Porse carer leaves baby alone :(
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Topic: Porse carer leaves baby alone :(
Posted By: nicandtyler
Subject: Porse carer leaves baby alone :(
Date Posted: 11 December 2010 at 7:59am
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http://msn.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10693581&ref=rss - Article
That would be horrible to come to!Poor family and bubba ------------- http://lilypie.com"> 
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Posted By: kellie
Date Posted: 11 December 2010 at 9:43am
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The carer should be named and shamed. ------------- 
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Posted By: High9
Date Posted: 11 December 2010 at 12:59pm
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Agree with Kellie and man I would be so pissed off it wouldn't be funny. ------------- http://lilypie.com"> 
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Posted By: HoneybunsMa
Date Posted: 11 December 2010 at 2:12pm
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Gosh I would have been straight on the phone to Porse or to DP who would have been straight over I have no doubt. I also would have waited maybe 5mins and smashed a window to get baby out. Its completely irresponsible as well as inexcusible! ------------- http://www.myfitnesspal.com/weight-loss-ticker"> 
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Posted By: tiptoes
Date Posted: 12 December 2010 at 7:55pm
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I can't imagine what was going through her head to think it was ok to leave the baby for over 2 hours?? What could possibly have been so important? Could she not have taken the baby with her? She supposedly has her own children, so I wonder if she took them and left the baby?
They've named her now and seems the father did force his way in. He wasn't sitting outside waiting  ------------- http://alterna-tickers.com">  
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Posted By: cuppatea
Date Posted: 12 December 2010 at 8:57pm
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Oh that's good, it made it sound like he had sat outside waiting, i was thinking WTF, why didn't he break in?
It's so horrid and sadly will put a lot of people of in home care when there are some trully great carers out there that would never ever do something so ridiculously stupid and irresponsible. I'm glad they've named her and I hope porse talk to other in home carer companies to make sure she doens't sign up to work for someone else. ------------- 
 
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Posted By: Red
Date Posted: 13 December 2010 at 10:03am
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They named her in the Sunday Paper yesterday, apparently she was under alot of stress. No excuse though - she should have rung the parents if she had to go somewhere urgently. ------------- http://lilypie.com">  http://lilypie.com">
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Posted By: Bebymumma
Date Posted: 13 December 2010 at 3:04pm
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I'm glad this story was in the Herald, more mums needs to know that despite inhome operators saying you can have piece of mind with them it's not always true. My then eleven month old baby was in home based care and when I got home I found he had bruised bite marks on his body.
I immediately rang the carer, she replied that it hadn’t happened while the child was in her care. I believed her and took my son back the next day and blow me, more bites that night. I took my child out then and rang the supervisor, who promised to follow up. To my disgust, this same mother is advertising for more children in the local paper. So I rang the supervisor and she said she believed the carer that it hadn't happened at her home and no further action would be taken. This mum should be dealing with her poor child's jealousy issues that his toys are being played with not taking in more children. Since I have started telling other mums about my experience I've heard of other carer's boyfriends popping in and scaring the children in her care; how children can spend hours in the car dropping of the inhome carer's children to school and so on. If you can find a good inhome carer I am sure they are fantastic but how do you know. I read in the US when in home carers had videos put on them over half of parents took their kids out! What does that tell you. Trust your instincts mums. |
Posted By: TheKelly
Date Posted: 27 December 2010 at 7:45pm
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I guess when you leave your child, your most precious treasure with anyone you are never a hundred percent safe, but some really do make it worse for others, like the one you had Bebymumma, and the family in the article.
As 2boys said its a shame,because there are some great carers out there, my mother nannies for porse and she would never ever let anything happen to the kids she looks after....if you put your kids with an inhome carer, you have to trust your instincts and if it doesn't feel right, take them out ------------- 
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Posted By: High9
Date Posted: 27 December 2010 at 8:39pm
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I read that she didn't lose her job, just got a fine and that it was stress, can't find the article but will keep searching for it. ------------- http://lilypie.com">
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Posted By: High9
Date Posted: 27 December 2010 at 8:43pm
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http://msn.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10693750 - Nanny under stress
http://msn.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10695213 - Nanny says sorry http://msn.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10696300 - Nanny $200 fine - too little ------------- http://lilypie.com">
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Posted By: kellie
Date Posted: 28 December 2010 at 8:06am
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A $200 fine is BS. You would think leaving a child home alone, a child you are being paid to look after, would be a sackable offense.
She says in the article that Porse supported her?? Also, her husbands comment that it was "just a silly mistake" is a bit too much really :/ -------------
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Posted By: High9
Date Posted: 28 December 2010 at 12:02pm
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Anyone else who left THEIR OWN kid at home, let alone a baby would have got a harsher penalty if you ask me... ------------- http://lilypie.com">
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Posted By: TheKelly
Date Posted: 02 January 2011 at 7:49pm
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only a $200 fine? thats ridiculous,she should have lost her job for that -------------
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Posted By: LJsmum
Date Posted: 02 January 2011 at 8:14pm
crazy she should have been fined heaps more!
I would never leave my child in an educators / in home carers home. As an ece teacher and have worked visiting in home carers, i have seen some shocking practice! I would never leave my child with one adult in a house all on their own. Who is watching them? Where is the accountability.?? Who do they have over to visit? Nigel latta doesn't think it's a good idea. it's just too risky. there are some excellent carers out there  but childcare with more than one adult is just safer in my opinion.-------------  
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Posted By: High9
Date Posted: 02 January 2011 at 9:09pm
One of the mums I know was telling us that she had an interview about putting her DD in an in home care based care and the woman who run the place said she had recently interview a few people wanting to be carers but had to turn them down because one - to discipline children would 'place her hands on their heads and pray' another said she'd 'lock them in their bedroom until they understood'. 
You have to wonder, they must have been very honest people, imagine the people that maybe BS to get the job. ------------- http://lilypie.com">
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Posted By: blondy
Date Posted: 02 January 2011 at 10:49pm
I think this really depends on your carer. We have an excellent porse carer, who has become like extended family for us, and I wouldn't have things any other way. DD's personality meant that when she went into care part-time at 12months, there's no way she would have coped with a large daycare setting, and now she loves her carer and the other kids so much, we don't want to move her! I did interview several carers before finding one that we 'clicked' with, and you do have to be very careful obviously (apparently especially in West Auckland ), but we took the time to get to know DD's carer, and as we have no family around, it was the perfect option for us. In my mind, it was a more realistic setting that wasn't completely child-centric (where 'normal' things like doing the groceries, dishes, housework became something that DD learned from - just like she would at home). Obviously you need to have a trusting relationship with your carer and have really good communication!
Do I think this particular carer was completely irresponsible and negligent? Yes, of course.... but that doesn't mean that all carers are. Anyway, just wanted to stand up for porse and west auckland as we've had really good experiences! I think sadly there are always going to be people out there that don't think through their actions and end up hurting other people....and absolutely a $200 fine wasn't enough! (why oh why didn't she just tell the family what she was doing?  ).-------------  
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LJsmum wrote:Posted By: cuppatea
Date Posted: 02 January 2011 at 11:36pm
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$200 is an absolute joke, she should have been given a lifetime ban from caring.
Blondy we are much the same, my eldest would not have coped in a chaotic daycare setting he gets too overwhelmed, and no surprise really I was ready to leave them after 5 mins cos they do my head in, imagine being stuck there all day! Plus it meant my two boys could stay together rather than being separated out like daycare centres do. I have no doubt our carer would give her life to protect my boys, she's one of the most awesome loving people I know, plus she doens't do it for the money, she does it because when her own kids went to school she missed having little ones around, she genuinely enjoys looking after them, rather than just doing it for a few extra bucks which I know some SAHMs do. I guess at the end of the day their are risks to in home care but then there are also risks to centre based care as well, there have been enough horror stories about those in the media and I know plenty of friends who have to change centres as they had concerns about the level of care/attention that their child was recieving. -------------
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Posted By: LJsmum
Date Posted: 05 January 2011 at 6:53pm
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There are risks in both home based and centre care, BUT in centre care there is accountability, people are around and there is always more than one adult.
The number one concern i have about in home care is ther is only one adult and possibly 4 children that's the max, maybe 2 under 2yrs and 2 over 2yrs. So what happens when the carer has to go to the toilet ? or change a nappy ? Where are the 3 other children or deal with a phone call?? I understand that the carer can't be with the children every second. But i would just never do it! it's tooo risky.!!!
There are some awful centres BUT saftey wise,they have polcies, practices, accountability they are safer in my view. Having worked in both fields. In regards to concerns over care and attention at centres. Always pick a smaller centre with less kids than 50 for preschool, 25 or less is ideal. For under 2's less than 15 is ideal.under 1's less than 6. -------------
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Posted By: Delli
Date Posted: 05 January 2011 at 7:45pm
How is this any different to a SAHP looking after their own four children on their own? ------------- http://lilypie.com"> 
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Posted By: LJsmum
Date Posted: 06 January 2011 at 9:13pm
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True i suppose, it's a bit different as your getting paid possibly min $20 an hour if you have 4 kids and they are someone elses.
Wouldn't it be great to get paid $20 an hour to look after your own four kids.  -------------
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Posted By: cuppatea
Date Posted: 06 January 2011 at 9:48pm
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I know that our carer doesn't get to go to the toliet by herself, the kids follow her, the same as they follow me when I'm home...lol
Our carer takes the kids to kindy so on some days she has time free, 3 of the kids are at kindy and my youngest naps, I expect she makes phone calls etc during that time. They would plan their days the same as SAHM's do. -------------
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Posted By: blondy
Date Posted: 06 January 2011 at 11:45pm
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Exactly two boys - when I'm at home, I'm certainly not hovering over Nat, and I don't expect our carer to do the same.... but yes, I'm also sure she, like me never gets to go to the toilet alone!
I think our carer tries to arrange things so that the kids that nap are all down at the same time, but I make phone calls while Nat is awake, so don't see why our carer shouldn't? In my mind, it's like extended family looking after her, so I would expect any 'normal' SAHM activities to take place while Nat is there. -------------
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Posted By: NovemberMum
Date Posted: 07 January 2011 at 1:13am
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I know if my child was in HBC and her carer spent all day talking on the phone I would not be happy after all I am paying them to look after my child.
there are certain things I do at home that I could not do if I was a homebased carer..eg be on my computer playing farmtown lol (computer is in the lounge) or let my daughter play outside without me or take a shower while my 2 play in the lounge. so while I would expect normal activities such was baking hanging out washing to be carried out while children are in care i would kind of expect them to supervise my child more so than I would..eg if my child was outside I would expect the carer to be able to see them at all times. ------------- http://lilypie.com"> 
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Posted By: blondy
Date Posted: 07 January 2011 at 9:01am
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sorry - i didn't word my post well! i just meant incidental things (like a quick phonecall), rather than longer periods on the phone/internet (like i might do ) obviously i still expect a high level of care & supervision (as should everyone), but i'm not going to worry if the carer has to make a quick toilet stop or phonecall (assuming she's still got her eye on Nat). -------------
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Posted By: just_me
Date Posted: 04 March 2011 at 12:41pm
| I read in the hearlad that this lady did lose her job immediately and Porse was appauled by her behaviour. I find it interesting that In-Home child care is getting slammed in many of the posts on here and that daycares are safer I can assure you they are not. This appauling situation that happened by one womans absurd actions has resulted in a lot of talk about all types of daycare. I have heard so many horror storied from woman who have had terrible daycare experiences so to be honest daycares arent the safer option, just because they dont make headlines it doesnt mean they dont happen. Here are some examples A daycare went on a picnic accidently leaving a toddler in a daycare building for the day the mother went to the picnic to pick her child up and they couldnt find him they had left him at the daycare the whole time didnt even notice he wasnt with them as they have so many children. My friends baby was in care for 9 hours didnt get a single bottle he was still on 4 hourly feeds they said he wouldnt take it turns out they had heated it up but not bothered to take the cap off under the teat so he was screaming cos no milk was coming out, which would make one assume they clearly didnt test the milks temp before trying to give it to the child. Another child I know was screaming when his mother showed to pick him up the daycare responded he was in trouble for climbimng on pots they told him not to but he continued so when he fell they didnt cuddle him they said we told you not to climb on there and he went into a so called tantrum turned out his "tantrum" was that he had broken ribs along with shoulder injuries, they didnt even check him for injuries when he fell instead they were trying to prove a point to the child he was in pain for hours. my point is you cant guarantee good educators in general you have to go by your gut instinct interview the careers youll find there are amazing ones with in- home childcare and from what I have noticed theu lookin into allt he agencies Porse is by far the best they are very strict and have really high standards as an agency noone should let one ladies stupidity put them off interviewing educators thru Porse. |
Posted By: LJsmum
Date Posted: 18 March 2011 at 8:06pm
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sounds like you work for porse Just_me? You are very negative against daycare, selecting a few shocking stories about daycare to slam it.
Both daycare and in home carers have there issues, there is no denying that. having worked in the Early childhood sector for 12 years in both home based and centre based i would say: Do your research and don't listen to a few horror stories. But in my opinion and when asked by others, as a whole day care is 100 times safter. Trust your gut always -------------
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Posted By: High9
Date Posted: 18 March 2011 at 9:21pm
Agree and hopefully any parent with a brain would do their research, visit a few centres and carers and pick one that suits their family well... If something doesn't feel right then chances are it isn't. ------------- http://lilypie.com">
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