Charting - TTC after recent MC
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Topic: Charting - TTC after recent MC
Posted By: MaeBeeBaby
Subject: Charting - TTC after recent MC
Date Posted: 31 December 2009 at 9:22am
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Not sure how many people are keen on this, but I thought it would be nice to have a Charting thread especially for those of us who are going to keep TTC after recent miscarriage?
I find this forum so supportive and I wouldn't have learned about Charting at all if it wasn't for the girls in the Charting thread. But that thread can move along so fast, I just feel there is a need for a bit of 'separation' for those of us in a slightly different situation. A thread such as this could help us, and others, to learn about when our body becomes ready once again to TTC via charting. There have been quite a few people asking on this forum as to WHEN their body would be ready to TTC again - so I think this could be quite helpful. |
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Posted By: MaeBeeBaby
Date Posted: 31 December 2009 at 9:25am
| I also thought it would be good to have it in this 'Planning Pregnancy' section so it can sister-up to the original Charting thread. |
Posted By: babygiraffe
Date Posted: 31 December 2009 at 12:33pm
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Hi MB
I'll join you in here, I had my m/c on 1st November and then a BFP straight after that (no cycle in between) but sadly got my AF shortly after. Like you my hcg never rose and my doctor thought it was left over hormones from my earlier m/c. I knew I was pg though, felt crook and my HPT kept getting darker so must've been. Its been a roller coaster of emotions for me over the past few months. We have taken taken this month off and will try again in Jan. Just ov so I'm counting down til when we can try again! |
Posted By: MaeBeeBaby
Date Posted: 31 December 2009 at 1:08pm
| Awesome MrsHopeful! Thank you for joining me! I am still waiting for AF, I know my ticker says 4 angel babies but really there are only 3 at this stage... but that could change at any time according to my latest bloods... soas soon as I have got AF I will be charting cause I want to learn so much more about how my own system works. THAT is what is going to get me through this bad time ATM. |
Posted By: babygiraffe
Date Posted: 31 December 2009 at 2:04pm
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Chating is awesome and such a good way to tell how your cycle is tracking. I have been charting for over year now but only 4 of those months have been TTC. Been kind of successful so far! I'm sure one will stick for us soon !!
I hope you enjoy your NY even though you are going through a sad time. I look forward to seeing how you are going when I am back to work on Tuesday. Take care 
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Posted By: SnuggleBear
Date Posted: 02 January 2010 at 11:47am
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I will join too...im sorry to hear about your loss MB i was really hoping it would be a sticky one for you..
i had a chemical pregnancy last cycle and just got my AF so am ready to start ttc this cycle...FX'd for us
also this cycle im using FemCalLite on my ipod Touch its easier than logging on here every morning to input my temp...although i will do that too but not as regularly  ------------- Ds1 - 20 months old Ds2 - 4 months old |
Posted By: MaeBeeBaby
Date Posted: 02 January 2010 at 4:43pm
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Hi ladies,
Here is my Chart, starting today I guess, as today is the first sign of 'red' on my AF/MC. http://www.fertilityfriend.com/ttc/index.php I don't know how to make links etc, will also post in the Charting thread though as both will be good to follow esp with all the good ladies in there who are charting experts aye! |
Posted By: Rachel1982
Date Posted: 02 January 2010 at 5:25pm
I credit that program with helping me to get pregnant - good luck!! ------------- http://lilypie.com">  
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tryingfor1st wrote:Posted By: newme
Date Posted: 02 January 2010 at 6:29pm
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I will join too.
Sorry to those who have miscarried. I lost my baby on New Years Eve. About the worst way to welcome in a new year. I am going to start charting again. Will post a link soon. I am not going to wait to TTC. I was 5 weeks when i miscarried, and it has all happened naturally, no D & C. The midwife doesn't see any reason to wait, except until I am emotionally and mentally ready. She said if my body isn't ready then it won't happen straight away though. But I just want to have another baby soon. I feel like it might go some way to fix my heartache. |
Posted By: MaeBeeBaby
Date Posted: 02 January 2010 at 7:08pm
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Hila1, my mc started on NYE too. Did you know it was going to happen? I had heads-up from my hcg earlier in the week, so it wasn't so horrible as last time, where I went for a scan at 13 weeks, with no warning anything was wrong... and saw a 10 week old baby that was not alive. That is one of the most horrific thing to discover when you are so excited ...
But there is also nothing worse than going to the loo and discovering signs of a mc... TTC will help to heal you, but it won't ever fix the heartache. You need something to focus on now, and charting is an awesome way to do this, that's what I have found anyway. 
I have updated my blog substantially today if anyone wants to have a read, and become a 'follower'. |
Posted By: MaeBeeBaby
Date Posted: 02 January 2010 at 7:12pm
Hila, do keep your chart in the 'Charting' thread as well, not just here, okay chick? There's tons of support in there as well.  I like to think I have two places to go to 'chat', this one primarily for us girls who have mc'd, and the other one to share any and every kind of news (like getting pregnant, TTC, etc etc).
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Posted By: PixieL
Date Posted: 03 January 2010 at 12:11am
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*Hugs ladies* and best of luck. ------------- http://lilypie.com"> 
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Posted By: newme
Date Posted: 03 January 2010 at 9:44am
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It started about 2pm. I just went to the loo, and I noticed a tiny amount of blood on the toilet paper. I wasn't too worried at that stage, but called the midwife, and went and saw her 10 minutes later. She said it wasn't a good sign, but some people do bleed and it is okay. I had some bloods done.
I got the results back later that day and my hcg level was only 18, which is not good at 5 weeks. then about 9pm the bleeding become really heavy and clotted, and I had really bad pains and I knew it was all over. There was one really strange thing that happened. Right after I started bleeding, just before I went to see the midwife a bird flew into the house. I didn't even click at the time, cos I was so stressed, but if a bird flies into your house it is an omen of death coming to someone in the house. Here is the link to my chart: http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/258887 I will add it in the charts thread too. Thanks for your support. |
Posted By: MaeBeeBaby
Date Posted: 03 January 2010 at 12:28pm
That's so awful for you hila! I am still just bleeding, haven't even had the bad cramping or passed any tissue yet - that's the hard part for me. 
I totally agree re the bird - amazing aye. Your hcg got down to 18 so I think that is why you mc'd so quickly. Mine was 300 on Wednesday so it will take some time to decline I guess. I have to have another blood taken on Tues to see if the levels are going down. But my progesterone was only at 13 (previously 69) so that's why AF has arrived. (If you can call it AF?). We need to grab Nic or Shezzey or Oxy to put our links up for us :) |
Posted By: Shezzey
Date Posted: 03 January 2010 at 12:35pm
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MB... I can set them up for you.... but you will be the "keeper" of this thread and need to learn how to do it and update them ... okay hun? |
Posted By: Shezzey
Date Posted: 03 January 2010 at 12:36pm
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Posted By: ALittleLoopy
Date Posted: 03 January 2010 at 2:14pm
http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/2ae33d - Maebeebaby CD 2 http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/258887 - Hila1's chart CD 4 I made this for you guys!! I hope you like it! thought it makes your charts links look pretty and give them personality etc -------------    CHEM 6/12+ |
Posted By: Shezzey
Date Posted: 03 January 2010 at 2:26pm
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http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/2ae33d - Maebeebaby CD 2 Nic... Thanks for doing that |
Posted By: MaeBeeBaby
Date Posted: 03 January 2010 at 4:28pm
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Thanks heaps ladies! Now I need instructions on how to do all of this stuff pleeeese.
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Posted By: PixieL
Date Posted: 03 January 2010 at 5:04pm
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DOn't want to alarm anyone but I bleed for three weeks. I wish someone had told me that. ------------- http://lilypie.com">
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Posted By: Shezzey
Date Posted: 03 January 2010 at 6:03pm
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MB.... when updating the charts by day, you just need to click on "quote" on the top right hand side... then update the cd then remove the part of the text where it says [quote}. It has that at the beginning and the end... so you have to delete two lots of [quote] bits....... DONE |
Posted By: MaeBeeBaby
Date Posted: 03 January 2010 at 6:36pm
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And how do I add more in?
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Posted By: MaeBeeBaby
Date Posted: 03 January 2010 at 6:37pm
I bled for 2 weeks with my last mc, and just under a week with the previous 2. (1st and 3rd were D&Cs). This one might be ucky - I have just slept for a few hours (pretty much since I last posted on this thread) as I am so tired and bleeding quite heavily now. |
Posted By: SnuggleBear
Date Posted: 03 January 2010 at 9:34pm
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I bled for a week and this af has been slightly heavier. I'll post the link to my chart soon but need to get on to the comp.
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Posted By: SnuggleBear
Date Posted: 03 January 2010 at 10:12pm
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here is my chart http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/29c46e please add me ------------- Ds1 - 20 months old Ds2 - 4 months old |
Posted By: Shezzey
Date Posted: 03 January 2010 at 11:20pm
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http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/2ae33d - Maebeebaby CD 2 |
Posted By: MaeBeeBaby
Date Posted: 04 January 2010 at 7:38am
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http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/2ae33d - Maebeebaby CD 3
http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/29c46e - Trying CD 3 http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/258887 - Hila1 CD 5 |
Posted By: newme
Date Posted: 04 January 2010 at 11:18am
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My bleeding is really light today, so hopefully will be gone by tomorrow.
Thanks everyone who has helped with the chart lists and that wee picture is so cool. I am going to start temping tomorrow morning, and start with vitex again tomorrow too. Have to have my second blood test in the morn to confirm the miscarraige. I am feeling really positive today! |
Posted By: MaeBeeBaby
Date Posted: 04 January 2010 at 12:21pm
| Hila I have to have a blood test tomorrow too, also to confirm the miscarriage. I am having really major cramps today, especially in my lower back, but thankfully the bleeding isn't as heavy, I seem to be passing a lot of mucus with the blood today. |
Posted By: Shezzey
Date Posted: 04 January 2010 at 2:30pm
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http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/2ae33d - Maebeebaby CD 3 Just updating with the blinkies for you gals |
Posted By: MaeBeeBaby
Date Posted: 04 January 2010 at 8:55pm
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Hila some of us Christchurch-region OB'ers are thinking of meeting up for coffee at Coffee Culture in Papanui in a few weeks - are you keen? I am free most Wednesdays, but if a weekend day suited everyone more than we can work something out.
I just updated my blog - HEAPS - come on people, I need more 'followers' to keep me motivated to keep writing! |
Posted By: MaeBeeBaby
Date Posted: 05 January 2010 at 6:49am
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<IMG style="WIDTH: 184px; HEIGHT: 126px" border=0 src="http://i48.tinypic.com/24cccnq.jpg" width=395 height=196> <IMG border=0 src="http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u239/cindysocal7/thcyclesis2.gif"> http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/2ae33d - Maebeebaby CD 4
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Posted By: MaeBeeBaby
Date Posted: 05 January 2010 at 6:52am
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Hila, are you not taking temps yet? Was curious to compare yours to mine - mine has a massive drop today, I guess that means my mc is complete (ie hcg levels gone right down).
GOOD LUCK for your blood test today - I will be thinking of you when I get mine in about 45 mins... |
Posted By: babygiraffe
Date Posted: 05 January 2010 at 8:50am
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Morning girls
Here is my chart, I will officially start trying after this cycle. http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/299612 Sorry to hear about your m/c, its such an awful thing to go through. Be nice to have some support and understanding when our turn comes around again! |
Posted By: newme
Date Posted: 05 January 2010 at 9:03am
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Thanks MB. I just felt like I needed a break from temping for a few days. I stopped when I got the BFP.
But today my temp is still higher than it normally is before ovulation. But I had a restless sleep so that could have put it up a bit. I will be keen to meet up in a few weeks. I can do Wednesdays, from 12.30 onwards. I am about to go and get my blood test too, so will be thinking of you too. Hi MrsHopeful. Will have my fingers crossed for you next month. |
Posted By: babygiraffe
Date Posted: 05 January 2010 at 9:19am
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Oh and me too, I'll come and have a coffee as well. I could do a Wed around lunchtime (would have to shoot away from work in my lunch hour) or the weekends fine although I am away for the next two weekends. Anyway, let me know the date you decide and if I am around then great and if not......another time
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Posted By: lostAmber
Date Posted: 05 January 2010 at 2:13pm
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I may come and join you too. My first m/c was July 1st (11wks), and exactly 6 months to the day was my second one, Jan 1st (4wks3days). I am taking a break this month from temping and charting though, over the past few months that I have been temping i've discovered that I OV every month on CD15 so know when to BD.
I have named both of my angel babies, believing both of them were girls. I got PND after the first one, but the m/c itself was horrific [lasting three weeks] and then I had complications. I feel okay about this last one, maybe because it was over before it really started, I don't know? Anyway, i'm Sharee, i'm 30yrs, married, and living in Hamilton, currently looking for a job, intent on volunteering in a palliative care unit, and considering going back to uni in March. ------------- http://lilypie.com">  http://lilypie.com">
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Posted By: Shezzey
Date Posted: 05 January 2010 at 4:31pm
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http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/2ae33d - Maebeebaby CD 4 http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/299612 - MrsHopeful's chart CD27 - 7 DPO
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Posted By: MaeBeeBaby
Date Posted: 05 January 2010 at 6:02pm
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Thanks again Shezzey - it's not always possible for me to get online during the day when I am working.
My hcg levels are down to 18 - I never thought I would be so glad to hear that they have gone down so much, rules out ectopic pregnancy. I have to have another test next week. Apparently I am still classified as 'pregnant' cause my hcg is above 5, despite the fact I have AF... isn't that just so strange... Just had some good news from DH - a workmate of his and his wife (a really nice couple) are going to TTC again this year - she had an mc last year, or maybe it was late 2008, and it really knocked her. They have been married for over 14 years. She is 39. They didnt seem to worried about TTC again but I am so pleased to hear they are going to try. They would be such awesome parents! Apparently she spends as much time on the web researching as I do... LOL When the nurse from Repromed rung me (the nice nurse, the one I always like talking to!!!) I asked her to give my specialist a list of things to look into before we go to see him on the 18th - I want to have antibody screening, I want to have progesterone supplements given to me from the day I get a positive BFP, plus the Heparin, and also the possibility of prednisone - all this would help in stopping my body attacking the pregnancy. Because I rarely get sick, my immunity is very high, so I believe my body sees pregnancy as a foreigner. I have a friend who is studying antibodies etc (she is a 'blood nurse') and she has suggested that I should have antibody screening esp as I have had 3 pg's and 3 mc's so close together. I have probably already written this somewhere on OB, sorry, I know I typed it all out somewhere today, maybe to Mum, but I have had a weird day, somewhat surreal, back at work, trying to focus on anything except the mc (which won't let me stop focusing on it cause the cramps and clots are really bad today)... |
Posted By: MaeBeeBaby
Date Posted: 05 January 2010 at 6:07pm
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Hello LostAmber *waves* - so glad you are joining us.
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Posted By: lostAmber
Date Posted: 05 January 2010 at 6:34pm
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Aww MB I can't believe you're back at work going through that. I can understand wanting to take your mind off it, but when those clots come it's damn horrible, the feeling in themselves was enough to make me want to cry- not that they were painful, but just eugh I don't know, gross perhaps. It is awful when you're still pg even after a m/c, and it sucks that you have to experience all of the symptoms still. I think that may be why i'm still feeling tired and a little nauseas this week even though af has come and now gone (as of today). Did I read somewhere also, I think it was a comment from someone else, that you are rhesus negative? I am too.
I think I am going to start taking an additional B6 vitamin to my prenatals too, conception doesn't seem to be my problem, but implantation. Which kind of sucks because then IUI or IVF would be fruitless. Is there anything else that could be done? ------------- http://lilypie.com"> http://lilypie.com">
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Posted By: MaeBeeBaby
Date Posted: 05 January 2010 at 8:01pm
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Wow LA we are like parallel sisters! I too have no problem with conception, but implantation/carrying seems to be the problem. Which B6 are you taking, and what will that do? I wonder if you should pm Shezzey and ask her to email you the links she sent me today about NK cells and immunology. Or pm me your email addy and I can forward it to you?
Have you had antibody screening lately? How many mc's have you had - from what my friend Claire tells me, the one studying all of this stuff as she is a blood nurse, we should have the screening done after EVERY pregnancy, esp as we are rhesus negative, and especially if our DH or DP are positive... Do you sometimes think we know more than the experts, just cause we take the time to talk to others, and to do research on the web? |
Posted By: MaeBeeBaby
Date Posted: 05 January 2010 at 8:03pm
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I think I am able to be back at work cause I kinda knew this 'might' happen, I have work for the rest of this week but next week I only have to work for 3 days (bonus of being a self-employed temp, I can pick and choose my days to 'some' extent) plus we have a game-plan now because we can conceive naturally and aren't relying on doctors to tell us when we have to do an IUI etc (sometimes not being able to cause I have had too many follicles thanks to clomid), and also not being on the roller-coaster of fertility drugs as they really knocked me round.
Ooooh I just found 4 Ov test strips in the bathroom cupboard, and the digital OV tester in my bedside drawer - these suckers cost about $70 and I was getting them free from Repromed... might have to ask for some more when I go to the specialist, I think their charge, if applicable, is $15. Not that I think they are much use to me if I ov two days prior to the damn things showing me a positive! |
Posted By: mylilmosaic
Date Posted: 05 January 2010 at 11:09pm
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Hi girls
I thought I might join you in this thread Maebeebaby great idea to start a thread for those of us ttc;in after m/c. I have been following your posts recently and was sad to see you have m/c'd again MB, I understand your loss and frustration.
Lostamber & Hila I am so sorry that you have both m/c'd as well, it sucks big time. I hope that your next pregnancies are the ones that stick. Well Im not very good at putting whats in my head down on paper but will try and tell you my story, for those that don't know.
Me (40) and DH (37) have been ttc'in for approx 2 years now. Our first +ve was in July 08, it was a sixty odd day cycle  and I had given up taking my temps cause I was getting so frustrated at the length of my cycle. I m/c'd naturally 2.5 weeks after my +ve. I got my next +ve on 14th September, it was the very next cycle. I was very excited about this pregnancy and had a good feeling about it, my hcg's were doing what they should and were up at the 50,000 level. We went off to the gold coast for a holiday for about ten days and when we came home were very excited to go to our scan at about 9 weeks. And at that scan there was a perfect little baby with no heart beat measuring 8.5 weeks, we were gutted 
Two weeks later I had to go over to the hospital for a d&c. My next pregnancy was a total surprise in May 09 just as we were about to start IUI treatment with FA in Hamilton. This pregnancy I m/c'd approx two weeks after our +ve, as this was our third FA got us a review apptmnt straight away as we now were finally diagnosed with recurrent miscarriages. It totally sucks that they won't investigate until you have had three, although because of my age they had already started some of the testing. So now we have had all of the tests and nothing comes back with any concrete reason whey we are m/c'in all the time. It could be my eggs, and DH has morphology issues and they have now put me on low dose aspirin because I guess it can't hurt and there could be a blood clotting issue that hasn't shown in the tests. At the initial scan when you have your first appt with FA it was discovered I have polycystic ovaries, so that makes ovulating regularly more difficult for me. Since the last m/c in May we have done three monitored clomid cycles all bfn's, one unsuccessful IUI with clomid and gonal f. And now we are doing a couple of natural cycles over xmas and it is really nice to forget about all the drugs and scans and needles etc... for a wee while anyway. Pheewww that was long. Where to from here, we are going to one more IUI and after that IVF is our only other option to try other than continuing to try naturally. We feel that time is against us but we will continue to try for at least a couple more years, and hopefully we will get there in the end. Maybeebaby I have a couple of geegees too, I will try to post a pic of them, they are 17 & 19 so are in semi retirement but we still ride them on the farm and they love all the attention they get. I love my appy's
lol sorry about the novel ------------- http://lilypie.com"> 
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Posted By: mylilmosaic
Date Posted: 05 January 2010 at 11:25pm
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http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/1daab6 - Appy's Chart CD 2
Shezzey for some reason when I try to update this list, it won't bring the blinkies over it just shows the writing for them when I preview the updated post, and I was only removing the quotes from each end. Any ideas, it seems to work when only you bring it forward. ------------- http://lilypie.com">
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Posted By: MaeBeeBaby
Date Posted: 06 January 2010 at 7:27am
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I too had trouble with the blinkies.
Wow Appy you are going through it all too huh.
Something you wrote made me want to comment though, about the aspirin - I have recently read that on its own, aspirin does nothing. It needs to be accompanied by heparin. I think it's on one of the links on my blog, but can't be certain? Anyway, may pay to check with your doctor. I have found an article in a magazine called 'Making Babies' which was a $9.95 one-off I found in Paper Plus a few months ago. There is an article in it called "I've Got Killer Cells" and honestly, It is like reading about me - the lady went through the same things as I have have (recurrent mc's, through natural conception and fertility clinic), and she started jumping up and down DEMANDING tests for NKC. I am convinced I need these tests. Today I am going to photocopy this article and write a letter to my specialist, who I am seeing on the 18th January. I want the tests done for NKC, and they need to be done between day 25 and 30 of my cycle. This will give him time to book me in, because when I see him I think it will be Day 18 of my cycle. The treatment for NKC seems fairly simple - a steroid called Clexane, and for some it is accompanied by aspirin and heparin. I will try to scan this article also, and put a link on my blog to it sometime this week. |
Posted By: MaeBeeBaby
Date Posted: 06 January 2010 at 7:28am
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http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/1daab6 - Appy's Chart CD 2
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Posted By: MaeBeeBaby
Date Posted: 06 January 2010 at 7:28am
| MrsHopeful I am loving your chart!!! |
Posted By: babygiraffe
Date Posted: 06 January 2010 at 9:42am
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Haha... yeah it does look good but I doubt very much there will be a baby for me this month. We aren't trying.......I must admit we did 'forgot' about protection about 3 days before I ov.....which is naughty I know but FF are telling me the chance of pg is low. I hope its low because I've been having a great old time on the wines and cheese and whatever else you should'n't do in the TTW. Be good to go through a normal cycle this month.
Its really nice to see some other older (but not that old ) girls in this thread. I have just turned 37 so constantly worry I am running out of time. I guess you just have to take what life throws at you and deal with each thing has it happens.
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Posted By: SnuggleBear
Date Posted: 06 January 2010 at 11:13am
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:) ------------- Ds1 - 20 months old Ds2 - 4 months old |
Posted By: mylilmosaic
Date Posted: 06 January 2010 at 12:39pm
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Awww thanks trying. I sincerely hope for you that you only ever have the one m/c and that you will be UTD very soon
Something that I also noticed we have in common MB & LA is I am also RH-, my hubby is + so it means I need the anti d after m/c. Hmmm only had it after the dnc. My research & my specialist tell me this shouldn't cause early m/c's but that it can affect baby later in the pregnancy. I am off to hunt out the lists of all the blood work we have had done, and will bbl to see if they are similiar. Hope everyone is having a lovely day  ------------- http://lilypie.com">
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Posted By: Emmi_
Date Posted: 06 January 2010 at 12:48pm
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Sorry, just lurking... You can get a BT to see if you have formed the antibodies with the Rh-/+ve thing... Im -ve and my DH is +ve, I got the AntiD when I MC at 6 and a half weeks, but when I went to A and E this time at 6 and a hlaf weeks with bleeding they wouldnt give it to me... So my MW got me tested and it was negative (thank goodness), so if you are worried they can see if you have formed the antibodies already (gosh that was long winded huh! (I hope it made sense?)) ------------- 
+1 May 09 Angel
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Posted By: babygiraffe
Date Posted: 06 January 2010 at 2:48pm
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I am also RH- as well. Had the anti D jab after my m/c at 7 weeks and then I had to have it again last time as there was confusion as to weather I was pg or just had left over hormones from my previous m/c.
Good to know you can get tested for the antibodies though, I have had concerns about this as well. |
Posted By: lostAmber
Date Posted: 06 January 2010 at 6:05pm
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Yes DH is positive here too. Have had them after my m/c's but from what I read recently, it is most likely that it is only our blood in that first trimester anyway
I am having a bit of a rotten day today. I'm irritable, tearful, angry, and just being stubborn. I've come off my meds cold turkey, and refused to eat anything today too. I don't know why, just in a funk. I walked into a tattoo parlour too and priced up what I want. Was going to get it done today due to my reckless mood, but realise I have bills to pay and no income until I find a job now (not that the money I do have is enough to cover all of my bills anyway) *cries* ------------- http://lilypie.com"> http://lilypie.com">
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Posted By: MaeBeeBaby
Date Posted: 06 January 2010 at 6:22pm
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Oh LA... !!!
What meds have you stopped taking? I was in that kind of mood yesterday LA... Today I have been really busy - I had to work but I wasn't busy there - so I got surfing. Before close of business today I had successfully contacted via email the secretary of Dr Gavin Sacks who is the Natural Killer Cell expert, at IVF Australia. He is also a recurring miscarriage specialist. He has agreed to do a phone consultation with us if we don't get any further with Repromed! I am absolutely convinced I am on the right track. |
Posted By: mylilmosaic
Date Posted: 06 January 2010 at 6:34pm
Hi girls, hope everyone has had a nice day, lovely weather here
Lostamber, hope your ok, things will get better and I know you will have that bfp sometime soon. But I also know how hard it is when everyone else is getting their bfp's and we are m/c'in. Not easy 
Here's my link on FB if any of you want to add me http://www.facebook.com/jackiejenkins?ref=profile - fb linky ------------- http://lilypie.com">
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Posted By: SnuggleBear
Date Posted: 06 January 2010 at 7:32pm
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hugs la hope you are feeling better soon it totally does suck when people around you keep getting bfps our turn will come soon hunny ------------- Ds1 - 20 months old Ds2 - 4 months old |
Posted By: Shezzey
Date Posted: 06 January 2010 at 8:38pm
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Here are the links I sent MB if anyone is interested in how our immune systems can affect pregnancy and implantation.... |
Posted By: Shezzey
Date Posted: 06 January 2010 at 8:41pm
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http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/1daab6 - Appy's Chart CD 2
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Posted By: MaeBeeBaby
Date Posted: 06 January 2010 at 9:26pm
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Awesome Shezzey, where are we going wrong with the blinkies BTW?
LA, this is why I 'created' this thread, as I really wanted somewhere we us mc'ers could all come with something in common, and try to help each other find out the why's and what's about our mc's... and even if we don't, just to simply vent to others in the same situation, well that all helps huh.
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Posted By: Shezzey
Date Posted: 06 January 2010 at 9:28pm
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MB... it might have to do with not deleting the spaces after the [quotes] bit |
Posted By: MaeBeeBaby
Date Posted: 06 January 2010 at 9:43pm
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http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/1daab6 - Appy's Chart CD 2
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Posted By: MaeBeeBaby
Date Posted: 06 January 2010 at 9:45pm
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Hmmmm all I did then was remove the word QUOTE with the [ ] around it, and left the space in... weird. I can't do it.
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Posted By: Shezzey
Date Posted: 06 January 2010 at 10:07pm
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Lol... that is weird..... maybe next time just copy and paste the blinkies |
Posted By: MaeBeeBaby
Date Posted: 07 January 2010 at 7:36am
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<IMG style="WIDTH: 184px; HEIGHT: 126px" border=0 src="http://i48.tinypic.com/24cccnq.jpg" width=395 height=196> <IMG border=0 src="http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u239/cindysocal7/thcyclesis2.gif"> http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/1daab6 - Appy's Chart CD 3
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Posted By: MaeBeeBaby
Date Posted: 07 January 2010 at 7:40am
| Is everyone's cycle days right? Mine were a day behind, and I think Trying's were too. |
Posted By: mylilmosaic
Date Posted: 07 January 2010 at 9:00am
Hmmm yeah, Im having the same problem Shezzey even when I quote you and don't take anything out, then preview it still shows just the text for those two blinkies Maybe we need Nic to come in here and have a go as well, she's pretty good at figuring out computer speak 
Anyhow MB I am CD 4. I was thinking about all these different theories and I will be interested to see how your phone consult with the Australian specialist goes MB. My specialist is pretty loathe to consider them if their is no peer reviewed research done on them Im afraid so at the mo I have to just read and take my questions to him. One positive thing is if we do have another m/c (not that a m/c is postive, but ykwim) is we can get the POC tested to see what caused the m/c. I wish I had known how easy this is to do with the previous ones and I would have had it done. But alas they don't tell you these things unless you specifically ask, which is what I had to do at my last appointment!! Anyway have a great day all, and will catch up later. ------------- http://lilypie.com">
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Posted By: Shezzey
Date Posted: 07 January 2010 at 10:26am
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We will have to get Nic to see if she can sort it...
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Posted By: Shezzey
Date Posted: 07 January 2010 at 10:30am
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http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/1daab6 - Appy's Chart CD 3 |
Posted By: SnuggleBear
Date Posted: 07 January 2010 at 1:03pm
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mrshopeful your chart looks awesome...are you trying or not trying this cycle i forget? how long is LP usually ------------- Ds1 - 20 months old Ds2 - 4 months old |
Posted By: babygiraffe
Date Posted: 07 January 2010 at 2:57pm
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Hi Trying!
No trying this month, I promosed DH we would have a break, all got a bit much the last few months. Must admit we did get carried away in the moment about 3 days before ov and didn't use protection. But FF said my chance of conceiving is low. Gulp. And I had some pinkish spotting earlier today as well so I hope thats just the beginning of AF and not implantation bleeding. My LP is usually 13 days. |
Posted By: newme
Date Posted: 07 January 2010 at 3:21pm
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Hey everyone
Just wondering what you think - it has been a week since my m/c and my temps are still high. Normally before O, they are around 35.5 - 35.9, then go up to 36.2 after O. Is this normal? |
Posted By: babygiraffe
Date Posted: 07 January 2010 at 3:28pm
| Yes Hila, mine were all over the show after my m/c - if you check out my November chart my temps were high for ages. It was hard to tell when I ov! Things will settle down soon, it might take a few weeks though. |
Posted By: Travelbug
Date Posted: 07 January 2010 at 3:45pm
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**Lurking**
I've been following you guys and feeling for you. I've been where you are 3 times so I know some of what you are feeling. Although I know we all have our own special stories and trials to get through. Maebee - glad you got onto that "Killer Cells" story - sounds like the exact same thing I read about - and I thought of you when I read it. Will keep following you to see what comes of it. Best wishes to you all. May you get more BFP (this time with sticky bubs). |
Posted By: ALittleLoopy
Date Posted: 07 January 2010 at 4:09pm
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*lurker*
I found this and i couldnt stop thinking about you guys, its an emotional video so it you dont want to watch something that will frum up the feelings DONT WATCH but i thought it deserved a post in here for you guys! HUGS! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QuiOdXC9aB4 ------------- CHEM 6/12+ |
Posted By: MaeBeeBaby
Date Posted: 07 January 2010 at 4:12pm
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hila1 you only have to look at my chart to see that temperatures appear weird during/after mc...
I am feeling really weird today - I just can't concentrate, I want to go home from work. I am that close to tears it's not funny. I guess it's hormonal, my hormones must been crawling down at last. The counsellor from Repromed called this morning to see how I was, she has been great to talk to in the past. She is a bit concerned that I haven't been physically upset yet (unusual for me I have to admit cause I usually bawl for days and weeks after this kind of thing, and yet here I am, back at work), but she seemed to appreciate that I am venting all my upsets through this forum and also by researching about natural killer cells etc. Maybe I should ring her back and tell her I am about to lose the plot round about now! I have a friend who is an equine massagist coming out to see my younger riding horse today as he is still lame, I just want to cancel her cause I want to go home and go to bed and hide from the world. But she has to juggle a babysitter round her work and I know she has arranged this for me today especially - her hubby is finishing work earlier just so she can come to me - so I won't cancel. Besides, she knows what I have gone through lately 'again' so maybe it will be good to chat to her about everything and anything BUT 'this', she's a good friend, but not one I see a lot of. I guess my horse being lame now for nearly a week is also upsetting me, cause I can't pinpoint the problem, can't find any swelling or cuts or any heat in the limbs or hoof! I am just sick of not feeling like I have any control over anything ATM. And my eczema is back - with a vengeance - on my shoulders near my bra strap - I haven't had eczema for about two years now... and it's ITCHY and BAD. Sorry for moaning.
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Posted By: MaeBeeBaby
Date Posted: 07 January 2010 at 4:13pm
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http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/1daab6 - Appy's Chart CD 4
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Posted By: ALittleLoopy
Date Posted: 07 January 2010 at 4:39pm
http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/1daab6 - Appy's Chart CD 4
its when shez tried to resize it, that made the list go funny ------------- CHEM 6/12+ |
Posted By: ALittleLoopy
Date Posted: 07 January 2010 at 4:48pm
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it should be fixed now my darlins!
someone try and quote me.... ------------- CHEM 6/12+ |
Posted By: SnuggleBear
Date Posted: 07 January 2010 at 5:02pm
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http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/1daab6 - Appy's Chart CD 4
Booya!!! ------------- Ds1 - 20 months old Ds2 - 4 months old |
Posted By: SnuggleBear
Date Posted: 07 January 2010 at 5:14pm
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aww hugs MB i think venting and crying is better out than in....i hope you feel better soon hun....lots of hugs
and hila my temps were really high right through my first cycle after m/c, they are more normal this cycle. Thanks for the hugs nic and travelbug, its lovely a whole thread to ourselves....i always feel like such a downer moaning in the charting thread...thats like my let's-talk-abt-fun-stuff thread isnt it funny wishing for it not to implantation bleeding mrsH? it makes me remember all those years when we weren;t ttcing and the relief i would feel when AF arrived and now...well now its different ------------- Ds1 - 20 months old Ds2 - 4 months old |
Posted By: lostAmber
Date Posted: 07 January 2010 at 9:41pm
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I think this is a great idea for a thread MB- thank you for establishing it. Right now this is all I can keep up with too. The meds I were on were ciprimal/citalopram. I have been on 60mg for the past three years. Coming off them in this manner is not wise I realise, and i'm suffering the consequences. I now feel nauseaus all day, am dizzy, anxious, irritable, really sensitive to smell... not nice at all. I don't care though, this is the fastest way to get them out of my system. Unfortunately it does mean I can't sit at the computer and read and respond to you all though. I have spent most of the day in bed sleeping and feeling really sick, and right now I have to head back there. Hopefully tomorrow will be a little better and I can support you as you all support me.
I can text easier if anyone is up to communicating like that? 0275 303 222 ------------- http://lilypie.com"> http://lilypie.com">
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Posted By: Shezzey
Date Posted: 07 January 2010 at 10:37pm
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LA.... i was prescribed those and havent taken them and glad i havent.... I hope you feel heaps better tomorrow |
Posted By: MaeBeeBaby
Date Posted: 08 January 2010 at 7:18am
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http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/1daab6 - Appy's Chart CD 5
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Posted By: MaeBeeBaby
Date Posted: 08 January 2010 at 7:19am
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Yay the blinkies worked!
I am STILL feeling cranky, sleep-deprived (so much on my mind!), and hormonal. Thank goodness my temperature went down today, I hope it stays like that now. |
Posted By: MaeBeeBaby
Date Posted: 08 January 2010 at 7:19am
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LA could you start taking St Johns Wort as an alternative?
T41 this too could be used as a really fun thread...! We just all need to get into our happy places. |
Posted By: newme
Date Posted: 08 January 2010 at 8:53am
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Hey LA
Feeling for you. DH came off same meds and it was horrible. Try and get some rest, it will get better :) |
Posted By: lostAmber
Date Posted: 08 January 2010 at 9:26am
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I'm feeling better today!! The only complaint I have is that ALL the muscles in my body feel as though they have repressed energy in them and its awful. I need to continually be jiggling my legs, doing press ups, walking around etc to tolerate it. I'm going to sign off now, have a shower and then walk the streets until I fall over I think. I will be back later to see how everyone else is doing.
Shezzey, they are really good meds, you're just supposed to wean yourself off them, not go cold turkey like I have. hila, did your DH taper or go cold turkey as well? MB, *hugs* babydoll. Things will return to normal hormonally for you soon. It's a bitch while they're all whacky though isnt' it! I bought some B6 yesterday, but the highest dose I could find was 250mg. I figured that will help something atleast. Am I right? ------------- http://lilypie.com"> http://lilypie.com">
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Posted By: SnuggleBear
Date Posted: 08 January 2010 at 9:32am
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i know what you mean LA i woke up today and felt like a truck has run over me....im planning on hitting the streets myself just to feel alive...argghh
I hope you feel better soon LA, what were those meds for if you dont mind me asking? MB i know it could be a fun thread and it probably will be soon im feeling more positive everyday but def not in my happy place yet....hope you find yours soon too ------------- Ds1 - 20 months old Ds2 - 4 months old |
Posted By: Shezzey
Date Posted: 08 January 2010 at 9:34am
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MB..... i think part of the reason why you feel cranky and sleep deprived is because your progesterone levels have now dropped. Progesterone is the "feel good" hormone and makes you relax and sleep better as well. The high prog level is one of the reasons why pregnancy gives one a sense of well being (apart from the ms). The withdrawal of progesterone can be attributed to pms and post natal depression too. |
Posted By: newme
Date Posted: 08 January 2010 at 9:38am
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I just read something really interesting.
I am taking vitex to regulate my cycle, and I stopped taking it about a week after O-ing as I felt I was pregnant. I just read an article saying that you should not stop taking vitex cold turkey, you should wean yourself off it slowly over a couple of months as if you stop suddenly it can cause progesterone levels to drop dramatically. I wonder if that is what happened with me? My progesterone level was only 2, and hcg level 18 on the day I started bleeding. |
Posted By: Shezzey
Date Posted: 08 January 2010 at 10:19am
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Hila..... on a lot of websites i have read that once pregnant to stop taking Vitex immediately. I think Vitex helps more with ovulation because it enables a ovulation and therefore good prog levels... |
Posted By: Shezzey
Date Posted: 08 January 2010 at 10:36am
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LA.... too much B6 can cause serious side effects... I think the B6 you have is for pms and only meant to be used for a few days prior and during AF. A multi B would be better because the other B's enable the B6 to be absorbed more efficiently. Try and go for 50mg - 80mg of B6 Here is great website for supplements needed for fertility .... http://infertility.health-info.org/fertility-diet-lifestyle/diet-supplements.html - fertility diet and supplements and extract is ... Coenzyme Q10
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Posted By: newme
Date Posted: 08 January 2010 at 10:54am
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Hi Shezzey
That is what I read to, which is why I stopped taking it. But then I had a look on the internet, and found heaps of info saying to take it for up to the first 12 weeks of pregnancy to prevent miscarraige at a lower dose, until you are weaned off it. I think I may go and talk to a naturopath, and see what they say. |
Posted By: lostAmber
Date Posted: 08 January 2010 at 4:18pm
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T41, my meds were for anxiety and depression.
Thanks for that Shelley, I think I will just stick with my antenatal and be done with it. This withdrawl is really knocking me around, I don't feel sick or agitated anymore, but holy tearful!! I came home to Jemma having stolen one of my new bras and having mangled it and I just lost it. My poor husband, but he is being amazing. ------------- http://lilypie.com"> http://lilypie.com">
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Posted By: newme
Date Posted: 08 January 2010 at 5:08pm
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LA - Yes DH came off cold turkey as they were making him tired, and reducing his sex drive (and I couldn't have that while TTC!!)
He had terrible side effect, with waves coming over his body and feeling like he was going to pass out, and aching all over and headaches. It took him a good 2 weeks before he was completely over the side effects |
Posted By: ALittleLoopy
Date Posted: 08 January 2010 at 5:15pm
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This is just for those of you who DONT get the OB mag, i thought some may be interested in this offer:
Fishpond.co.nz is offering $5 discount on the title "Small Miracles: COping with infertility, misscariage, stillbirth and premature birth" enter vouncher code OHBABY, expires 23rd jan 2010 ------------- CHEM 6/12+ |
Posted By: Hopes
Date Posted: 08 January 2010 at 8:03pm
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*Lurker in*
If you want to go for a walk some evening and burn off some energy, LA, just text me  I need to get a bit more exercise in!
*Lurker out* -------------   
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Posted By: ALittleLoopy
Date Posted: 08 January 2010 at 8:04pm
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i wish i was in the area ------------- CHEM 6/12+ |
Posted By: MaeBeeBaby
Date Posted: 08 January 2010 at 10:21pm
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My eczema is really rampant now, all over my shoulders. A friend recommended paw paw cream, a red label, not the black label, as her baby gets eczema due to allergies to cows milk one minute, goats milk the next... poor wee mite. So I am going to town to grab some in the morning.
Night night ladies, I am back off to bed. I have already had 3 hours sleep tonight - I was in bed at 7pm! I am soooooooooo tired. |