Training to be a mum
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Topic: Training to be a mum
Posted By: GuestGuest
Subject: Training to be a mum
Date Posted: 15 March 2011 at 3:44pm
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Does anyone else find it strange that you need to pass a course to look after someone elses child (eg be a Porse in-home carer) but supposedly are perfectly able to look after your own without any sort of qualifications? I was thinking about it the other day when I noticed a Porse office that offered training.
Do you think it should be compulsory to sit a course and pass it in order to be a mum? If not, why is it so important to do this to look after other people's children? |
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Posted By: CrazyCass
Date Posted: 15 March 2011 at 3:58pm
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Good Point LR!
I guess it could be because with your own kids you can do what you like... yes some are worse than others... but then when you are responsible for a basically strangers child there needs to be 'standard' that is set for them to meet? No doubt everyone has a different idea of what being a good parent is but you wouldnt want you youngster left with someone that will just plop them down in front of the TV all day.... If only we could make people do a course we wouldn't have the issues the country seems to have with families misstreading their young children ------------- http://lilypie.com"> 
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Posted By: mothermercury
Date Posted: 15 March 2011 at 4:35pm
And you have to get a license to get a dog, but you don't need anything to have kids. 
But in all seriousness, imposing restrictions on people's ability to procreate probably imposes on human rights in a pretty big way. Saying "You can't have kids unless you do this course" would be pretty controversial. And what would the punishment be? You're free to do as you choose with your own body, and having kids is one of those things. Unfortunately, some idiots have kids and treat them badly, but I can see how forcing everyone to do a course would probably end up just inconveniencing all the people who would be excellent parents (and MOST people aren't child abusers). To be honest, the people who end up abusing their kids are not the kind who would take part in these courses. Even if it was the law - these people obviously do not care about what the law has to say.  I just can't see it working in the way that it would be intended to work.
On the other hand, it is DEFINITELY a good thing to have to do a course to look after others' children. Short of abuse, we can do what we like with our own kids, but we all have such different views on what is "okay" in terms of child-rearing that it is a good idea for people to be trained in "proper" ways to deal with kids. My 2 cents! |
Posted By: astral_monkey
Date Posted: 15 March 2011 at 4:39pm
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I'm a firm believer that 'life skills' should be taught at school - including a parenting course. Just an extension of health class really.
There are so many kids out there that are never taught the basics about money, or cooking, or anything like that. And if they don't know it, how are they supposed to teach it to their own kids? It's a very good point LR! Also, if only we could castrate some people we wouldn't have the issues either, CC. ------------- http://lilypie.com" rel="nofollow">  |
Posted By: JadeC
Date Posted: 15 March 2011 at 4:56pm
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Wow, can you imagine the out-cry? Look at the repeal of 59 of the Crimes Act, and the whole "OMG the govt is trying to raise our children!" drama that followed. ------------- http://pregnancy.baby-gaga.com/" rel="nofollow"> 
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Posted By: smw85
Date Posted: 15 March 2011 at 4:59pm
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You do have to wonder about some people though, maybe they need to take a course. Or be disqualified from looking after their own children.
I remember in the news in February about a pregnant woman from Oamaru who avoided jail for animal neglect. She had nine dogs, some who had been locked in a a back shed with no food or water and floor was covered in faeces and urine. Few of the puppies had died. The judge didnt send her to jail because she was pregnant but disqualified her from owning a dog for ten years. So why is she allowed to to look after her own children if she is legally not allowed to look after a dog. Does that not put our countries children at a lower standard of care than dogs? Personally my opinion is a very hard line. The news stories about children being abused by their own parents disgusts me. Especially when you hear they are having more children! I believe that once convicted of crimes against your own kids, you should be booked into hospital the next day for tubes tied or given the snip. I wouldn't mind my taxer payers dollars used for that. Other than that, for parents that the system had obviously highlighted are struggling with children they need to have court ordered parenting courses. Perhaps run by Parents Inc - they are great ive heard! ------------- http://lilypie.com"> 
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Posted By: smw85
Date Posted: 15 March 2011 at 5:02pm
Wow, amen to that! I was too scared to say castrate! I agree, the government should not be raising our children. They need to protect our children. ------------- http://lilypie.com">
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astral_monkey wrote:Posted By: rorylex
Date Posted: 15 March 2011 at 6:29pm
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well actually most people do do courses when they are expecting a child or have a child, antenatal classes followed by baby classes then a range of classes that teach basic parenting skills and are all optional but alot of people are doing them. then playcentre offer courses to help teach you how to effectively interact with yours and others children.
I do think people doing in home care need to be trained as they are being made responsable for other peoples children, and they are being paid to. if i wanted to pay someone to sit my kids infront of a tv i would just hire a babysitter whom i dont expect to have training in anything other than 1st aid. ------------- Mummy to 4 boys Samuel - 18.6.05 Rory - 15.7.06 Mason - 13.06.08 Emmett - 24.01.10 Baby #5 - cooking |
Posted By: Chickoin
Date Posted: 15 March 2011 at 6:56pm
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I know what you mean, LR, before I had #1 I was kind of freaked out that I was 'allowed' to take this tiny newborn baby home with no previous experience or training and be 100% responsible for her. Just felt strange to me! -------------   
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Posted By: High9
Date Posted: 15 March 2011 at 8:33pm
Agree + lucky for me - being 20 - being a mum came natural to me! but not for everyone I know!
I think it's a bit different looking after someone else's kids tbh and as someone else mentioned we all parent in different ways etc. I guess it just sets a 'standard' sorta thing if that makes sense... ------------- http://lilypie.com"> 
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Posted By: kandk
Date Posted: 15 March 2011 at 10:51pm
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Speaking as a secondary teacher I am fairly sure that any course would be pretty much a waste of time for many people! Teenagers who aren't interested in learning just won't take it in, and in any case a course of say 20 hours hasn't got a chance of overcoming 16 years of bad parenting examples.
There are parenting courses available through Plunket etc, and those who chose to go to them benefit, I'm sure. Those who don't choose to probably aren't willing to learn (wild overgeneralisation maybe sorry!). But it's like compulsory AA or drug rehab - needs the participant to want to be there. ------------- http://lilypie.com">  http://lilypie.com">
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Posted By: WestiesGirl
Date Posted: 15 March 2011 at 11:45pm
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I find it interesting that you need a licence to drive a car but not to breed!
I agree that it should be taught in school as 'life skills' as a compulsory subject. ------------- Our Angel July 08  Gone but not forgotten
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Posted By: High9
Date Posted: 16 March 2011 at 8:34am
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Actually that's a fair point - you can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink. As we are all raised differently - it affects how we parent and what we see as 'normal' or 'good'/'bad', what 'works' and what doesn't etc. ------------- http://lilypie.com">
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Posted By: GuestGuest
Date Posted: 16 March 2011 at 9:08am
I think a lot of people feel like this but how do you define "natural"? I'm sure if everyone was given training on childcare and child psychology it would make people think differently about the best techniques for raising a child. I definitely think First Aid should be compulsory at least. |
Posted By: High9
Date Posted: 16 March 2011 at 9:38am
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Do agree there, I guess I found most of it to be common sense tbh which I suppose some people lack, sure it's new territory etc but for me personally I didn't find myself asking for advice as I just seemed to 'know' what to do and we haven't had any problems, she's happy and healthy, etc...
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Posted By: jazzy
Date Posted: 16 March 2011 at 10:34am
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Interesting topic.
When I did child care I trained at teachers college but that was more for teaching that parenting. As a parent I would not leave my child with the "lady down the rd" cause I need a sitter but would look for some where they would be safe & happy & have a standard or care & education I was happy with. I don't need them to be a parent to my child. I agree with first aid & think every parent/person should have a good understanding. That it should be taught at school/work place & if on a benefit they should run free causes & not just for child first aid /CPR but for all. I don't think it is up to the school system to teach a child about being a parent or consequences of having unprotected sex it is up to the parents. I will do all I can to teach my boys how to be safe & not have kids young..that they can learn from their dad & not make the mistakes he made. There are a range of parenting courses you can do & not that expensive & some are free. Millions of books, ways, organisations that can help with BF, sleep, care & what ever you need. So there is help available & a lot of information is given. I guess as a parent you have your own way of doing things & what you want for your child. All children are different, my 3 have different natures so need different boundaries, discipline & reasoning so can not put them all into to the same "box". I think it is important to raise your children as individuals, nurture & encourage their personalities & let them grow into who they are to be, which is all different. The parents/people who hurt, murder & comment hanis crimes against children are scum, no parenting course will help them or the child. |
Posted By: james
Date Posted: 16 March 2011 at 10:38am
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agree jazzy, and the fact that alot of child abuse crimes seem to be the boyfriend of the mother of the child and any course the mother does propery wouldnt stop her from making a dumb chosse to be with the scum ------------- <a href="http://lilypie.com"><img src="http://b4.lilypie.com/nLJ5p13.png" alt="Lilypie 4th Birthday Ticker" border="0" /></a> |
Posted By: jazzy
Date Posted: 16 March 2011 at 10:43am
yip & you know what I can not get my head around is how these women can put these men before their child...how can you not protect a child...that is your job as a mum, if you stuff up on everything else that is the one thing you should get right. |
Posted By: mothermercury
Date Posted: 16 March 2011 at 10:45am
Yeah, this is what I was trying to say.
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Posted By: astral_monkey
Date Posted: 16 March 2011 at 10:58am
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Child abuse is a separate argument, because, I am sure we would all agree, those people shouldn't be allowed children in the first place.
I agree that it should be the parents responsibility to teach their children the basics of life - the problem is many aren't! And if they're not taught the basics, how are they supposed to teach their children? Thus the cycle continues. The whole point of school is to prepare kids for the real world, adding a course to either teach them what their parents didn't or reiterate what they did, is just an extension of that. kandk, I have to disagree with you. Your best chance at reaching people is when they are young. Plus even though they act like sullen teenagers, they're still kids and they still want to learn. Most kids will also pick things up even if they are pretending not to pay attention. ------------- http://lilypie.com" rel="nofollow"> |
Posted By: GuestGuest
Date Posted: 16 March 2011 at 11:02am
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If you look through the curriculum of the National Certificate in Early Childhood Education & Care (Level 3) that you need to be a Porse carer or Nanny I think all of these sound like common sense things that parents should learn, it's not about being a teacher:
Participate in young children's play Communicate with young children Develop observation skills to observe a young child Provide resources for play for young children Guide young children's behaviour Provide a safe environment for young children Describe hygiene practices and how they are applied for young children in an early childhood setting Demonstrate knowledge of basic needs of young children Demonstrate knowledge of attachment behaviour in early childhood Demonstrate knowledge of settling young children Describe ways to encourage good health in young children Demonstrate knowledge of child development Demonstrate knowledge of ethical behaviour in early childhood Demonstrate knowledge of early childhood services in the local community and in Aotearoa/New Zealand Demonstrate knowledge of parenthood and child rearing practices Develop a plan for a programme for young children in an early childhood setting Describe the benefits of effective communication with parents, family and whanau Apply knowledge of age-related nutrition needs in providing food for a child Surely a course like this would be beneficial to ALL mothers? I just find it odd that mothers ask this of their inhome care providers but not of themselves?? |
Posted By: astral_monkey
Date Posted: 16 March 2011 at 11:27am
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I think the kind of mums that ask these things from their early childhood educator are also the type that will do ante-natal classes, speak at length with their doctor or midwife, or plunket nurse, read books and educate themselves. They'll learn by doing and hopefully ask when they need help. There's definitely not a shortage of information out their for prospective parents. ------------- http://lilypie.com" rel="nofollow"> |
Posted By: jazzy
Date Posted: 16 March 2011 at 11:28am
out of interest what form of education would you expects the school system to enforce with regards to them teaching children about being a parent? If the school system is struggling with teaching the basic core at the moment? How much time & money do we put into it so we can teach things that the majority wont need till many yrs later. Do we add an extra hour to the school day so they can still do Maths & English? I do however think classes set up for young mums/dads at school is a good idea so they can learn how to cope with a baby & they can still get an education. |
Posted By: jazzy
Date Posted: 16 March 2011 at 11:45am
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I think that is what most parents do with out thinking LR. A lot of that I covered in childcare as the basics. These are also a few of what is written at my son's kindy.
What group of others are of concern? I think once someone has a baby reality sets in. As you wait for this baby with excitement & a list of things you want to do & have & how you want to be & all the cute baby stuff expectations are probably a but clouded. The emotions you did not expect come flooding, you self doubt you worry about the big pitchure & the hormones can set you in a spin & you find yourself driving home from the hospital looking in the back seat at this tiny little life & thinking OMG what am I going to do (well that was me & after yrs of childcare & working in a mat hospital) but I got it. I think also if something happens to your child in your care you live with it but how do you live with it when it happens while they are in the care of someone you let them be with knowing that this person is not trained or qualified to deal with anything. I guess for me I know I can do CPR & I can think quick but someone else may just stand there in shock. |
Posted By: astral_monkey
Date Posted: 16 March 2011 at 12:48pm
If you were to introduce a 'life skills' course, I would think it would be an option (like biology, or media studies). Schools could choose whether they ran the class based on the needs of their students and the community, and certain students could be encouraged to take it up. Alternatively, I mentioned before that the parenting side of things could be an extension of health class and things like basic budgeting could be taught in math classes, etc. The school system 'struggling' as you say, I feel has little to do with what is being taught, and more to do with the structure of the curriculum and achievement standards. I think the MOE has a lot to answer for. Also, just to add another little thing that bugs me. I think driving lessons should be done through schools. Optional 6 month course, after school classes, run by government appointed contractors, but tied in with the school, and if/when you pass the course you get your licence. I could blither on for hours about the education system. At the end of the day, it is just my opinion. ------------- http://lilypie.com" rel="nofollow"> |
Posted By: jazzy
Date Posted: 16 March 2011 at 1:06pm
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I did driving at school it was great. I will be putting my kids through a driving school if none available at school.
I think budgeting is a good one to include. What age group would you want a parenting course introduced & what level would you want. Is it more sex education or is it hands on? Would it mandatory or student pick? I think children with younger siblings are more in the know. I was interesting in child care when I was in high school (form 5) so the guidance counsellor arranged for me to have work experience at a centre & I also worked there paid in the school holidays. But no way was I interested in having kids of my own at that age & would not of been interested in doing a parenting course at school. |
Posted By: astral_monkey
Date Posted: 16 March 2011 at 1:28pm
Schools already teach sex education in mandatory health class. I can't remember when I first did this, 3rd or 4th form maybe. I would introduce the parenting side of things probably in 4th or 5th form. It would probably be an interactive discussion type class, maybe some problem solving through roleplay, maybe do the whole, each student gets an egg and has to keep it 'alive' for a week or a month. You could also have a new mum bring in her baby and give a talk about the first few months of having a baby in the house. Tonnes of different things you could do, but I think if you made it as fun and interactive as possible, you would get a better response from the students. ------------- http://lilypie.com" rel="nofollow"> |
Posted By: caliandjack
Date Posted: 16 March 2011 at 1:41pm
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I've worked as a Nanny and don't have any certificates for it, and some of the best Nannies and Home Carers don't have a piece of paper to their name, when I'm looking for someone to care for my child, I'm looking at their experience and how they interact with children they're certificate is the last thing I'm interested in.
I'd like to know what training you'd recommend for parents, as I don't believe any training course can prepare you for what being a parent involves, I'm a mother 24/7 not for a few hours a day. I go to a number of organised groups for Mother and with Plunket, and I've found the best advice and support from being with other Mother's who have gone or are going thru the same thing as you. ------------- http://lilypie.com" rel="nofollow">   [/url] Angel June 2012 |
Posted By: arohanui
Date Posted: 16 March 2011 at 1:45pm
This is already around in many schools, though is optional. 10 years ago I did it at highschool, as I took 'Childcare'. We gained Unit Standards and it was run through plunket - we had a couple of days in a kindy and had Mums come in with their babies. It's very hard to fit extras into an already crowded curriculum. Are you a teacher? ------------- Mama to DS1 (5 years), DS2 (3 years) and... http://alterna-tickers.com" rel="nofollow"> 
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Posted By: astral_monkey
Date Posted: 16 March 2011 at 2:02pm
I'm glad some schools do it. My school didn't. The curriculum would need to be looked at and re-structured, I don't think simply cramming more in would be beneficial for anyone. No, I'm not a teacher. I'm surrounded by them though, haha. ------------- http://lilypie.com" rel="nofollow"> |
Posted By: jazzy
Date Posted: 16 March 2011 at 2:08pm
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As a mum to 3 boys I would not have them in parenting courses while at school. I have seen them do the egg thing on US TV shows & I personally don't get it, don't see how that is going to achieve anything.
Sex Ed will & teaching them safety before you get into the situation of having a baby. A friend who I met through work had her first baby at 13yrs old...me at 13yrs old I was playing with dolls & no way was I even thinking of boys or doing anything with them, so I guess it could be the individual. I remember going to a mother daughter evening with mum & learning about tampons even before I got my periods. |
Posted By: TheKelly
Date Posted: 16 March 2011 at 7:19pm
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Interesting question....
I've been a mum for 8 years and i'm still learning things, I imagine i'll be learning parenting things till the day I grow,as my children grow and their needs change. Im pretty good with babies and primary kids,but wouldn't have a clue how to parent a teenager,however im sure I'll learn how to do that in a few years (goody ) I lived with about 10 teen parents,and a lot of them didn't like the parenting classes,even I at 20 had a very stubborn "just cos im young it doesn't mean I don't know what to do I don't need to listen to advice " attitude. I knew the basics and learnt the rest as I went,and for the most part I believe ,and I know my eldest at least believes that im a good mum...but I still wish I could go back in time sometimes and shake 20 year old me and say "LISTEN to their advice! don't be so proud to take it,parenting is a hole new ball game " Immmmm not actually sure what my point is, im very tired (really,I nearly burnt down my house and flooded it all in the same day ) ------------- 
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Posted By: rorylex
Date Posted: 16 March 2011 at 10:18pm
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Our local high school does do these classes which includes parenting skill type class, they are always asking local mothers to bring in there toddlers or babies to help with the classes. yes they use real babies. ------------- Mummy to 4 boys Samuel - 18.6.05 Rory - 15.7.06 Mason - 13.06.08 Emmett - 24.01.10 Baby #5 - cooking |
Posted By: rorylex
Date Posted: 16 March 2011 at 11:16pm
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although if you want parenting classes in school as a way of putting them off sex then they need to see what babies with reflux are like and children with special needs things that you dont see until you are already a parent. let them really see what challanges they ould be facing. i got lucky with the reflux i was the only one who got that one, but my oldest is autistic and that i wasnt expecting to have to deal with so young (i was a month shy of 18)
the antenatal classes i took and i have sat in a few never spoke about what would happen if your child was born with something abnormal wether it be heart defect or down syndrome and so much more things that you just dont expect coz some of it you may not even think of til your dealing with it. ------------- Mummy to 4 boys Samuel - 18.6.05 Rory - 15.7.06 Mason - 13.06.08 Emmett - 24.01.10 Baby #5 - cooking |
Posted By: High9
Date Posted: 17 March 2011 at 1:05pm
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I also think some people seem to like the idea of a baby but don't actually think about what they will be like in the beginning (feeding almost 24/7), can't do anything for themselves, can't sit, etc... I often wonder why some people have kids the amount of complaining they do!
Rorylex, I think those would also be good things to teach - about possible things that can go wrong - reflux, colic, special needs, etc. Most people don't think it would happen to them! Perhaps along with seeing your mw it could be that they run classes that cover these things (which would probably replace antenatal classes) but it could be more indepth and thorough and ensure that EVERYONE gets some sort of umm education on parenting iygwim, because Antenatal is optional. ------------- http://lilypie.com">
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Posted By: ElfsMum
Date Posted: 17 March 2011 at 1:26pm
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hmmm good question..yes i do think something should at least be offered..we had so much offered for before being a parent but nothing after and boy what an experience that was ..with PND and no sleep etc.. and just having a first child..wow.. I never realised how 24/7 it is and how noone (even DH) gets the exhaustion and real 24/7 nature of parenting :)
I am 33 so haven't been in school for a long time..and didn't listen much when i was there:) but some sort of course sounds good to me..not that most teens care though I guess:) 90% of what i got taught at school could be considered useless so maybe they could replace some of the useless stuff with life skills...such as parenting and definitely budgeting:) !! I think it should be optional cause no point forcing people but I guess that doesn't help with those who don't want to learn or didn't get taught the skills in the first place.. ? Do they have a 'when will my one year old sleep through course?' ;) ------------- Mum to two amazing boys! |
Posted By: heaf3
Date Posted: 17 March 2011 at 3:45pm
Agreed. Half of the stuff that I learnt at school was completely pointless so they could definately fit some more "life skills" lessons in. ------------- http://lilypie.com" rel="nofollow"> 
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Posted By: minxynzl
Date Posted: 18 March 2011 at 8:06am
Having a son of 19yrs old and a son of 6 weeks old I can hinestly say that there is not 'test' or 'course' to pass that could possibly predit whther anyone is capable of being a good parent. How a person copes with and responds to parental pressures such as sleep deprivation, financial stress, relationship changes, babies and kiddies everyday constant demands etc. can not be tested through some 'course' or questionnaire. Even the most capable and intellectual of my friends have had days they have broken down or not known where to turn. ------------- http://alterna-tickers.com"> 
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Posted By: NZ-rules
Date Posted: 18 March 2011 at 9:25am
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I had really hoped my AN classes were going to give me a good idea of what to do with this little person when he arrived, but in reality it just focussed on the birth with a wee bit on BFing and a 5 min demo on how to bath a baby. I was woefully unprepared when he arrived and muddled through the first 6 weeks with no idea of what I was doing (and no family close by to help).
I would have really appreciated a course that talked about the practical aspects of parenting... things like how to get a baby to sleep (I think 'put them to bed when you see their tired signs' is the most pointless piece of advice for a new mum who has no idea what tired signs are!!), what to do when your little angel wont stop screaming, or wont feed, or doesn't sleep during the day (yeah right, newborns can only be up for an hour at a time - try a 2 week old who would be up for 5 hours straight!). ------------- 
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Posted By: ElfsMum
Date Posted: 18 March 2011 at 2:38pm
well said! ------------- Mum to two amazing boys! |
Posted By: caliandjack
Date Posted: 18 March 2011 at 3:04pm
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Agree with that Amybaby it needs to be part of AN class or similar as before I got preggers a parenting course would have been a waste of time.
I went to school in the 80's parenting has moved on a lot since then and anything being taught would have been irrelevant. Edited to add I don't think any course could have prepared me for how difficult establishing breast feeding would be, not being able to tell parents about bottle feeding EBM and/or formula is doing them a disservice. How can parents make an informed decision if they don't have all the information they need. ------------- http://lilypie.com" rel="nofollow"> [/url] Angel June 2012 |
Posted By: jazzy
Date Posted: 18 March 2011 at 7:15pm
Totally agree. That is the time you need the information & are prepared to take it in as it is relevant to you. At school I would not of been interested in knowing babies are awake during the day & the night or how to change a dirty nappy. If a school has a high rate of pregnancy then they may need a program on parenting. |
Posted By: NovemberMum
Date Posted: 18 March 2011 at 8:32pm
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having parenting programmes when I was in high school/college would have been pointless for someone like because by the time I did have children I would ahve long forgotten.
parenting is one of those things that you learn as you go along. it would be like me learning to how to parent a teen when I have another 10 years to go before I am even the parent of teen so I am likely to not even remeber what I did learn. ------------- http://lilypie.com"> 
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Posted By: Panda289
Date Posted: 18 March 2011 at 9:14pm
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this is an interesting topic! No idea where I stand though as i am still waiting for baby number 1 to arrive though I have been wanting to get as much information as I can about taking care of him via books/the internet. Especially on breastfeeding. (I looked up how to swaddle a baby last week because i had no idea!)
i was most annoyed to find out my high school introduced childcare classes after i left so my sister got them but i didn't! It would have been more interesting and useful than classic studies in my opinion DH constantly goes on about all the useless stuff they teach you at school.. my english classes for half the year were watching and analysing movies so i guess i have to agree with him!------------- http://lilypie.com" rel="nofollow">  
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