D&C, still bleeding 2 weeks later [:x]
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Topic: D&C, still bleeding 2 weeks later [:x]
Posted By: lemongirl
Subject: D&C, still bleeding 2 weeks later [:x]
Date Posted: 10 September 2009 at 11:59am
Obviously a TMI rant on its way.
My bleeding shows no sign of letting up. Every so often it will stop for a half a day at most and I think to myself 'woohoo!' and then it restarts again.
I made the mistake of going back to my running group last night but had to quit not long into the run due to moderate cramps and sure enough the bleeding had picked up.
It's very very frustrating and I begin to think if it's EVER going to stop.
I thought the point of the D&C was to avoid the weeks of misery associated with a prolonged miscarriage as I was 13 weeks when I had the D&C but the baby stopped growing around 8 weeks.
Has anyone experienced anything similar?
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Posted By: jo1979
Date Posted: 10 September 2009 at 1:28pm
I am having the same frustration and upset (though I am behind you with timing). It's been 9 days and over the last 4 days the bleeding will slow right down, then it's suddenly back again with a vengeance. It's not enough blood to call anyone medical in a panic, but it concerns me that it's still a fair bit and doesn't seem to be tapering off. I looked up some info online last night (always a danger!) and lots of people were saying it was all over after 4 days.
The other thing that is upsetting me is my boobs got bigger with pregnancy and haven't gone back to normal. I keep saying to myself "the baby is dead" "there will be no baby in march" and gradually it has become real, which is hard after a few months of convincing yourself you really are going to have a baby! But boobs popping out of bra do not help. And I refuse to go out and buy new bras - that just adds insult to injury.
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Posted By: jo1979
Date Posted: 10 September 2009 at 1:42pm
Also thanks for the tip on running as I had thought I might give it a go since I can't swim, but I won't bother if it's going to end in tears - I've got enough of that going on anyway!!
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Posted By: Kicker
Date Posted: 10 September 2009 at 1:44pm
I think i had bleeding for about 2 and a half weeks before it tapered off, i also passed a big clot and a huge gush of blood about a week after the DC which the hospital thought could have been retained products. My other pregnancy symptoms took a couple of weeks to settle down to, i think your hormones just need time to sort them selves out.
Lemongirl, i think that i avoided exercise until the bleeding had settled, even though they say that you could go back to it the following day.
Saying all that if you are concerned then you should go back to your GP and have a chat to them, they may want to rescan you to make sure there are no retained products etc.
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Posted By: lemongirl
Date Posted: 10 September 2009 at 2:18pm
Jo, I made the mistake of going online and finding that some women bleed for 4~6 weeks and it is still considered 'normal'.
Sasha, like you, I also passed a big clot and a huge gush of blood but mine was the day of the procedure.
I've already been to the GP as DP and I 'celebrated' what I thought was the end of bleeding one week post-op and I ended up getting an infection.
I might go see her tomorrow if things haven't died down.
It's just so frustrating. I've re-read the pamphlet I got given after the procedure a dozen times and it says bleeding shouldn't be more than 14 days, you can resume heavy activity after a week etc. And it has all turned out to be bollocks.
I'm coming up on 3 weeks of bleeding, had 3 months of pregnancy before that.... grrrr I want my life back!
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Posted By: ElfsMum
Date Posted: 10 September 2009 at 2:29pm
i would see the GP...i had none after the DandC but they had to give me an injection at hospital to stop the bleeding so maybe they can give you that?
------------- Mum to two amazing boys!
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Posted By: lemongirl
Date Posted: 10 September 2009 at 2:43pm
Yeah I ended up with two shots at the hospital as I bled so much I actually covered that plastic sheet they put down and it was seeping onto the sheet,
But yes def. off to my GP tomorrow.
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Posted By: ElfsMum
Date Posted: 10 September 2009 at 4:16pm
yeah same with me..in that case you shouldn't be bleeding so much:( hope doc goes ok tomorrow.. ugh life is so suckful sometimes!:(
------------- Mum to two amazing boys!
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Posted By: MB1970
Date Posted: 10 September 2009 at 4:30pm
Lemongirl and Jo that does sound rough! I think heading to your GP is a good idea... Hope you guys are doing "ok" otherwise .
I am still waiting for something for happen (would have been 14 weeks tomorrow and bub stopped growing at 7...) - my bleeding has pretty much stopped altogether over the past week with the occasional 'show' but that's it. Have booked in for accupuncture so will be interesting to see if that gets things moving - body just doesn't seem to want to catch on. Otherwise might just have to suck it up and have D&C I guess, but if that's going to involve another few weeks of this on off business afterwards, not too keen on that either!
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Posted By: ElfsMum
Date Posted: 10 September 2009 at 5:46pm
mbandbub- generally after a day or two you are fine to go back to work after DandC..
------------- Mum to two amazing boys!
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Posted By: jo1979
Date Posted: 10 September 2009 at 6:14pm
MB you also mentioned a pill option as an in between for d&c/general and natural? Is that something you could have in Auckland? Hope acupuncture makes a difference though and that the person isn't too chirpy about it... (you mentioned the upbeat response to your inquiry on the phone!)
I have been thinking there is no good way to experience any of this. I've really appreciated having a bit of contact with people going through similar things at the same time though. Thanks MB and lemongirl - I'd rather we were still all hanging out in the march forum though! :)
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Posted By: MB1970
Date Posted: 10 September 2009 at 6:26pm
I totally hear you, Jo! And the pill option isn't available in waikato unfortunately.... not able to be referred to Auck either at this stage. Ah well, will see what happens on Tuesday! (and no,Jo, this one was far more solomn and professional! - recommended too (although not for this reason) so that's a bonus
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Posted By: queenbean
Date Posted: 11 September 2009 at 10:40am
Hi hun,
Just wanted to let you know my sister had a miscarriage in April this year, and had the misoprostol pill at Waikato hospital, so they do have that option.
Big hugs.
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Posted By: jo1979
Date Posted: 11 September 2009 at 2:18pm
Hi MB it's midday in Australia where I am at the moment, afternoon for you, wondering how it's going and hoping there's some "progress"
And lemongirl, I hope today is THE day the bleeding stops!
Babies can just die out of nowhere, sadly... So I'm hoping now for good things to happen out of nowhere too... Like bleeding stopping (lemongirl and me), ideal man appearing (MB - I see no reason why you can't meet a GREAT man in the next few months!!), pregnancy happening fast (for any of us who want it - it took 7 months for me to get pregnant the first time and I would love not to take so long this next try)...
Time for some GOOD surprises I say :)
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Posted By: lemongirl
Date Posted: 11 September 2009 at 3:17pm
Urgh. After a few hours of blood tests and finally another bloody u/s they found that I either have leftover products of conception or an injury to a blood vessel. Either way not good an a very long recovery for me.
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Posted By: MB1970
Date Posted: 11 September 2009 at 5:54pm
Ah that's rough, Lemongirl. How frustrating for you Hope you and DH have supportive friends and family around x
And thanks, Jo - I totally agree!! Here's to good news for us all. Hope Aus is fab!
Queenbean - thanks for that - that is very interesting as I was told it hadn't been signed off for use here by the hosp big wigs - hmmmmmmm!! Will give acupuncture a crack and if all else fails will call my private OB and see if he has any suggestions...
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Posted By: jo1979
Date Posted: 11 September 2009 at 7:49pm
Lemongirl what the hell - that is not the kind of good thing out of nowhere I was predicting for us!!! Frack (as they'd say on battlestar galactica) and grrrr and stink.
I had a facial today, as a little "I don't have to save money since I'm not having a baby" activity. Actually it only cost $11 as it was a student training place. But my sentiment was I don't have to save money :) I was thinking I should maybe plan in something for mid march too, something fun so that I can make sure to celebrate life rather than pine the baby that isn't...
My husband is arriving in Melbourne today after being away with work out of cell range for the last 5 days. It will be good to see him.
Dare I ask if things are still ok with your partner's ex and daughter lemongirl, or is that just not even on your list of things to think or talk about at the moment?
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Posted By: NZ-rules
Date Posted: 11 September 2009 at 9:18pm
lemongirl - I'm so sorry that you're having such a rough time. I hope you're back to normal really soon.
MB - I didn't really bleed after my D&C - used a pad for half a day and then was fine and had no pain whatsoever. Just thought I'd let you know that it can be an ok experience (even though it's a sucky situation) if you do decide to go down that route.
Take care of yourselff ladies and you will get through this
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Posted By: ElfsMum
Date Posted: 11 September 2009 at 9:57pm
ugh lemongirl that sucks..
re the DandC it really is a personal thing i think..for me I needed everything over with for my mental state and it was a lot better than my natural mc....but for others it doesn't work out like that:(
i got pregnant 3 months after both mc's so there is hope!
------------- Mum to two amazing boys!
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Posted By: lemongirl
Date Posted: 12 September 2009 at 11:38am
Thanks for your sympathy ladies. I haven't been back to the doctor, but I imagine her advice is going to be 'take it easy no running around' for the next few weeks. Also no means no bedroom antics with poor DP. Argh am going crazy in that regard.
As DP points out, you get pregnant on the pill. That takes some doing!
MB please, please don't base your D&C off my ghastly experience. Apparently I can't even have a drama free miscarriage.
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Posted By: ElfsMum
Date Posted: 12 September 2009 at 12:07pm
lemon girl so they arent giving you another DandC to get the remaining parts out?
------------- Mum to two amazing boys!
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Posted By: lemongirl
Date Posted: 12 September 2009 at 12:41pm
They arne't sure if it is remaing product. If it is, then another bloody d&C is in order. I suppose HcG will show that.
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Posted By: jo1979
Date Posted: 12 September 2009 at 6:06pm
Posted By: MB1970
Date Posted: 12 September 2009 at 8:38pm
I second that!! xx
(Lemongirl, this really sux - what a complete drama for you! (but it's the drama NOT you) Insist on what you want to happen, that's what I reckon. Afterall it's our body so should be our decision I reckon! I'm happy still doing what I'm doing (ie nothing!) but certainly know it'll all get old sometime soon and I'll want some action and if that means d&c then so be it!)
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Posted By: ElfsMum
Date Posted: 12 September 2009 at 9:04pm
lemongirl...grrr.. it can make you quite sick so i hope they are onto it:(
------------- Mum to two amazing boys!
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Posted By: lemongirl
Date Posted: 12 September 2009 at 9:52pm
I was on a round of really, really nasty antibotics last week but have shown no real signs of infection outside of pain. If I overdo things, then boy does my tummy let me know. I had to have an internal ultrasound and was in tears because it hurt.
My swab came back clean... and my blood seems to slowed up today and has become brown instead of red. Hopefully that means things are healing. Looking forward to hearing what's up on monday.
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Posted By: ElfsMum
Date Posted: 12 September 2009 at 10:00pm
hopefully !
------------- Mum to two amazing boys!
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Posted By: minik8e
Date Posted: 12 September 2009 at 10:14pm
MBandbub - queenbean is right about misoprostol. I had a m/c that dragged on for weeks back in 2007, and the hospital gave me the misoprostol. Technically, it's correct that it hasn't been signed off, but it only hasn't been signed off as being fit for that purpose - they use it for stomach ulcers, it's just that one of the side effects is that it causes miscarriage.
I hope things sort themselves out for you lemongirl. I remember your original thread - you've had a pretty crappy journey really, so hopefully it does pick up soon.
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Posted By: MB1970
Date Posted: 13 September 2009 at 7:08pm
Minik8e, so fabulous to see a pic of your precious little ones - congrats!
Lemongirl, have fingers x'ed for you that the news is positive tomorrow.
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Posted By: jo1979
Date Posted: 13 September 2009 at 11:16pm
Yup, let's have some good news tomorrow!!
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Posted By: lemongirl
Date Posted: 14 September 2009 at 9:55am
I passed a large amount of bleeding and clots (soaked through 2 overnight pads) on Saturday night but then the bleeding suddenly tapered off and is now a brown paste. Hopefully that means there is light at the end of the tunnel, I had a clear pad last night.
But I also know that it is entirely possibly that it could re-start again so won't be throwing out my pads anytime soon.
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Posted By: jo1979
Date Posted: 14 September 2009 at 10:10am
I had HEAPS of bright red bleeding and clots when I woke up this morning - after deciding it had all stopped yesterday! Hopefully we are both getting to the end of this tunnel and won't be back in it ever. How about you MB - any action?
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Posted By: MB1970
Date Posted: 14 September 2009 at 1:29pm
Ah guys - you're having a rough time!
My silly body is doing the opposite - nothing! Had about 2 hours of bleeding (but not enough to need a pad change) and 2 clots on Sat night/sun morn (no cramps or anything) and then body has shut up shop again - nothing more. sigh.
Went to m/w at hosp again today - decided to check hcg to see what that is and then have acupuncture tomorrow and a scan on fri. Will see from there I guess!
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Posted By: ElfsMum
Date Posted: 14 September 2009 at 1:49pm
I worry about all of you!!!!:( !! hope everything comes right soon...
------------- Mum to two amazing boys!
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Posted By: lemongirl
Date Posted: 15 September 2009 at 9:11am
I think I'm almost done. Two clear overnight pads and an almost clear pad yesterday.
Doctor's have called and think that is likely retained product.
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Posted By: jo1979
Date Posted: 15 September 2009 at 9:24am
Oh so sometimes retained product doesn't require another D&C? That's (comparatively) good. Well, let's hope that really is it for you. You can go for a run soon! I am looking forward to a swim. I had a half ticket but will sell as I had injury then miscarriage - no way I can get ready in time!
Thinking of you and needles today MB!
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Posted By: lemongirl
Date Posted: 15 September 2009 at 9:40am
To be honest I'm not sure if I'll require it, but I'm really, really hesitant about having another one.
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Posted By: ElfsMum
Date Posted: 15 September 2009 at 10:51am
if i were you lemongirl(and i TOTALLY get you dont want another one) i would get another scan?
for my first one they didnt do any extra scans but for the natural mc they did a scan to make sure that nothing was left over...
------------- Mum to two amazing boys!
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Posted By: lemongirl
Date Posted: 15 September 2009 at 11:08am
I've had the scan so back off to the EPAU to see what's up.
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Posted By: minik8e
Date Posted: 15 September 2009 at 4:00pm
I hope things sort themselves out for you very soon lemongirl!
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Posted By: MB1970
Date Posted: 15 September 2009 at 6:58pm
Thinking of you Lemongirl.
Has your body sorted itself, Jo?
Well had interesting day - saw acupuncturist this morning and he is looking holistically at my whole 'being' - apparently I have a damp constitution and also internalise and retain. Because bub has been so long wanted and hard to obtain, body doesn't want to let it go. Had first course of acupuncture and reike to rebalance system but won't happen overnight.
Also having scan on Fri so mixture of Western and chinese medicine! I'm sure either way we'll get there in the end. Never thought of myself as particularly witchy or nature-ish but there you go :)
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Posted By: jo1979
Date Posted: 16 September 2009 at 4:34pm
Hey MB - love your discovery that you are witchy after all :) Good that there is a plan, however kooky! I think my bleeding is stopping for real this time. Whew. Did the early pregnancy unit do anything helpful for you lemongirl?
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Posted By: lemongirl
Date Posted: 17 September 2009 at 1:20pm
Holy crap what a bloody drama. I should have known trouble was brewing when my doctor's office called at 9 in the morning.
Long story short, I've just spent two days in hosptial being pumped full of IV antibotics and now have another 3 rounds of oral to take for the next 2 weeks. What joy!
My miscarriage stats for those keeping score (and in the hospital that's all I've done)
2 Countries
4 Hosptial Admissions.
31/2 weeks of bleeding
5 Blood tests
2 Scans
2 Rounds of oral antibotics
7 IV Antibotics
2.5 Nights in hosptial
3 GP Visits
and one botched D&C,
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Posted By: MB1970
Date Posted: 17 September 2009 at 5:21pm
Oh man lemongirl that absolutely sux. So so so hoping this is the end of the drama and ordeal for you, and that you and your loved ones can now get on and create a "new normal".
Thinking of you
MaryBeth
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Posted By: ElfsMum
Date Posted: 17 September 2009 at 5:39pm
holy moly..why they didnt just get you sorted in the first place i dont know..:( ugh it sucks you had to go through such an awful experience..
are you feeling better today?
------------- Mum to two amazing boys!
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Posted By: lemongirl
Date Posted: 18 September 2009 at 9:22am
Started bleeding again. Not much just
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Posted By: MB1970
Date Posted: 18 September 2009 at 10:33pm
Grrr for you lemongirl. I so so have my fx'ed for you this weekend.
*TMI below*
Well... hmmm it may well seem that the wichy needles have done the business....woke early this morning with low ache in abdomen then a one-off gush & clots later on. Cancelled scan as was to be an internal one so mw and I thought wouldn't be good idea. Then had 2nd go of acupuncture at 12 today and about an hour afterwards was a complete write off for a couple of hours with intense cramps, bleeding and clots passing (where I also lost my breakfast!). Seems not too bad now. Still a bit tender and sore but relative to earlier is totally manageable (exp with double strength nurofen... ahhhh... drugs!). Am not sure if that's it or what, but guess I'll find out over the weekend. Have another scan booked on Mon and witchy needles on Tues haha!!
TMI over
Hope you all have a great weekend
Take care
MB
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Posted By: lemongirl
Date Posted: 19 September 2009 at 9:51am
MB I'm amazed at your paitence in waiting this long for the process. I'm still going on and off.
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Posted By: MB1970
Date Posted: 19 September 2009 at 10:43am
Not sure if it's patience, Lemongirl but was just what felt right for me - and i totally believe that those of us in this sucky situation can only make the decision that is right for us at that time. Too bad what other people think I reckon!
Hope it's more off than on for you from here on in.
I had good evening and sleep and am now sitting tragically on couch with hot water bottle and ready to run to bathroom if needed! Guess it hasn't finished yet...
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Posted By: lemongirl
Date Posted: 22 September 2009 at 11:35am
I think my bleeding may have stopped *touch wood.*
Still only halfway through my oral antibiotics which make me feel queezy and give me thrush.
After that one more blood test on thursday and then a GP visit the following one and hopefully I'll be done and dusted with the miscarriage from hell.
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Posted By: AzzaNZ
Date Posted: 22 September 2009 at 11:37am
this has really been a nightmare for you lemongirl
Hoping its all over now (((HUGS)))
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Posted By: MB1970
Date Posted: 22 September 2009 at 3:02pm
Posted By: jo1979
Date Posted: 22 September 2009 at 9:25pm
Hey MB and lemongirl, good to see there have been developments for you both (if "good" is the right word...).
I went for a swim today, first one since I found out the baby was dead. It is strange picking up threads of life again - I had started pulling out of various things I knew I couldn't see through because I was having a baby, but here I am getting back into it all again.
Sigh
Anyway, summer is coming, and I'm sure all of us could do with a dose of that! :)
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Posted By: lemongirl
Date Posted: 23 September 2009 at 9:58am
Hey jo,
I'm glad things are getting back to 'normal' (god I hate the word). To be honest (and as insane as it sounds) I'm actually hanging out for my first period which will be the surest sign of that.
I'm on my first day without a pad in a month. *doing the happy dance*
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Posted By: MB1970
Date Posted: 23 September 2009 at 8:43pm
Yay for the happy dance! I'm still hanging out for that day (am soooooo over pads - feel like i'm 14 again!).
And I agree, Jo - it does feel odd picking up things that were stopped cause of the bub - I had yum cha for lunch today and felt a bit guilty
I am finding things very odd at the moment - I guess cause it's been 4 weeks since the 3 of us found out about our bubs, but only 4 days since I actually miscarried and it's interesting seeing different people's reactions. The sympathy/empathy phase happened 4 weeks ago I guess.... not that I've told that many people that things finally happened this weekend - I certainly find that most people know so little about missed miscarrige (and up until 4 weeks I was also one of the blissfully unaware!), let alone the idea of waiting to miscarry naturally weeks later. Anyway, excuse my musings... just thinking aloud via writing I guess!
Just reread above and doesn't really make much sense, sorry!
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Posted By: ElfsMum
Date Posted: 23 September 2009 at 8:53pm
it makes perfect sense.. until you go through it i dont think you really can understand really.. soooo many people expected me to just be over it by 4 weeks later..I'm still not over it.. but when E came along that helped me a bit.
------------- Mum to two amazing boys!
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Posted By: lemongirl
Date Posted: 24 September 2009 at 10:02am
Four_eyes your right, you never really know how hard it is until you've gone through it.
I know my mother had 3 miscarriages between my sister and my brother but it didn't really phase me at the time (natural as I was only a child). I just remember her lying in bed crying. When I was growing up people would often make these stupid comments about my brother being an 'afterthought' due to the the fact I was 10 and my sister was 7 when he was born... little did they know.
I'm off for my (touch wood) final blood test of this pregnancy at lunch.
4 weeks today since my D&C seems like forever but just yesterday at the same time.
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Posted By: AzzaNZ
Date Posted: 24 September 2009 at 10:06am
Holding thumbs for your blood test lemongirl! Hoping your hormones are back where they should be.
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Posted By: ElfsMum
Date Posted: 24 September 2009 at 1:44pm
lemongirl- hopefully it goes well for you! mine took several week after my DandC...they were worried as my levels were high that i could have had partial molar preg but I didn't....my levels are just always high in pregnancy i since found out:)!
------------- Mum to two amazing boys!
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Posted By: lemongirl
Date Posted: 24 September 2009 at 2:15pm
I'm actually quite confident that my HcG levels will be good.
They were already down to 900 when the miscarriage was officiallly detected in Australia (4+ weeks ago) and were 13 last week when I was in hospital. But I suspect they want to make sure I make it to zero to rule out anymore retained product or anything molar.
Anyway my blood is off to the labs now... just got my final GP visit and 6 more drug cocktails to take!
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Posted By: ElfsMum
Date Posted: 24 September 2009 at 2:40pm
yeah 11-1 took a month for me!!!
how come you have to take so many ?
my mw takes 4 days to get blood results.. it was two for urgent..!!!
------------- Mum to two amazing boys!
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Posted By: lemongirl
Date Posted: 24 September 2009 at 3:29pm
I've got multiple antibiotics to take. I should be done with my drugs on Sunday and my bloods should be back on Monday. Then off to the GP mid-week for my follow up and all good.
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Posted By: MB1970
Date Posted: 24 September 2009 at 4:44pm
Must be good to see the end of the tunnel!
I too am on different antibiotics (anaerobic and aerobic ones) and have scan etc next thurs. My HCG last week was 149 I think so here's hoping it'll bottom out soon also.
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Posted By: lemongirl
Date Posted: 25 September 2009 at 9:00am
Yeah, but the side-effects from the anti-biotoics are quite nasty. In my case it's thrush. Grrr.
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Posted By: AzzaNZ
Date Posted: 25 September 2009 at 9:06am
My HCG on Monday was still 6200
Was supposed to do another today but labtests cant find my referral form. Will go tomorrow.
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Posted By: ElfsMum
Date Posted: 25 September 2009 at 10:15am
i didnt have to have Ab's...guess i was lucky...
oh dear Azza..hope it goes down very soon..
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Posted By: lemongirl
Date Posted: 25 September 2009 at 10:53am
Grr at labtests. I hope the next blood test shows your levels are back down again.
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Posted By: lemongirl
Date Posted: 25 September 2009 at 1:06pm
I've started bleeding and cramping again. GAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!
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Posted By: AzzaNZ
Date Posted: 25 September 2009 at 1:13pm
Oh no!!! What are you going to do?
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Posted By: lemongirl
Date Posted: 25 September 2009 at 1:21pm
I had wondered if it might be my period. It's been 29 days since my D&C but surely that's not enough time?
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Posted By: AzzaNZ
Date Posted: 25 September 2009 at 1:26pm
could be?
I hope it is!!
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Posted By: Pook72
Date Posted: 25 September 2009 at 1:40pm
I got mine 26 days after my dnc.
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Posted By: lemongirl
Date Posted: 25 September 2009 at 1:49pm
I just figured with all the complications my period would likely show up 6-8 weeks after the event. My bloods showed an hgc of 13 a few weeks ago. I thought they had to get all the way to zero for you to be able to get your period.
Oh well I have a scheduled doc appointment next week and the number at national women's should anything go wrong.
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Posted By: jo1979
Date Posted: 25 September 2009 at 4:50pm
Oh lemongirl, words fail and so does the hug icon. Lots of positive and caring thoughts in your direction, and really hoping it's your period despite not seeming like enough time!
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Posted By: lemongirl
Date Posted: 26 September 2009 at 2:17pm
I'm pretty sure it is my period, lots and lots of blood, breakouts and feeling a bit bloated. Oh well I'll ask the doc when I see her.
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Posted By: jo1979
Date Posted: 26 September 2009 at 4:32pm
Who knew a period could be such good news eh lemongirl?! (Keep us posted.)
I have been thinking about your post from the other day MB, about different reactions to the news of miscarriage, and also the 4 week wait that you've had and what you might be feeling now vs other people (for others I guess it feels all over and done with since you told them the news weeks ago). I've also been thinking about how miscarriage is so much better acknowledged nowadays, yet I still feel like the mindset is to keep it pretty quiet. And the way the convention is not to tell people you're pregnant til after the first 12 or so weeks - is that just part of the old mindset that if you lost a baby you just kept your failure quiet and soldiered on? I guess I'm just saying that along with the grief I have a lot going through my head. Also spiritual questions - what happens to the baby, it's being, etc etc?
Um, anyway, perhaps too intense for a (sort of) sunny Saturday afternoon :)
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Posted By: lemongirl
Date Posted: 26 September 2009 at 4:57pm
Jo, I always knew I had regular cycles, but I didn't realise my cycles were THAT regular. It does feel oddly reassuring that despite everything that's been going on ,my cycle was only one day late (I was expecting mine 6-8 weeks post D&C).
I'm an atheist so don't really 'get' the spritual side of things.
However over the past few weeks I have been doing something about a discussion with a monk in Cambodia a few days over the idea of attachment.
Bhuddists believe that we must free ourselves from attachment in order to free us from suffering (and also to ensure that souls that have passed on do not have a less fourtunate rebirth). Granted a lot of foul human behaviour are driven from emotions such as greed, jealously, revenge, envy stem from wanting something we don't have.
However I argued that our ability to form attachments is the very thing that makes us human and without which postive emtions such as empathy and compassion would not be able to form. So I view my sadness as being a postive natural consquence of this experience. The reason I feel sad is because I was attached to the being inside me and that's something I'm glad to have felt if only for a short while and I take comfort from it.
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Posted By: jo1979
Date Posted: 28 September 2009 at 4:04pm
There are lots of ways to look at it. I like what you say about attachment. I have always thought the Buddhist view (which I don't know all the details about so can't really critique!) is a bit stark in the way we are meant to get free from attachment. If I get pregnant again I have decided I'm not going to try and keep more "distant" from the baby (an idea I had to prevent feeling too hurt if I have another miscarriage) because in the end I'd rather respond lovingly to the new life and deal with the pain if it dies.
My husbands father believes that people are born into families because they wanted to learn something. I don't believe this and it would bother me if I did - because it would suggest the baby changed its mind about me and my husband I hate that idea!! I'm not sure about reincarnation. In some ways I'd feel comforted to think the being that was my baby will have another go at life somewhere sometime else, but I also think it was totally unique and I suspect all the potential it has only existed while it lived. But I don't know!!!! It just plays on my mind a bit.
I've had various advice from my gp, the nurse at the early pregnancy center, the surgeon, about when to "try again". People talk about being emotionally ready but how could I ever feel ready enough to go through this again?! I know that sounds pessimistic but let's face it, one in four pregnancies end this way so I can hardly tell myself it's not likely to happen again.
I know this thread was about still bleeding 2 weeks later a d and c, so I am WAY off topic, but there is so much going round my head and not many people to talk to about it...
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Posted By: ElfsMum
Date Posted: 28 September 2009 at 7:09pm
i viewed that as free yourself form attachment once they are gone but he means in general?
you need to have 20 no blood days after DandC for it to be counted as a period and generally you need to have hcg under 5 to get AF back.
jo- i wanted to feel detached but i wasnt when i got preg again.. i was terrified and didnt deal with my feelings so was a shocking pergnancy but no matter how hard i tried i couldnt have prevented attachment..
jo- fair enough ..it's ok to talk :)
i wanted to try again straight away esp the first time but i was forced to wait three months and emotionally it wasnt enough but i have my wonderful boy so it turned out ok but for me ...a bigger break would have been better...with the last one i didnt need as much grieving time poss as it wasnt the huge shock the first one was(found out at 12 week scan)
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Posted By: lemongirl
Date Posted: 29 September 2009 at 9:35am
Four_eyes wrote:
you need to have 20 no blood days after DandC for it to be counted as a period and generally you need to have hcg under 5 to get AF back.
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That's what I thought.
But this feels exactly like my regular period. My face broke out, I had sore breasts, cramps, heavy bleeding for the first few days then it tapered off and now has just about finished. I'll def. ask my doctor about it when I see her tomorrow. Because with everything I've gone through it just seems way too soon to have my normal period.
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Posted By: ElfsMum
Date Posted: 29 September 2009 at 9:45am
yeah i think so too..:( but i hope i am wrong and its normal period for you!!:) 12 week missed mc's like ours to tend to mean things take longer to get back to normal.. i think average 5-7 weeks?
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Posted By: lemongirl
Date Posted: 30 September 2009 at 10:53am
Doctor thinks that was likely my period last week but stupid lab tests have lost my HCG.... grrrr!
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Posted By: lemongirl
Date Posted: 01 October 2009 at 2:17pm
HcG was at 7 last thursday, but the doc seems happy with my progress. So drama has officially passed.
Yah!
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Posted By: AzzaNZ
Date Posted: 01 October 2009 at 2:24pm
what a relief lemongirl!
Chocolate to celebrate is in order I think
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Posted By: MB1970
Date Posted: 01 October 2009 at 8:01pm
Posted By: lemongirl
Date Posted: 01 October 2009 at 8:37pm
Marybeth how are things for you? Hope all has passed.
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Posted By: ElfsMum
Date Posted: 02 October 2009 at 2:20pm
oh thank goodness for you!!:)
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Posted By: MB1970
Date Posted: 02 October 2009 at 3:23pm
thanks, Lemongirl - Had scan yesterday and still 5mm of "product" apparently but am still bleeding so likely will all clear out, or else will come away with next period. Have to go back in ten days if still bleeding but otherwise all done with dumb hosp appts! Hopefully finally is all sorted for the 3 of us March ladies (or late Aug ladies...)
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Posted By: lemongirl
Date Posted: 02 October 2009 at 5:19pm
Yeah I told my doctor on Thursday I hope I don't see her again for awhile. But knowing my luck I'll be in a few months as I'm somewhat of a frequent flyer with her (in the last year I've had several UTIs, a broken toe and some mystery virus that leveled me for a few weeks back in November last year)
The emtional stuff is hitting me hard at the moment. One of friends just put up the 12 week scan pic and I spent the night in tears. Got my friend's baby shower next week that I'm making the cake for, not sure if I'll just do that and dash. I'll see how I feel.
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Posted By: MB1970
Date Posted: 02 October 2009 at 5:45pm
I fluctuate on the emotional side also - have friends and nieces with babies all over the show so can't avoid that - I do really struggle tho with the question "do you have any children?" I swear I'd get asked that most days (I guess being 39 I suppose it's natural!). Am meeting up with Claire (from our March forum) next week so that could be a tough one tho.... good luck with the shower next week x
Here's hoping you get a Dr holiday til next year at least....
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Posted By: jo1979
Date Posted: 03 October 2009 at 7:25am
My friend told me she was probably pregnant the other day. I am happy for her, I do see it as a separate issue to my baby being dead, but it still twists me up a fair bit. We have just bought a house, got possession on Wednesday, and in my head that was so connected to having a baby that the house just feels like a remnant of a pregnancy gone wrong! I'm sure I'll come to appreciate it in time :)
I guess I will eventually make my peace with the fact that dead babies don't warrant ongoing discussion the way live ones do. For now I am still adjusting!
I hope the shower and coffee meet up are not too rough.
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Posted By: jo1979
Date Posted: 03 October 2009 at 7:27am
PS I don't mean that your friends or Claire would be rough, obviously! Just your emotions!
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Posted By: lemongirl
Date Posted: 03 October 2009 at 2:30pm
I'm trying really, really hard not to be one of those women who can't see past her own pregnancy loss and be happy for her friends hence why I'm doing my friend's cake (something to contribute to the event without having to focus on babies since the theme is pirates and ninjas!') . But by golly it's hard not to think about pregnancy loss when hearing about new babies and pregnancy.
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Posted By: jo1979
Date Posted: 03 October 2009 at 6:12pm
Yes, it is well worth putting the effort into not being bitter and twisted (because the alternative, being bitter and twisted, is not appealing at all) but like you say, can be hard, and takes a LOT of energy and determination I find.
I just keep thinking it is good to be made aware of how many people we must interact with in life who have gone through this. Checkout operators, lawyers, real estate agents, acquaintances... Having only told close friends I am sure that lots of people I know have gone through this and not told me.
Not that I praise it for a blessed learning experience, but since it has happened I appreciate the insight
(Jo cleverly employs the use of an emoticon!!)
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Posted By: MB1970
Date Posted: 04 October 2009 at 10:00pm
And MaryBeth is suitably impressed, Jo haha
Am having a mega stink day today Missing bub heaps but can't help looking at the bump gallery and reading all the posts. Talk about glutton for punishment!!
Stef and Jo - hope the bleeding is continuing to be over and done with for you.
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Posted By: jo1979
Date Posted: 05 October 2009 at 8:12am
Oh. Sorry for stink days!! I wish there was something useful to say but there really isn't...
Bleeding is all under control ie over. I am guessing I'll get my period in about about a week (but who knows really). I tend towards nasty periods - painful cramps plus lots of grim symptoms in the lead up. Ok on the pill but miserable off. In the seven months of trying to get pregnant I'd have days where I'd wonder if I could cope much longer being off the pill. Ironic that I then got to have nausea for 5 weeks and then the horror of a miscarriage and now back to square one, waiting for a period and wondering how painful it will be. [insert self pitying sigh audicon here!]
Sometimes it's the extra stuff that makes the loss of the baby so hard. But other times it is just the pure loss that is hard.
Meanwhile today's job is the dentist. I got a really sore tooth around the time of miscarriage news, and really couldn't face the dentist on top of everything, but I have decided to stop procrastinating now and get it sorted!
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Posted By: ElfsMum
Date Posted: 05 October 2009 at 9:41am
i really was bitter for a long time i couldnt help it..but in the end i got over it for my pregnant workmate but man going back to work with under 2's straight away was stupid:(
i never really dealt with it i dont think?just shoved it down further mostly even though i thought i got past it cause E's pregnancy was so stressful cause i was so worried..
re the looking at bump photos etc..i got myself deleted off her for four months..i had to i would have gone mental otherwise.. i still look at both sets of children thinking my child would be this old or that old now.
hope the dentist goes ok...
if its any consolation my AF after both weren't very painful.
------------- Mum to two amazing boys!
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Posted By: jo1979
Date Posted: 05 October 2009 at 8:55pm
Hey four eyes, thanks for your thoughts - it is helpful to hear about others' experiences. (The dentist was ok - never as traumatic as I remember from childhood, apart from the paying bit at the end!)
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Posted By: MB1970
Date Posted: 05 October 2009 at 9:53pm
yay for the stopped bleeding, Jo. So hanging out for that (has been 6 1/2 weeks so far I think). Hope the period is not too nasty - I am hoping I'll be able to think of it as my body regaining its rhythm. (ooo now I sound like my witchy acupuncture man haha)
Feeling ok tonight - still a bit "meh" but mostly not too mopey. Serioulsy FREEZING tho!! haha even had to break out the nana blanket...
Four Eyes, I love your caption for Ethan - he does look like a cheeky little toddler!! I'm sure he gives you hours of fun (and games ) And is your other little man blowing bubbles???
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Posted By: ElfsMum
Date Posted: 05 October 2009 at 10:24pm
mb- Liam (bub number two) that first one that looks like a bubble is his thumb..not sure bout the other one:)
yeah Ethan is awesome..every day i thank goodness for getting him but i also think about what could have been.. same with this bub as both bubs that mced due aug 24th adn both these guys were due feb 10th:) lol...
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