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Topic: I hate making decisions...
Posted By: X
Subject: I hate making decisions...
Date Posted: 15 February 2010 at 10:54am
Well I had my apt with the specialist this morning at Greenlane hospital. It didn't help me make a decision about VBAC vs elective at all. He just told me all the things I already knew, & then told me it's up to me. I am so confused. I hate making decisions at the best of times, & this feels like such a big decision to make. I wish I had a crystal ball so I knew how things will work out if I try for the VBAC. The specialist said that is the problem with professional women, they want to be in control & know everything, & unfortunately labour & birth are not like that. I told him actually I dont' want the c section or the VBAC & asked whether maybe the stork could bring my baby instead. Apparently not which I think just sucks.

Anyway, I have another apt booked for 23 march & if I want the c section he will book it then, but by the sounds of things it will only be performed around my due date.

I was hoping after this apt I would have a better idea of what I want to do but I'm just as confused as before. Maybe I should flip a coin....

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Posted By: Bizzy
Date Posted: 15 February 2010 at 11:30am
have you written out a list of pros and cons for both?

i'm not sure why you had a c section the first time but that may have some bearing on this time too.

For me now that i have had both a VB and c section i prefer the VB. but i suppose if you have only ever had a c section the fear of the unknown would be very daunting.

good luck with your decision making.

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Posted By: X
Date Posted: 15 February 2010 at 12:00pm
Bizzy if I knew the VBAC wasn't going to end in another emergency C section I would go for it, but of course there's no guarantee.

I didn't mind labour, I just didn't like the specialist shouting "crash c-section" & then me being wheeled straight into surgery & an aneasthetist standing next to me ready to knock me out if the epidural top up hadn't worked quickly enough & I could feel the cut. I definitely didn't like not knowing if my baby was going to be ok. It was a very stressful experience, & I'd prefer not to repeat it.

Last C section was down to failure to progress (I never got past 4cm, despite 12 hours of labour & having syntocin) & when they took him out he was posterior, chin flexed & cord round his neck, so he was never coming out the normal way. The specialist said the positioning of the baby isn't something that tends to recur, but he doesn't know why I didn't dilate, so obviously there's no guarantee I'll dilate next time.

Also a 1 in 200 risk of uterine rupture doesn't sound very low risk to me, especially when possible outcomes of uterine rupture inlcude baby dying, being brain damaged, hysterectomy for me or death for me. If the risk was 1 in 2000 or 1 in 20 000 then that would be low risk, but 1 in 200 doesn't sound great to me. I feel like maybe I'd be irresponsible taking a risk with a vbac when my 2 1/2 year old son needs his mother. Imagine something happened to the baby or me-I'd feel a right idiot for not having the elective then wouldn't I? I know it's worse case scenario, but it's still a possible scenario. I'm just scared sh*tless I think.

Argh I hate having to decide. Obviously if I could have a straight forward vbac & have a healthy baby (& be healthy myself) then the recovery would be heaps better than major abdominal surgery (especially as I have a toddler to care for), but it seems the pros of vbac (having the birth experience I'm "meant" to have & being up & about hours after with no surgery to recover from) don't outweight the possible cons (uterine rupture & all it's possible complications) . I feel like the safe option is the c section. And yes, my recovery from the c section was really good, so I'm not afraid of it, but my MW says it's only because I have nothing to compare it with.

Oh I'm so confused...

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Posted By: ElfsMum
Date Posted: 15 February 2010 at 12:42pm
hugs ! as i said to you i know how you feel.. and i went through feeling guilty about my decision and in the end he decided to try to come and then ended in c section anyway (by my choice but it would have anyway) so yeah ..my recovery first time was awful but not anywhere near as bad this time even though i was in pain from the tubes and the adhesions taken out.... i think for me i wasnt in the mindset to have a VBAC but it's such a personal thing and as you say a crystal ball would be great...once i got my c section date(which they were going on from their dates not mine) i thought he might come early..as they only do them 39 weeks here and i was 39 weeks 5 days according to my dates ..or i would have been!!!

anyway I'm rambling...good luck in your decision!

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Posted By: Bizzy
Date Posted: 15 February 2010 at 1:38pm
you dont have to make the decision immediatley so take the time you need. also i would suggest looking round this section of OB at some old topics - there are lots of interesting stories about VBACS and even a VBA3C...   you might want to look into hypnobirthing also - there is some ladies on here who are doing and have done it - to help if you decide to labour. and hopefully just writing it down on here is helping make things clearer in your head too.

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Posted By: X
Date Posted: 15 February 2010 at 1:48pm
Yeah I had a bit of look back through the posts on VBAC earlier.

Hypnobirthing is completely out of the question for me I think because I am a MAJOR wuss & i NEED the drugs. With DS my entire birth plan was the drugs! I had gas & an epidural. The thought of doing the labour thing without an epidural is not an option. I know lots of women cope just fine but I am not one of those women. I don't like pain. I know labour has to involve some degree of pain but I'm not a martyr & I will avoid the pain as much as possible. No-one gives you a badge for doing it without drugs!

I do think though that if I am going to try the VBAC I will probably have to adjust my attitude & try be more positive about the chances of success. At the moment I just don't have much faith my body can do it, which really wouldn't help labour I don't think.

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Posted By: kakapo
Date Posted: 15 February 2010 at 2:29pm

Hi Odette. I haven't had a CS, but I have just been reading about VBAC in "Ina May's Guide to Childbirth" by http://www.inamay.com/ - Ina May Gaskin .  If you can find a copy, I definitely recommend reading it.  With my first pregnancy, I was sh*t scared of labour and birth and my very first question of my MW was "Is it true you can't have an elective C-section on the Coast?" (not realising at the time what a terrible question that was to ask a homebirth MW hahaha).  I was lucky enough to meet a number of lovely women during pregnancy, including this MW and her backup, who slowly changed my whole attitude towards labour and birth. The only book I read during pregnancy was Ina May's.  I ended up believing in myself and trusting my body and having a hassle-free, natural birth in hosptial.  It helped to know that bubs was in the optimal position when I went into labour ... from what I've heard posterior babies sound a lot more painful.

Did your OB explain exactly why the chances of rupture were so high?  I don't know much about it, but isn't it more likely to happen if your placenta is attached to the previous incision site?  Would knowing the reasons behind the odds help to make your decision?



Posted By: X
Date Posted: 15 February 2010 at 2:44pm
Originally posted by kakapo kakapo wrote:

Hi Odette. I haven't had a CS, but I have just been reading about VBAC in "Ina May's Guide to Childbirth" by http://www.inamay.com/ - Ina May Gaskin .  If you can find a copy, I definitely recommend reading it.  With my first pregnancy, I was sh*t scared of labour and birth and my very first question of my MW was "Is it true you can't have an elective C-section on the Coast?" (not realising at the time what a terrible question that was to ask a homebirth MW hahaha).  I was lucky enough to meet a number of lovely women during pregnancy, including this MW and her backup, who slowly changed my whole attitude towards labour and birth. The only book I read during pregnancy was Ina May's.  I ended up believing in myself and trusting my body and having a hassle-free, natural birth in hosptial.  It helped to know that bubs was in the optimal position when I went into labour ... from what I've heard posterior babies sound a lot more painful.


Did your OB explain exactly why the chances of rupture were so high?  I don't know much about it, but isn't it more likely to happen if your placenta is attached to the previous incision site?  Would knowing the reasons behind the odds help to make your decision?



I think the risk of rupture is just a general risk. If you have more than one previous c section, a vertical rather than horizontal incision etc the risk increases. He seemed to think 1 in 200 was low risk, but it doesn't sound very low risk to me. I guess I'm just a worrier.

I will look for that book-sounds useful.

My MW is really good & she is really keen for me to try the VBAC because she says I'm young & healthy & she sees no reason I should have a c section. She thinks the specialist called for a c section too early last time & that it didn't need to be such an emergency procedure-she thinks he just panicked. I know she's also very sensible & wouldn't tell me to try if she thought it was dangerous.

I guess though that she delivers babies every day so to her abour & childbirth are second nature, but I only have one experience to go by & it didn't end well, so naturally I'm terrified.

Anyway, I will look for that book-thanks

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Posted By: TC747
Date Posted: 15 February 2010 at 7:03pm
Hi
I can empathise with your decision dilema's, I am struggling with the whole process at the moment - it's driving me nuts too!

I have been doing lots of reading & internet research which has helped with my knowledge base but hasn't really provided a clear predictor for making a decision.

C/sections carry risks too particularly for mum (bleeding, infection etc...) so get some information (if you haven't already) on what is involved.

I think it is a more emotional decision particularly when there isn't a medical reason to go with a c/s. It might be a good idea to think through what happened last time, did you feel cheated or feel like a failure? Will you feel like that if you go for an elective? If the process of how the baby arrives doesn't particularly worry you and you aren't hoping for a large family, then maybe being in control and calm leading up to birth is really important to you.
And that is okay!

Was your first labour induced? Induced labour is more painful, so if you go for vbac, you probably won't be induced. Spontaneous labour is much easier to handle particular in the early stages.

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Posted By: Nutella
Date Posted: 15 February 2010 at 8:22pm
Well I think you don't need to feel pushed into thinking you SHOULD try for a vbac. If it freaks you out and you might be stressing through labour then maybe it is just not the right choice.
I think with next baby I am having an elective c sect because I don't want that same horrid experience of being told my baby was not happy even tho chances are it may not happen again.
I guess it depends on whether you feel like you are gonna be "cheated" out of the experience but the experience of a live baby was good enough for me.


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Posted By: Febgirl
Date Posted: 15 February 2010 at 9:35pm
Reading your post, if I was you I'd go for the elective c-section. If your recovery from the emergency one was good, then surely it can only be as good or better with an elective? I could be wrong, but you seem to be leaning towards wanting the c-section but feel like you should want/have VBAC?

I've had an easy, straightforward, gas only VB and an emergency c-section - so both ends of the spectrum! - and I don't feel that VBs are the end all of giving birth.

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Posted By: X
Date Posted: 15 February 2010 at 9:50pm
Originally posted by Febgirl Febgirl wrote:

Reading your post, if I was you I'd go for the elective c-section. If your recovery from the emergency one was good, then surely it can only be as good or better with an elective? I could be wrong, but you seem to be leaning towards wanting the c-section but feel like you should want/have VBAC?

I've had an easy, straightforward, gas only VB and an emergency c-section - so both ends of the spectrum! - and I don't feel that VBs are the end all of giving birth.


So after having both, which would you choose for your next birth (if there was a next birth)? May I ask which you had first (vaginal or emergency C section) & why you had to have the c section?

I did feel cheated out of the experience with my 1st baby, but only for a few days & then I got over it & realised it really didn't matter as long as he was healthy.

I probably am leaning towards the c section, but I feel a bit guilty about it-like I am copping out. And I don't want to have any regrest after. I guess though that there is the risk of regret with either option.

Thanks everyone for all the replies-it's nice to get otehr opinions. I'm sorry I sound like such a crazy, indecisive person

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Posted By: fallen
Date Posted: 16 February 2010 at 10:49am
Ahh I remember being in this position. I hated the fact no one could guarantee that I wouldn't have to have another emergency c/s. I'd rather have the elective than run the risk of having another emergency one. I know a lot of the ladies on here have their heart set on having a vbac. Where as that really wasn't something I felt strongly about. The ob and my midwife 'encouraged' me to go for the vbac but said ultimately it was my decision. I think I knew in my own mind that I'd go for the elective right from the beginning, but I admit I did think about it a bit after some of the conversations with the different health professionals. The fact that I would be so monitored and restricted in what I could do in labour put me off too.

In the end the decision was taken out of my hands. My liver wasn't happy and Sebastian had to come early. They couldn't/wouldn't induce me so elective c/s it was. After he'd come out the ob leaned over the curtain thingy and said he was brow presentation (reason for DD's C/s) so I'd have ended up with a c/s no matter what I had wanted or tried.

Good luck making your decision but to be honest it kinda sounds like you've already made it.

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Posted By: Febgirl
Date Posted: 16 February 2010 at 12:56pm
Originally posted by Odettenz Odettenz wrote:

Originally posted by Febgirl Febgirl wrote:

Reading your post, if I was you I'd go for the elective c-section. If your recovery from the emergency one was good, then surely it can only be as good or better with an elective? I could be wrong, but you seem to be leaning towards wanting the c-section but feel like you should want/have VBAC?

I've had an easy, straightforward, gas only VB and an emergency c-section - so both ends of the spectrum! - and I don't feel that VBs are the end all of giving birth.


So after having both, which would you choose for your next birth (if there was a next birth)? May I ask which you had first (vaginal or emergency C section) & why you had to have the c section?

I did feel cheated out of the experience with my 1st baby, but only for a few days & then I got over it & realised it really didn't matter as long as he was healthy.

I probably am leaning towards the c section, but I feel a bit guilty about it-like I am copping out. And I don't want to have any regrest after. I guess though that there is the risk of regret with either option.

Thanks everyone for all the replies-it's nice to get otehr opinions. I'm sorry I sound like such a crazy, indecisive person


My first birth was the 'perfect' VB - 6 hour labour, gas only, no stitches and I was home 4 hours after giving birth. Unfortunately my second didn't go as well - she was 3 days overdue (first was 8 days early), and big - a scan the week before estimated her at 4.1kg (which was her birth weight). Labour progressed well and I was fully dilated within 3 hours of going into labour but she turned posterior during labour and got stuck and wouldn't come down. I was finally taken to theater where they tried forceps but she wans't budging at all due to her position and size, so c-section it was. I have no regrets at all about how things turned out, sometimes things don't go to plan and the only thing that matters is that you and your baby are safe and healthy afterwards.

Have to say that I am in the minority as most women have easier second labours, I think everything would have been fine if she hadn't turned and got stuck. There won't be a next time but if there was I would probably go for VBAC if scans showed a small bub, and a c-section for a larger one!

It's a really hard decision, but if you do go down the c-section route please don't feel like you are copping out - going into labour isn't the magic part of childbirth, it's the baby you've grown for 9 months finally meeting the world - it really doesn't matter how they arrive.

If you would regret having a VBAC in case it ends in emergency c-section, and regret having a c-section as you wouldn't push the baby out, what would be the worse scenario for you? Ending up with an emergency c-section, or not having a natural birth?

Good luck in your decision, either way you'll get to meet you bubba soon, very exciting times

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Posted By: toniellis
Date Posted: 16 February 2010 at 7:18pm
Hey Odette,
I see you are worried about the risk of rupture because the odds seem higher than you would like... I just wanted to put a couple of things in to help with perspective.

For example, did you know the fact that the risk of rupture is actually HIGHER in a woman having her first baby (first ever labour) than the risk of rupture in a woman having a vbac?
That is a statistical fact, with quite a few large studies done overseas that back this up.

Also IF a rupture does occur, the statistics show that fetal & maternal disability or death are on the very extreme side of rupture. There is a very good (but old & american) book called A Silent Knife that has the statistics & also notes & links to real studies done on VBAC that show it is not often all doom & gloom.


Also I read that you didn't dilate well & Bubs was posterior & malpositioned.
Chances of that happening are quite slim, I think if you talke dto your midwife she would be able to explain to you that dilation is helped along by baby's head so if Bubs is not positioned well then your cervix actually CAN'T dilate properly.

There is something call Optimal Fetal Positioning. Try googling it. Basically if you can get bubs into a good position in the last few weeks before you go into labour then it greatly improves you chances of an easier straight forward labour. I worked with this concept quite a bit when working toward my VBA2Cs and had a brilliant labour & birth for my daughter.

c-section also has just as many complications as a VBAC. Some of the more serious ones can result in emergency hysterectomy or internal organ fusion during healing. Just like VBAC risks these are on the more rare side but certainly are risks to think about.
Also a straightforward c-section is going to take longer to heal from than a straightforward vaginal birth. Even a vaginal birth with minor complications is going to have faster healing time than a straightforward c-section.
Something I really struggled with was having a toddler AND a newborn after a c-section. And I had reasonably straightforward c-sections but my natural birth was a zillion times easier.

Now in saying all this, at the end of the day it IS your choice. You have to feel comfortable with what you want to do. If you have real fears about having a vaginal birth then that can hamper you chance of having a good VBAC experience. And at the end of the day, having a healthy & happy Mum & Baby is the most important thing.
So really as your OB said, it is your choice.... LOL!


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Posted By: X
Date Posted: 16 February 2010 at 9:00pm
Toni-thanks for the post. I have heard others talking about "The silent knife" before & I think I will see if my local library has a copy I can read. I have also heard some people talk about the pink kit-I'm not keen to pay to download it but maybe I will ask around & see if anyone has a copy they would lend me.

I know the recovery from the natural birth would be heaps better-that's one of the reasons I'm still exploring my options. I guess I just fear the unknown-at least I know what to expect with the C section-with the VBAC literally aniything can happen & that scares me.

Anyway, thanks for the post & I'll look for that book

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Posted By: mummyofprinces
Date Posted: 20 February 2010 at 1:31pm
Toni added my only other piece of information and that was about rupture... no one discusses with you the risk of uterine rupture unless you have had a c-section... however most women dont know the risk they are at if they have not had a section...

I think febgirl has a point.. what will disappoint you more.. vbac ending in section or not trying at all???

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Posted By: X
Date Posted: 20 February 2010 at 2:17pm
I have thought long & hard about everything & I actually think I am going to try for the VBAC. It's a bit of a shock even to myself. I was so convinced initially that I was going to have the elective, but I think I owe it to myself to at least have a go. If I don't try, I will never know how it would've worked out. Maybe I CAN push a baby out.

I was so disappointed after the emergency c section with DS, & I guess I didn't want to feel like a failure this time round-at least if I booked the c section I would be choosing the outcome & have some semblence of control over the situation. But let's be honest, I will probably always wonder whether I could've done it. At least if I try I will know. I mean, it may very well end in another c section, but at least then I can say I did my best. I'm not a wuss in general, so I think I should at least try.

I also have a very good, sensible MW, & I will be in a hospital in case things do go wrong, & from the sounds of it it may not be all doom & gloom.

I do have some conditions I have decided on though-
No induction & no syntocin etc to augment labour.
I will try wait till I am at least 6 or 7cm dilated before having the epidural. I think last time I had it too early at 4cm.
The baby needs to be in a good position going into labour (not posterior like my last baby was)

I am going to go to refresher course on labour at Birthcare because having never gotten past 4cm before I really don't know anything about it.

So that's where I am now. I am seeing the MW next tues & will discuss it more with her.



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Posted By: Babykatnz
Date Posted: 20 February 2010 at 4:39pm
Another option is to book your c-section for a set date AFTER your EDD to give your body time to do it yourself, or set a certain number of hours in labour before making the c-section call... that way you are giving your body the space and time to try and do it without calling in the big guns so to speak... I have also heard some women say they were told they could ask for a c-section at any time duiring labour (if they'd already had one before) if they felt they couldnt cope anymore (obviously there is a point of no return, i.e baby coming down the canal, or X cm's dilated already)

Personally, I had the same thoughts as you... I had a shocker of a birth ending in a crash sectyion, and kept going back and forth between VBAC and elective, I even went to ante-nata classes to see what I could learn about labour this time around... in the end, the only selling point for a VBAC to me was faster recovery, whereas the elective would allay all my labour/delivery fears, and it also meant we could organise care for my son while I was in hospital, it meant I could HAVE a birth plan (post-birth anyways) and do all the things I missed out on with my son like skin-to-skin and attempt first feed within that first hour instead of 'winging it' just in case it ended up being another emergency c-section...

I am one of those people that freaks out at the unknown or imagines worst case scenario and cant think of positive 'what ifs' so for ME, and elective was the better choice mentally... and as it turned out physically as well.... I was officially 3 days shy of EDD and my cervix was tight, and Jae was so high up I could feel them trying to push and pull me around to pull her down enough to get her out... I cried when she came out as she came out bellowing like there was no tomorrow... as opposed to my first who came out not breathing and was whisked off to NICU before I saw/heard a thing.

After all that... I dont feel ripped off, I am thankful that I got to experience a much better delivery 2nd time around, and I even ended the day saying that I wanted to do it all again! (after B I swore I wasnt going to have another kid if THATS how it was going to go!)

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Posted By: kakapo
Date Posted: 20 February 2010 at 8:35pm

Yay Odette, good for you .

I realise you live in Auckland, but the http://www.activebirthtaranaki.org.nz/default.asp - Active Birth Taranaki website might be worth browsing if you want to learn more about natural labour and birth?  They also sell a magazine called TummyTalk for $10 which is excellent - has loads of useful info and tips and positive birth stories.  I met the women who run their antenatal active birth classes last year - really liked their approach.  They're not interested in pushing a homebirth message, they just want to educate as many women as possible about active birth and hope they utilise these skills whereever they chose to labour.

ETA - has your MW talked to you about http://www.pregnancytoday.com/articles/labor-preparation/optimal-foetal-positioning-1904/ - optimal foetal positioning ?  There are lots of things that you can do (and avoid doing) that will improve the chances of your baby being in the best birthing position by the time you go into labour.  The http://www.spinningbabies.com/ - spinning babies website has loads of info about getting baby to turn around into the optimal position. 



Posted By: X
Date Posted: 21 February 2010 at 10:41am
Originally posted by kakapo kakapo wrote:

Yay Odette, good for you .


I realise you live in Auckland, but the http://www.activebirthtaranaki.org.nz/default.asp - Active Birth Taranaki website might be worth browsing if you want to learn more about natural labour and birth?  They also sell a magazine called TummyTalk for $10 which is excellent - has loads of useful info and tips and positive birth stories.  I met the women who run their antenatal active birth classes last year - really liked their approach.  They're not interested in pushing a homebirth message, they just want to educate as many women as possible about active birth and hope they utilise these skills whereever they chose to labour.


ETA - has your MW talked to you about http://www.pregnancytoday.com/articles/labor-preparation/optimal-foetal-positioning-1904/ - optimal foetal positioning ?  There are lots of things that you can do (and avoid doing) that will improve the chances of your baby being in the best birthing position by the time you go into labour.  The http://www.spinningbabies.com/ - spinning babies website has loads of info about getting baby to turn around into the optimal position. 



Thanks for those links -will definitely look into that. I really do want to get bubs into best position possible beforehand. ALthough having said that DS was actually in the perfect position right up till the day I went into labour. When I saw MW at 2pm for a SnS he was in the right position, but when I got to the hospital at midnight that night after being in labour for about 5 hours he had suddenly turned posterior

I know I'm not hard core enough to go without the epidural completely, but I do realise that the epidural played a part in what went wrong with my labour (just by slwoing it down I guess). That's why this time I want to wait till I am a few cms further along. I guess that means I need to learn some coping mechanisms for the early stages.

I am feeling far more motivated about teh whole thiung which is good. I am trying to make it my little challenge-maybe I will even plan a little reward for myself if I do manage to push bubs out/.

On the other hand I am also going to stay very realistic, & if things don't go as planned & it does ned in anotehr emergency c section then I am not going to feel like a failure because at least I had a go.

Thanks everyone for sharing all your stories (either for or against the vbac), & please keep them all coming. It's helped a lot getting all the different viewpoints

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Posted By: mummyofprinces
Date Posted: 21 February 2010 at 7:24pm
im the same, I want to try without the epi but I do remember how much it hurts LOL I definately do not want an epi before 7cm BUT I also want to be at home for as long as possible so hoping that I will quite far along before I make it to the hospital anyway (or even dont make it at all...).

Glad you have made a decision.. fingers and toes crossed that you have a better birth experience this time around!

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Posted By: X
Date Posted: 22 February 2010 at 8:58am
Argh-vent ahead....

DH spoke to his mum last night on the phone. She is in South Africa, where C sections are almost the norm (I kid you not). Over there electives are allowed (for whatever reason-you're paying so you decide), & once you've had one C section you automatically have another-no choice for you.

Anyway, DH was telling her we haven't decided what to do yet (even though he bloody well knows I've decided to try for VBAC), & so MIL says "Oh I think she should just have the C section-it'll be so much easier". DH got off the phone & told me & I said "well that's 'cause your mum is just lazy"-which he didn't appreciate at all. Fair enough.

Anyway, lately MIL has been saying some things that really annoy me (including saying that the name I want for our baby is a TERRIBLE name, & if we use it she will never call her that, & instead she will call her "Cloe Catherine"). This has made me even more determined to have the VBAC just to prove I can do it & prove her wrong. Probably sounds a bit childish but she is just driving me batty at the moment. Thank goodness we don't live near her anymore....

Right, vent over.

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Posted By: TC747
Date Posted: 23 February 2010 at 7:08pm
Good on you Odettenz for giving VBAC a go - I have decided to give it a go too - so I will be interested in now you go & wish you all the best!

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Posted By: mummyofprinces
Date Posted: 25 February 2010 at 7:39pm
grr to MIL, mine has a habit of sticking her big beak in but she wouldnt dare say anything about how I should labour!

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Posted By: X
Date Posted: 02 March 2010 at 2:20pm
Just a quick update: I had an appointment with my MW this morning & it went well. I really love my midwife. She is just so supportive & easy going.

The specialist had sent her a letter saying I was gointg to opt for the elective C section, so when I said "um, actually I'm going to give natural a try" she was pleasantly surprised & actually gave me a hug which was sweet. We discussed everything & she said I should go see the specialist again on 23 March & we should book a C section for 41 weeks. She said she doesn't think I should be induced, because it doubles the risk of rupture, so if I haven't gone into labour by 41 weeks I should have a c section. But she said she will start doing stretch & sweeps from 39 weeks so hopefully I go into labour spontaneously. She said I mustn't worry about anything-it's all still completely up to me, & we'll just see how labour goes. If everything is running smoothly then that is great & I'll deliver vaginally, but if at any point it starts going pear shaped or isn't progressing or I feel like I don't want to carry on (for whatever reason) then I can have the c section. She said it is totally up to me & I am in control, & she will just be there to support me.

I feel so much better after seeing her, & much more motivated to have the vbac. The thing I hated about DS's birth was how out of control everything felt (I am such a control freak). After talking to my MW I feel like this time is going to be completely different & very controlled. I know I am in good hands so I am just going to go into it with an open mind. If all goes well & I get my VBAC then great. If it doesn't go according to plan then I'll have the c section but it is not going to be horrible & stressful like last time because they are going to keep a close eye on me. And at least I will know I did my best.

Yay for lovely MWs!

Hope everyone is having a good day

Oh and she said bubs is head down but head not in pelvis yet, & said bubs is nice & small (not too small, but not a monster-which is GREAT!)

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Posted By: JoJames
Date Posted: 03 March 2010 at 12:55pm
Good on you Odette, its great when you have a good MW.
Couple of things that I'm doing to hopefully get my VBAC is I've been taking 5W and EPO since 35 weeks cause its suppose to make everything soft and stretchy and my MW has recommeneded acupuncture from 37 weeks- 37 and 38 week appts are to get the body ready then 39 weeks is an induction appt. MW reckons she has great success rates with it. I'm pretty much willing to try everything.
I've heard some great VBAC stories lately so I'm just focusing on them.

Hope it all works out for you.

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Posted By: X
Date Posted: 25 April 2010 at 5:53pm
Just wanted to pop & post quick. I will write up my birth story when I get a chance, but for now I will just say that I got my VBAC in the end (on thurs 22 Apr) & it was AMAZING. I can't believe I was actuallly considering having an elective c section.

Giving birth naturally was the most wonderful experience I have ever had & although it was much harder than an elective & scary at times it was just mindblowingly wonderful & rewarding & happy. I am even looking forward to doing it again (yes, you heard right-I loved it so much I want to repeat it!).

It wasn't a "perfect delivery" but it was wonderful nevertheless & I will write about it soon. All I can say to the women considering a vbac is don't be afraid-it is such an empowering, beautiful thing & no-one should be afraid of that.

I'll post full story when I get a chance.


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Posted By: mummyofprinces
Date Posted: 25 April 2010 at 7:10pm
Great news Odette, cant wait to hear all about it

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Posted By: kakapo
Date Posted: 26 April 2010 at 10:09am

Yay Odette - that news has made my day!  So pleased for you  .




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