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Topic: Calling all Secondary School Teachers...
Posted By: flakesitchyfeet
Subject: Calling all Secondary School Teachers...
Date Posted: 20 May 2010 at 2:06pm
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I need help!
I think I finally know what I would like to do post SAHMship. I would love to be a secondary school career and guidance counselor. I can't find anywhere though, any information on miniumum qulaifications, general hours or pay? Could you direct me on which way to look? Thanks! (as a sidenote, I know how specific I'm being and the reality of finding a job. We'll always be country bumpkins, I figure that will always be country bumpkins so that works in my favour. Also, we are lucky in the fact that I don't have to work to make ends meet, so there's no hurry  )-------------  http://lilypie.com"> |
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Posted By: Panda289
Date Posted: 20 May 2010 at 2:27pm
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Hi Flake
I am currently finishing my degree this year so next year i can do my teaching diploma for primary school teaching so given recent research i can recommend going to www.teachnz.co.nz and clicking on Secondary Teaching and Where to Study and open up the booklet thats in PDF file at the bottom of the page. it tells you what qualifications you need etc and even gives the current income you can earn which at base rate is $45,653 going up to a top rate after seven years to $68,980. I chose primary because for secondary the way i am doing it i would need to have had done my degree in two subjects and i only did one and primary school salary is only about $1k behind secondary salary, the salary is a bit limited but i dont mind because there is more holidays and when i have kids i wont have issues trying to get babysitters in the school holidays  ------------- http://lilypie.com" rel="nofollow">  
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Posted By: Panda289
Date Posted: 20 May 2010 at 2:29pm
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oh totally just missed that you meant school councillor in which case i wouldnt have any idea! you could probably still find something on the website anyway.. ------------- http://lilypie.com" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: mummy_becks
Date Posted: 20 May 2010 at 4:00pm
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Talk to me I am the secondary practicum administrator for Massey. I know the degree inside out. PM if you want to know my details and I can talk to you at work with all my info there. ------------- I was a puree feeder, forward facing, cot sleeping, pram pushing kind of Mum... and my kids survived! |
Posted By: lizzle
Date Posted: 20 May 2010 at 5:40pm
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greath thing about a primary post grad is that you can work in primary AND secondary - but secondary you can only work primary.
I know the counsellor at our school was also the science teacher, so it might pay to have another subject to pursue as well - especially if you prefer country areas. Oh, but do you have a degree already? |
Posted By: Peanut
Date Posted: 20 May 2010 at 6:46pm
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Mooglesbubs, I did a post grad in Secondary Teaching and my degree was nursing. I had no problems even thou it was basically only one subject which was health - I then managed to Major in Health and minor in Social Studies and PE. So might be woth looking at if you are interested in Secondary.
Lizzle - Primary can only teach to year 10 without furthur PD, or thats the way its suppose to be but we all know that it goes on. Secondary you can teach down to Year 7. At my school what you are wating to do are 2 completely different jobs - We have a guidance councellor and a careers advisor. It would depend on which one you wanted to do on what qualifications you would need. |
Posted By: flakesitchyfeet
Date Posted: 20 May 2010 at 7:21pm
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my laptop keyboard is playing up so please excuse the lactk of punction among other things :)
thanks bex will do! i was semi hoping i could do some form of diploma to help get a foot in the door and then cross credit to a degree extramurally further down the track peanut my first response is easily guidance counselor however out here at least one school i know of the role is combined i guess because of the number of pupils< but it would so me fine if the roles were individual! ------------- http://lilypie.com"> |
Posted By: Peanut
Date Posted: 20 May 2010 at 7:56pm
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If you are more keen on guidance counselling than look into qualifications for that as the career guidance stuff can be done while you are employed with a school. I would ring round a few schools and see who has them combined etc.
I really don't know as I have only worked in 2 schools and both were not combined. I remember looking into guidance counselling after my first year teaching but decided I should actually stick to a job for longer than a year before retraining 
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Posted By: lizzle
Date Posted: 20 May 2010 at 8:02pm
that's interesting! I am secondary trained, with no interest in teaching intermediate (although i knew i could), but about 50% of my colleagues are primary trained...teaching all levels. haha |
Peanut wrote:Posted By: Peanut
Date Posted: 20 May 2010 at 9:05pm
| Yeah, its "interesting" aye. They are really not suppose to be...What age are they? I think the rules changed awhile back as the ones I know all trained about 15-20 years ago. A lady at work recently was primary trained and taught to year 10 and then had to attend workshops to teach NCEA....I personally think its crap that they teach higher than year 10. |
Posted By: lizzle
Date Posted: 20 May 2010 at 10:00pm
| young....but maybe they have had extra training - no idea. but tbh, sometimes I think i need early childhood training to deal with my year 12 boys. "no joseph, we don't punch people in the class - gentle touching only please" |
Posted By: weegee
Date Posted: 20 May 2010 at 10:53pm
LOL lizzle I was commenting today that my Year 11 boys are really not that different from toddlers so I hear you on that one 
My school is only starting up - this is our second year of operation and first year in the new building (you might spot me on the news tomorrow night cos the PM is officially opening our school building tomorrow) - and last year the counsellor and careers advisor were the same person. This year there are three people working in that area, the one person from last year has remained on in an overview type position and there's a new careers advisor and a new counsellor. So I think you're right about the size of the school being a factor. I think you can approach it from two directions - I know of people who have teaching quals doing it, but I also know of people in that kind of position who have done psych (or something like that!) and a separate counselling diploma. ------------- 
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Posted By: E&L+1
Date Posted: 21 May 2010 at 9:10am
Totally agree with this! I'm primary trained and I wouldn't want to teach higher than year 10 (actually don't really want to teach past year 6), my DP is secondary trained (he got jealous of my holidays so went back to uni) and I am suprised at the number of teachers he works with who are primary trained teaching up to year 13! Although if they already had a degree in the subject they are teaching and had done a post grad that might be a bit different as they would have the subject knowledge they need. As long as they had done NCEA PD. Still think they should be doing the papers at uni rather than just the PD though. ETA sorry that is a bit off topic but there is a careers avisary service out there perhaps giving them a call or even your local high school to find out what they look for in those roles. ------------- http://lilypie.com">  http://lilypie.com">
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Posted By: Peanut
Date Posted: 21 May 2010 at 9:19am
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A new school would be awesome to teach in Weegee.
Does anyone teach in single sex schools? I teach all boys so I find my year 13's are still toddler like! My boys use to constantly hit, touch, annoy each other. At the schools I have been in - the guidance counsellors do no teaching so only have couselling qualifications specalizing in teenagers and the careers people are teachers who have done training in careers. I always find it interesting how school all operate so differently in terms of what they allow etc. The first school I was in had no teachers that were primary trained as they wouldn't employ them. |
Posted By: flakesitchyfeet
Date Posted: 21 May 2010 at 1:25pm
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EsmesMum I've looked at kiwi careers, stuff, trade me and the ed gazette for some clues lol, I'm not having much luck! I'm going to email the guys out this way over the weekend, but was hoping for a more banket general standards answer. I guess there isn't one! ------------- http://lilypie.com"> |
Posted By: Jessica
Date Posted: 21 May 2010 at 9:21pm
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Peanut, I have taught in a girls school and a boys school, I could never get over how rough boys were with each other and I how nasty some girls were to each other! For all though though I LOVED it and now that Tess is almost a year I am thinking of going back to do a couple of days a week - I miss my girls! ------------- 
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Posted By: flakesitchyfeet
Date Posted: 15 June 2010 at 10:43am
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I was fully shot down by the PPTA, who were finally able to give me some straight answers after I tried every other possible avenue.
Quite simply, despite how passionate I am about counseling services being available without repercussion to secondary school students, I would still need to complete a core subject bachelors degree, then my teacher training, then teach for a few years, apply for a grant, and return to do a masters. Teachers train to teach, counselors train to counsel! I don't really understand it, but the lady said it all came down to the bottom dollar, at least that's how I interpreted it. In the meantime, while all of this research was going on, DH has decided he's off to grad school next year to do his teacher training. I must admit, I'm now slightly tempted to follow him, although it's obviously going to take me alot longer. We are based rurally, and by choice because of lifestyle we will be forever. That means if we were to both teach, we could end up at the same rural school. Is that actually allowed? What would life be like if there were two secondary teachers in the same household? Would our family be lost under paperwork? Thanks guys ------------- http://lilypie.com"> |
Posted By: Peanut
Date Posted: 15 June 2010 at 12:27pm
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Yip, that is allowed! I have taught in a couple of schools where there have been husband and wife combos. Kinda cute really
Most of our friends are teachers married to teachers - either both secondary or one secondary, one primary. My DH is a primary teacher and I am secondary. It makes life really easy as we both understand what the other means so can have great conversations and advice sessions. Most of the time school type things don't clash so we haven't had problems since having DS1 in terms of chidlcare etc but obviously if you taught in the same school you woul have that issue. Go for it I say! I love teaching but would seriously look at primary as its much easier to do part time or job share which would make it easier with children. -------------  
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Posted By: High9
Date Posted: 15 June 2010 at 12:49pm
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I don't know if it's been mentioned but whenever I am in between choices for jobs etc I go to the career services http://www2.careers.govt.nz/get_job_info.html - Link to Job Info section of Website , it's a NZ site and has tonnes of info on Jobs such as pay, how to get into the job, the work, what a typical day is like... etc Heaps of info! And who to contact. ------------- http://lilypie.com"> 
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Posted By: flakesitchyfeet
Date Posted: 15 June 2010 at 3:14pm
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Yup, know of that website, it was one of the first I went to when looking at secondary school counselling. It is fantastic ------------- http://lilypie.com"> |
Posted By: maysie
Date Posted: 16 June 2010 at 9:18am
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Flake, I used to nanny for a family and the mother was doing postgraduate study to be a careers advisor. I think it was through AUT. She was previously an English teacher at secondary school (before she had kids!). But this was almost 10 years ago so things may have changed since then ------------- http://lilypie.com"> 
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