.  ------------- http://lilypie.com">
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Posted By: lilfatty
Date Posted: 28 August 2009 at 2:38pm
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I have my bladder, bowel and uterus fused together and the uterus was in the middle from cs number one hence the surgeons strong recommendation to not have anymore kids. ------------- Mummy to Issy (3) and Elias (18 months) I did it .. 41 kgs gone! From flab to fab in under a year http://www.femininefitness.co.nz/category/blog - LFs weight blog
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Posted By: ElfsMum
Date Posted: 28 August 2009 at 6:31pm
my doc initially said i couldnt have issues from last c section but went to the other doc at his practice and he says i do.. and that's what my discomfort it...:( did you get many pains etc when pregnant? made me so mad they told me it wasn't that and it is!:)------------- Mum to two amazing boys! |
Posted By: lilfatty
Date Posted: 28 August 2009 at 7:45pm
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KA - I didnt notice any pains other than what I would have called "normal" pregnancy pangs.
I knew I had something funny going on with my bladder though, but thats just because its moved really high up into my torso (although I didnt know that at the time, the surgeon told me after she opened me up and saw the placement of things). ------------- Mummy to Issy (3) and Elias (18 months) I did it .. 41 kgs gone! From flab to fab in under a year http://www.femininefitness.co.nz/category/blog - LFs weight blog
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Posted By: ElfsMum
Date Posted: 29 August 2009 at 11:30am
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yeah I've had what feels like bladder and bowel moving and uncomfy and causing stomach soreness.. ------------- Mum to two amazing boys! |
Posted By: Bizzy
Date Posted: 29 August 2009 at 3:32pm
i for one certainly didnt know that! i know that things dont feel the same in that dept any more and i never expected that either! |
Posted By: Bobbie
Date Posted: 30 August 2009 at 7:59pm
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To play devil's advocate here - you can have some pretty horrific tearing and after effects from a standard vaginal birth too.
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Posted By: LeahandJoel
Date Posted: 31 August 2009 at 8:03pm
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[QUOTE=Bobbie]To play devil's advocate here - you can have some pretty horrific tearing and after effects from a standard vaginal birth too. Yup....had more stitches with my VBAC than with my CS -------------  
 
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Posted By: Shezamumof3
Date Posted: 01 September 2009 at 9:27pm
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I was so worried that id have some damage in there or lots of scar tissue from my emergency CS, but the surgen said that I had very little scar tissue etc and that it was a straigh forward elective, phew,
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Posted By: lilfatty
Date Posted: 02 September 2009 at 9:46am
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I had huge bruising after this one .. It was like someone had biffed a softball at my belly! (I think it was from the clamps) ------------- Mummy to Issy (3) and Elias (18 months) I did it .. 41 kgs gone! From flab to fab in under a year http://www.femininefitness.co.nz/category/blog - LFs weight blog
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Posted By: ElfsMum
Date Posted: 02 September 2009 at 12:10pm
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i must say i never got told what could happen i got told about the epi risks...but nothing about the c-section ones..though i figured as much and am certainly proof even though they say my issues cant possibly be because of c section how come they all started right after!:)
but having said all that to avoid my child potentially dying like was the risk last time i think elective will be the go! ------------- Mum to two amazing boys! |
Posted By: Bobbie
Date Posted: 02 September 2009 at 1:31pm
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Yeah the thing that worries me the most is how many dead legs etc I got after the spinal block. I had problems for about 2 months with pins and needles and dead legs happening when ever I sat still for longer than 10 minutes.
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Posted By: toniellis
Date Posted: 04 September 2009 at 3:42pm
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I still have issues with pins & needles & it has been 3.5 years since my 2nd c-section.
Honestly ladies, I don't think c-section is a cop out & yes normal birth isn't always butterflies & party balloons LOL. But it can be great! I'm proof of that. I did a LOT of research after my c-sections and it was AMAZING the stuff that I learnt & the risks that my OB didn't mention (or I missed because of the scariness of it all) with c-sections. I really wish the information was more readily available & that some real NZ studies were conducted on VBAC and that the risks of c-section vs vbac were better understood. I was even quite disappointed when the first OhBaby magazine came out & there was a question regarding VBAC answered by a so call "expert" and yet it was full of answers which went like "I believe...", "I would imagine..." & "I am unsure...". He only put in his own opinion where he lacked knowledge instead of doing any kind of quick study to find some real MEDICAL facts (like what I have found in medical studies). I was really disappointed with OhBaby in the regard but I guess it can't please everyone. Here I am preggy with an unexpected baby #4 & I guess I will be planning another homebirth ------------- Mum to Alex (11), Blaire (10) & Erika (8) and Damien (6) Successful HWB VBA2Cs! Soon to be surrogate |
Posted By: LJsmum
Date Posted: 05 September 2009 at 6:38pm
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just found this topic.. i hate the word elective like i am chossing to have a c section over a vaginal birth.
I'm not i have to have a c section or the baby can't come out! It's a miracle i can carry a baby anyway. Get annoyed when people say "oh why do you have to have a c section?" Like it's any of their business! I usually say it's because i have a small pelvis (other issues as well) like the fact going into labour could put the baby at huge risk fracture my pelvis and dislocated hips! forceps were used inthe first one as DS was stuck inside my pelvis! I had a c section with DS1 and have to with DS2 and all the other children we are having, there is no other option for me!! Sorry about the rant just get really annoyed... had to say to a work collegue it's none of their business how this baby come out as long as it comes out.! -------------  
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Posted By: LouD
Date Posted: 06 September 2009 at 4:13am
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Today someone was asking when i was due and i said 21st dec but will be having this one early due to csection..........and they said "oh you never know you might not have to have one" they have absolutely no idea why i am having one to start with so i can only assume they immediately thought i was gonna just cop out.............so then i felt like i had to justify myself by saying "yes I will have to have one and no it wont come naturally, not without putting my life and babies life at risk"
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Posted By: RinTinTin
Date Posted: 07 September 2009 at 11:14am
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*lurker in* Just want to say you guys are brave. The thought of natural child birth doesn't bother me but the thought of a csection scares the life out of me. You guys are brave and I would never think anyone here was the "britney spears type" for electives, but instead that you all have good reasons. K...thanks, babye ------------- http://lilypie.com"> 
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Posted By: ElfsMum
Date Posted: 07 September 2009 at 11:40am
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i guess for me too it's hard when mw says they prefer to try for natural birth but ' you have higher chance of rupturing your c-section scar' and other gems like that... so not just babies health to consider..mine too!
I was so naive..natural birth scared the hell out of me but i hadn't really thought about c-section being an option or that it would be so hard(in my case) to recover from) ------------- Mum to two amazing boys! |
Posted By: Paws
Date Posted: 07 September 2009 at 12:05pm
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My MW gave me some stats for rupturing...depending on your circumstances you might be surprised at how low they actually can be!
It's funny, first time around natural birth scared me too, now it's the idea of a c-section the scares the heck out of me! ------------- http://lilypie.com">
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Posted By: Bobbie
Date Posted: 07 September 2009 at 12:15pm
I was at a family thing the other night and my SIL found out I was having a C and said 'why? because you can?' - I'm still annoyed about it. Yeah I'm doing it simply because I can why on earth would I bother to give it any thought? 
It really annoyed me that a) she was asking (no one asks why you have a vaginal birth) and that b) she just assumed I saw it as an easy way out. -------------
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Posted By: LILLIS
Date Posted: 08 September 2009 at 11:15am
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sorry to jump in - only just saw this post :)
I had a c-section with DD 1995 - and it took me years to recover from it. I have constant back pain, suffer from a nerve problem since the epidural. Just been to see my specialist today - he has said try for a natural birth, oh yeah your scar can rupture - i was like WTF? no explanations nothing i am petrified now - I have no idea what labour is like, as DD was elective, and I dont want to have another needle in my back :( sorry whinge over ------------- http://lilypie.com">  
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Posted By: Paws
Date Posted: 08 September 2009 at 12:05pm
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lillis....honestly, get him to give you stats and figures...as i say, they can turn out to be lower than you think! Honestly I hate when "specialists" give thier recommendations/warnings and then don't back them up.
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Posted By: Paws
Date Posted: 08 September 2009 at 12:08pm
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Here you go....your chances of rupture....
If you had a C-Section last time, you can still have a Vaginal Birth this time. Do you know the most decisive factor in whether a woman can successfully have a VBAC ? Age. But not the age of the mom, or the term of the baby. The age of the doctor! That's because doctors used to be educated with the misinformation that uterine rupture was more likely with a vaginal birth after caesarean. But the New England Journal of Medicine published a landmark study in 2004 showing that uterine rupture occurs in less than 1% of VBACs. In other words, a woman who had a C-Section is just as likely to be able to have a healthy vaginal birth as any other woman. ------------- http://lilypie.com">
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Posted By: cuppatea
Date Posted: 08 September 2009 at 2:36pm
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I'm so amazed because at my OB consult the doc really pushed VBAC, she explained the risks of a VBAC but also the risks of having another c/s. She also said that there has never been a rupture at chch womens (which made me think maybe they were due one) She did however scare the crap out of my DH, i however already knew all the risks and wasn't bothered (well i was but you get what I mean).
Labour is not that bad, and on the plus side you honestly don't care what they are sticking in your back or what they want to stick up your jacksy to get the baby out. When the guy was explaining that there is a potential risk to those all sensation in your legs permanently and end up in a wheel chair I thought that sounded great, and when they offered to use the vontouse after I had been pushing for two hours I couldn't have cared less, I would have been quite happy if they had wanted to use a crow bar to get him out. -------------
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Posted By: LILLIS
Date Posted: 09 September 2009 at 9:47am
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thanks ladies- i know I am probably just freaking out for no reason but this is all pretty scary.
this pregnancy is so different to my daughters but I think that is the age gap so I feel like this is the baby # 1 all over again. I wasnt scared then -but I am now - shouldnt it have been the other way around? ------------- http://lilypie.com">
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Posted By: toniellis
Date Posted: 09 September 2009 at 12:47pm
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Lillis, back then you didn't know what could happen whereas now you do? Thats my thoughts anyway....
I remember when I was due with Erika, the OB was fine for me to have a VBA2Cs until right at the end. As I understand it a woman at Middlemore had had a rupture during a c-section & was very touch and go. Suddenly my OB was not so supportive! Even less supportive when I mentioned that I didn't want to have Bubs in a hospital.... LOL ------------- Mum to Alex (11), Blaire (10) & Erika (8) and Damien (6) Successful HWB VBA2Cs! Soon to be surrogate |
Posted By: Paws
Date Posted: 09 September 2009 at 3:02pm
Funny how that makes people's heads spin! i had a similar reaction when i started tossing around the phrase "home birth"  ------------- http://lilypie.com">
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Posted By: becsscolly
Date Posted: 11 September 2009 at 2:39pm
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Hey girls.
Anyone else out there in a similar situation to me? I had an "emergency" (although no real rush) C section, mainly because of a long labour due to baby not sitting on my cervix and things going stop-start. I had syntocin and epidural and got to 9cm, then a C section as baby was getting stressed and still wasn't in the right position. I'm all keen for a VBAC this time, but even though I laboured for a while last time its all a bit scary! How did you find the process of having a VBAC? I kinda feel like this giving birth thing is all completely new and don't really know what to expect... Was your second labour faster? Did you labour but still end up having to have a C section? Any experiences you want to share would be great! Thanks. ------------- http://alterna-tickers.com"> 
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Posted By: cuppatea
Date Posted: 11 September 2009 at 3:04pm
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My birth story is in the birth story thread, not sure what page but I think i wrote about it either in Jan or Feb. I had an elective first time around so a bit different but might still be worth a read and I also started a thread in this section when I was pg for VBAC stories good and bad. -------------
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Posted By: LeahandJoel
Date Posted: 11 September 2009 at 3:09pm
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My VBAC labour was shorter, the contraction pain while the same was also different, IYKWIM!! End result was a forceps delivery after 11 hrs, and about 12 stitches. Home the next day, basically everything was easier after the vbac compared to the cs. -------------
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Posted By: AzzaNZ
Date Posted: 11 September 2009 at 3:36pm
Dont suppose you know what page its on? I'd like to read a few VBAC stories ------------- http://lilypie.com"> 
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Posted By: cuppatea
Date Posted: 11 September 2009 at 4:22pm
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I just looked and it's on page 24, the one below by shellandbella is also a VBAC birth, I think her first was also an elective but not 100% sure about that. -------------
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Posted By: AzzaNZ
Date Posted: 11 September 2009 at 4:38pm
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Posted By: salz
Date Posted: 12 September 2009 at 8:29pm
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Hi, I have the opposite problem I had to have an acute c section which means it happened within 24 hrs of the decision being made so not quite an emergency but not elective because my blood pressure kept rising and my baby was breech. Well it all went really well, I only needed panadol and voltaren for pain relief afterwards I recovered quickly. (sorry to hear of those that had long lasting problems)
So when I have another one I am already getting pressure to have a Vbac which I am scared about. Its hard to want to go through a long painful labour when my C-section went so smoothly but also feel like a complete wuss for not wanting to go through labour. I can certainly understand if somneone didn;t have a very good experience with their c-section to want a VBAC. I hope YKWIM! ------------- http://lilypie.com"> 
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Posted By: ElfsMum
Date Posted: 12 September 2009 at 9:06pm
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yeah i get what you mean...no offense to anyone at all but i really dont care if i never go through labour again..once was enough for me and the outcome was nearly very bad:( ------------- Mum to two amazing boys! |
Posted By: ShellyBR
Date Posted: 13 September 2009 at 5:29pm
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Totally no what you mean. I had such a bad expereince last time I wouldn't have got pregnant again if I thought I couldn't have a ceaser. Like you four eyes it could of ended very badly for me and my son as he jujst could fit out my pelvis. Has a very big head!!!! ------------- http://lilypie.com">
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Posted By: becsscolly
Date Posted: 16 September 2009 at 8:23pm
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Thanks guys.
I had a pretty good recovery from my c-section last time too, and it kinda scares me, not really the going through labour bit (which I did do for a few hours on the gas but don't really remember), but the pushing bit!! ------------- http://alterna-tickers.com">
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