VBAC-tavist
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Topic: VBAC-tavist
Posted By: Emmi_
Subject: VBAC-tavist
Date Posted: 30 March 2011 at 6:54pm
so it appears Im now preggers ( ), and I am going to have my vbac thank you.
Now I want to know all your tips and tricks to make sure this happens (things to avoid, things to do etc) So far on my list I have: * be fit - regular walks * No induction (unless baby or I are in propper danger, not just cos I havnt gone into labour yet or because labour is taking too long. * Good support team, making sure they know what their role is (including great VBAC MW!) * No offering of pain relief, I have to ask for it 3 times. * One intervention at a time (and only if absolutely necessary) Well those are my biggies anyway, I very strongly feel that my induction was a big factor in my c section. Any links on stats/data/etc is most welcome, Im preparing myself for every hurdle, in the hopes I dont need it! ------------- 
+1 May 09 Angel 
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Posted By: T_Rex
Date Posted: 30 March 2011 at 7:45pm
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I'd add really really good support. Long labours are so hard, and they are scary for our DH's too, so they need to be well briefed in their role as the cheerleader. Even if they are starting to doubt things, they need to help keep you focussed, and stand up for you when OBs etc start pushing for intervention. Cos even for a bolshy lady like me, that can be hard to do for yourself once you've been in labour for a long time.
An excellent pro-vbac MW would help too 
A friend of mine just had a second C basically because her MW spent the whole pregnancy preaching risks to her to the point the poor girl was terrified of a VBAC  ------------- http://lilypie.com">  http://lilypie.com">
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Posted By: Emmi_
Date Posted: 30 March 2011 at 7:58pm
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Thats great thanks Trex, what did/will you have your DH do? I havnt had a long labour (only induction for 14 hours) so good to think about this!
I have the MW, shes awesome, she was my student MW with Lilla (well I hope I get her, I wasnt ment to get UTD so soon, this is her last year!) Your poor friend  Hope shes recovering well-------------
+1 May 09 Angel
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Posted By: Shezamumof3
Date Posted: 30 March 2011 at 8:47pm
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Oh your poor friend T_rex!
I'll be reading this thread with interest as hopefully I'll be in the same boat soon! except while with be a VBA2C. You already know a lot of the links I have but when I find new stuff I'll post in here! ------------- |
Posted By: Kels
Date Posted: 30 March 2011 at 10:22pm
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Def the exercise and being fit sure helps with a VBAC, also no epidural as this can slow progress of labour sometimes too. I had a sucessful Vbac and this was after the OB scheduled me in for a csect. I just point blank refused and when I went into labour 5 days after edd I stayed at home till less then 5mins apart and 20mins after arriving at the hosp bubs was born. My MW was so supportive and positive I could do it, i think that helped heaps too Best of luck Emmi ------------- http://lilypie.com"> 
Busy mum to Miss 15yrs, Miss 10yrs and Master 4yrs |
Posted By: Shezamumof3
Date Posted: 30 March 2011 at 11:29pm
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Thats my plan for next time, try my hardest to not have an epi.. ------------- |
Posted By: peanut butter
Date Posted: 31 March 2011 at 12:20am
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I'm hoping for the same thing so I am doing daily walks, going to try for no epi, thinking of seeing a chiro to make sure everything is in the right place, reading the pink kit (highly recommend that).
Keen to hear others thoughts and suggestions too. |
Posted By: T_Rex
Date Posted: 31 March 2011 at 8:42am
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I've been reading "a good birth, a safe birth" - will go look up it's authors soon. It's a very good read, although it's had me in tears quite a few times. I was uber-prepared for the physiological side of labour last time (I have studied the physiology of birth extensively for work), but I was under-prepared for the emotional side of things. There were a few "i wish I read that" moments.
I didn't have a good enough plan for coping with the distress of transferring to hospital when the homebirth went awry, for example. Nor was I expecting to have to disagree with my MW. She was wonderful, but she wasn't in my head so she didn't always read me right, and I didn't correct her cos I figured she knew better than me. She didn't. This time, both DH and my MW, will be *required* to ask my opinion directly and make me say something, rather than accept a dopey nod/shake of the head. There was so much going on in my head last time that should have been said, and I was utterly lost as to how to make words of out it. I'm hoping with enough prodding, I'll do better. I'll also be specifying that NO-ONE is to offer me pain releif. I might ask for it, although I doubt it, but it's really demoralising being *recommended* it every 5 minutes
The other major thing I'll be insisting is that interventions come one at a time. Last time they said we want to do x, y and z; I knew we had to do something so I agreed. What I should have said is lets do x and give that a chance to help, then we can look at y, and THEN z. Instead they did it all at once, and I'm sure if we'd just gone with x (break my waters), everything would have gone on just as it should because the root of the whole problem was the pocket of waters softening the impact of her head on my cervix. Of course, it's likely to be a completely different problem if there is one, next time, but I'll still be sticking to the one thing at a time deal. ------------- http://lilypie.com"> http://lilypie.com">
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Posted By: Emmi_
Date Posted: 31 March 2011 at 8:36pm
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Thanks guys! They are great things to think about!!
(im going to edit my original post and add them in  )
Its good to hear what your hurdles in labour was, I want to be prepared for everything (I keep thinking I will have the same labour etc again, but of course it wont be!) Oh.. any one know if 'they' would let you have a vbac with twins??? Thanks Kels! 
Trex, how will you prep your DH? What is "a good birth" like? Should I buy a copy? I cant seem to find a description of it anywhere.. -------------
+1 May 09 Angel
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Posted By: JoJames
Date Posted: 31 March 2011 at 10:00pm
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My first was a ARM and prolonged labour at 41+6 weeks ending in c-section, I would have definately refused any kind of induction with my second. Luckily I had a great birth with DS2 at 39 weeks.
I took 5w and epo from 35 weeks and my MW reckons that that helped heaps to have a really good birth. I also waited for ages before going into the hospital, and would have refused continous monitoring if I could have (distressed baby), cause I think moving around during labour helps heaps. Good Luck ------------- http://www.alterna-tickers.com"> 
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Posted By: T_Rex
Date Posted: 01 April 2011 at 8:48am
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Emmi, I borrowed the book from my LLL collection - they have quite a few good birthing books, so I'd try there for a start. ------------- http://lilypie.com"> http://lilypie.com">
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Posted By: T_Rex
Date Posted: 01 April 2011 at 8:49am
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Oh, and I'm still working on the DH thing. Will let you know once I have a plan ------------- http://lilypie.com"> http://lilypie.com">
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Posted By: Shezamumof3
Date Posted: 01 April 2011 at 8:31pm
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I just hired out "The silent Knife" so cant wait to read it! I also got a few other books and one is called "Natural pregnancy and chilbirth" It looks really really good!
Heres a link to a blog that is quite good http://birthfaith.blogspot.com/ - Birth Faith and this one is really awesome! http://www.ican-online.org/ - ICAN - International Cesarean Awareness Network ------------- |
Posted By: Shezamumof3
Date Posted: 01 April 2011 at 8:41pm
I'm going to be saying no to internals to start with, I don't want to be checked until Ive been in labour a decent length as I don't want to be told I'm like 3cm as I know that will dishearten me, it did with Caden!  - I want an little intervention as possible! no pethidine and no epidural if I can help it! and certainly nothing to help contractions, I just want to try and relax and welcome each contraction and trust that my body knows whats its doing.
With Caden I got to 9.5cm, had the epi 2 hours before that, but was stretchable to a 6 well before I got the epi! So my body knew what it was doing it was just taking a long time. I laboured with just gas for hours and hours(about 40) and then had the pethidine for the ambulance ride, which made me feel dizzy and horrible! So i don't want that again! I feel confident that this time I can totally do it! (just need to get pregnant now haha! next cycle the TTC journey starts!) ------------- |
Posted By: T_Rex
Date Posted: 01 April 2011 at 8:49pm
I'd put those in another order - nothing to help contractions if I can help it; and certainly no epi or peth
Sometimes you really do need something to get the contractions going - if they aren't happening properly, the baby is NEVER coming out  If they are happening, just not fast enough for the OB, that's another story, but sometimes a bit of synto is a good thing. But I'd see if there was something else you could try first, and then see if they'll start with a little dose and work their way up. And no routine epi *because it's going to hurt a lot*. No telling me it's going to hurt either!!
Then again, my MW believes that sometimes an epi to let you get some rest is what prevents a C. If, without the rest, you were heading for complete mental and physical exhaustion, and epi and some sleep can make the difference and give you the boost to carry on with labour. ------------- http://lilypie.com"> http://lilypie.com">
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Sheza wrote:Posted By: Shezamumof3
Date Posted: 01 April 2011 at 9:31pm
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Its a bit different for me though TRex as I'm going to be a VBA2C. as you know, Synto makes the contractions much stronger and because I have had 2 C Sections that puts more strain on my uterus scar, so I want to avoid that, if they were going to give me any it would absolutely have to be a last resort thing and only a tiny amount.
I'm not sure if my epi was was caused my emergency C but I don't think it helped matters, I was stuck on my back and there was a lip of cervix in the way that the MW couldn't push, and I couldn't get up to move to help things along, thats when they called for the CS. There was meconium in the waters too, that started just before my transfer to the main hospital, that was at about 7pm and then he was born at 1.03am. ------------- |
Posted By: T_Rex
Date Posted: 02 April 2011 at 7:24am
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Oh true, I was forgetting it was a VBA2C, sorry! With any luck, neither of us will need any of that *stuff* anyway! I just let it upset me last time, that they gave it to me, and I should have maintained a more positive frame of mind, you know? If I can stay strong and positive through one intervention, then maybe that's all I'll need, IYGWIM?
Good luck with TTC too! ------------- http://lilypie.com"> http://lilypie.com">
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Posted By: Emmi_
Date Posted: 02 April 2011 at 8:18am
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you gals looking at doing hypnobirthing? I have the book, emmecat borrowed it for S's birth and she handled the pain way better. After dd's birth i said i was going to do the course, but not sure if its worth the $?? -------------
+1 May 09 Angel
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Posted By: Shezamumof3
Date Posted: 02 April 2011 at 9:09am
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Yeah I think having a positive frame of mind is so important! I didnt really have that with Caden and I fought it a lot of the time and that didnt help matters.
Thanks  Hopefully it doesnt take too long! My AF is due in the next week soIm going to get some ov tests and start tryin as soon as Im oving!
Im going to read about it, but I think Im going to go with a "Calm Birth" rather than hypnobirthing. http://www.calmbirth.org.nz/ - Calm Birth That site is for classes but there are other sites if you wanted to do it on your own :) http://www.calmbirth.org/ - Calm Birth Website ------------- |
Posted By: TheKelly
Date Posted: 02 April 2011 at 5:29pm
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I had an intense horrible birth with Ty (C's was pretty text book) and I was adamant I would have the next baby with an epidural
When I was in labour with Mila,I started getting panicked that it was going to be as painful and asked for an epi,but my MW suggested to wait 20mins,and by that time I felt strong enough to continue without it,and she was born not long after ( had a very quick labor,2 hours from being 3cms to fully dilated) So I think thats a good thing to,for them to suggest you wait a bit when you do ask,cos you might find that by the time 20mins is up,you don't want it anymore ------------- 
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Posted By: Bizzy
Date Posted: 02 April 2011 at 6:35pm
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i think one thing to remember is that your second labour will not be the same as the first. I made that mistake with mine and expected it to go the same way and take the same amount of time... Intervention doesnt always end in c section so long as it is handled well. I was given way too much synto and it was completely mismanaged with eden's birth and that didnt help the end result. but with gabriel it helped things along really well and stopped when it ceased being a help. Constant monitoring is not helpful too. Being stuck to a bed and unable to move about and help labour naturally was one thing that really hindered things IMO.
and i agree too that a positive frame of mind is a huge help. Planning out and considering different scenarios and how you would handle them and making sure both your partner and midwife know what you do and dont want. ------------- http://www.myfitnesspal.com/weight-loss-ticker"> 
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Posted By: Shezamumof3
Date Posted: 02 April 2011 at 6:46pm
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Yep my thoughts exactly bizzy
With the epidural or any pain relief actually, Im going to do what rachael did and I dont want to be offered it and I have to ask 3 times before they give it to me. ------------- |
Posted By: minik8e
Date Posted: 03 April 2011 at 11:42pm
| Emmi - re the twins questions, it's unlikely. A twin pregnancy is a highly monitored pregnancy, and it is recommended that you don't go past 38w as the placenta starts breaking down from that time (this is for twins with one placenta, not individual ones, although they still class 38w as full term for fraternal twins). You are usually booked for induction or an elective c-s at that time. There would also be a LOT of stress on your scar due to the increased wright of 2 babies, plus your body is under more pressure in any case. What I found, for me personally, is that I didn't really care how they got out as long as they were out, because the strain on my body was overwhelming (and they were born at 33w4d by emergency c-s) and as long as they were healthy I didn't really give a toss. |
Posted By: toniellis
Date Posted: 17 April 2011 at 11:14pm
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Stay somewhere you are comfortable with for as long as you can cope before heading to the hospital (if that is where you intend to birth). Once you walk in the door the clock is ticking as to how long they give you before suggestioning repeat c-section.
I can highly recommend using 5W, Pre-Birth spray & EPO tablets, orally & internally when you are getting into those last few weeks. Also if you can, get a copy of the Pink Kit.... Its really dry & hard to watch but in particular the section about labour positions. These were a HUGE help for me. I'm 100% positive that all those things really helped me with my VBA2Cs & then for the following birth with #4 :) So very quick & done with that no one had time for any interventions LOL ------------- Mum to Alex (11), Blaire (10) & Erika (8) and Damien (6) Successful HWB VBA2Cs! Soon to be surrogate |
Posted By: Shezamumof3
Date Posted: 18 April 2011 at 8:14am
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Thanks Toni Im planning on getting the pre Birth spray and the birthaid one, and EPO etc, rasberry leaf tea.. ------------- |
Posted By: Leahsmummy
Date Posted: 18 April 2011 at 7:00pm
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I started EPO at 36weeks mw said every week that turns over you put two up you for 3 nights so at 36weeks do it for 3 nights then at 37weeks do it for 3 nights etc, im really sure this helped me and I went into labour naturally at 39weeks! -------------   
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Posted By: Emmi_
Date Posted: 18 April 2011 at 8:44pm
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Great tips, thanks guys!
My MW has given me the best practice guide for VBAC, its quite interesting! I have a few questions to ask her next time I see her. Def worth a read if you can get your hands on a copy. Its quite pro TOL and has some cool stats in it -------------
+1 May 09 Angel
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Posted By: InthemiddleMummy
Date Posted: 23 April 2011 at 10:47pm
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Wow I cant believe how many people are so against c/sections. I had a very traumatic vb that I am still physically recovering from 5 years later and found my 2nd birth a planned elective just an amazing enjoyable experience that I recovered from quicker than my VB
C sections can be a positive amazing enjoyable bonding birth experience too ladies. Mine certainly was! I count my lucky stars I live in the 21st century and that me & my babies are alive to tell the tail of a c/section delivery. i fear if I had been in other centuries My babies & I would have died like my great aunt and many many other angels. Good luck with your VBAC's I just hope you dont feel sad or disapointed if it ends in another c/section just BE HAPPPY you have a baby in your arms and you both are alive & well! |
Posted By: Kels
Date Posted: 24 April 2011 at 9:48am
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Girls rock this isnt about being against c sect more about these mums wanting a VBAC. Im sure as I am they are thankful for the csect they had as they do have their babies. My DD 16 would not be here if it wasnt for an emergency csect as I had to have a GA cos there was no time for spinal as my baby was dying and I am greatful everyday she is alive and well, However after that experience I was determined that I wanted a vbac, in saying that if my DD10 (my vbac) was in any sort of danger to her life while labouring then for sure welcome the csect but without medical intervention (epi) and staying at home as long as possible my body did know what to do. Maybe even without the medical intervention of my 1st birth while in labour it still would have turned out the same, we will never know. No one here is against Csections they are wanting a chance for successful vbac/vba2c. ------------- http://lilypie.com">
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Posted By: Emmi_
Date Posted: 24 April 2011 at 11:12am
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I agree with Kels, No one said they were against c sections. I know that I, personally am against UNNECESSARY c sections and interventions that I will avoid this time.
Just in the same way your VB was traumatic to you, my c section was very traumatic to me. I am hoping that my VBAC will provide me with the same amazing enjoyable experience that I will recover from quicker than my CS. I am very happy that my daughter is alive and well, as am I, I had several complications due to the c section that I would not have had with a VB, never mind the extra risks to mum and baby due to having a c section. If you want to know why I found my c section so traumatic then feel free to PM me, I am more than happy to talk about it with you. -------------
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Posted By: Kels
Date Posted: 24 April 2011 at 7:13pm
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Emmi i am the same my csect was so traumatic and it took me nearly a year to recover. With my vbac I was up and out of there 4 hours after birth. With next NVD I had him Sunday night 10.10pm and the next morning I was down at the school dropping the kids off. Recover is way faster in all aspects. ------------- http://lilypie.com">
Busy mum to Miss 15yrs, Miss 10yrs and Master 4yrs |
Posted By: Shezamumof3
Date Posted: 24 April 2011 at 10:57pm
Like the others said, we are not against CS's, we would like to try and avoid having another one. I had a rough 48 hour labour ending in emergency CS with my first, had a heaps of issues afterwards, my second was an elective and it was pretty good but not ideal. I am going to try for a natural birth but if it ends in CS, or if I change my mind at the end and opt for the CS, Im not going to be sad
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Posted By: Emmi_
Date Posted: 26 April 2011 at 8:40pm
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ooohhh I found heaps more links!! (Joyousbirth.com is FANTASTIC!! Well worth the effort of signing up!!)
http://www.birthrites.org Birthrites: Healing After Caesarean aims to provide support and information for women who have had or who will have a caesarean birth(s), and to increase the awareness of these women's specific needs among maternity healthcare providers. A brilliant Australian site with a great newsletter. Make sure you subscribe! http://www.gentlebirth.org/archives/hbac.html www.egroups.com/community/HBAC Online support for home birth after caesarean birth VBAC and other resources online Hospitals & Midwives http://www.socalbirth.org/resource/question.htm Questions to Ask Possible Birth Attendant Websites on the Safety of VBAC: http://www.ahcpr.gov/clinic/epcsums/vbacsum.htm http://www.childbirth.org/section/resVBAC.html http://www.storknet.com/cubbies/vbac/4studies.htm - Summary of the 4 largest VBAC/Cesarean Studies http://www.vbac.com/uterine.html - Info on uterine rupture Finding Your Own Studies: www.pubmed.com www.medscape.com After the Cesarean: http://www.plus-size-pregnancy.org http://birthrites.edsite.com.au/ Birthrites - Healing After A Cesarean http://www.ican-online.org General Info. About Cesareans and VBACs: www.VBAC.com http://www.gentlebirth.org/archives/icanvbac.html Midwives Archives (ICAN/VBAC/CSEC) www.ican-online.org Int'l Cesarean Awareness Network www.midwiferytoday.com www.birthlove.com/free/safe.html Birthlove - VBAC is Safe! www.plus-size-pregnancy.org/ http://www.midwiferytoday.com/articles/pelvis.asp Planning Your VBAC: http://www.motherstuff.com/html/midwife-cesarean.html - cesarean info in the interest of prevention http://www.naturalchildbirth.org/mam...emid=3&topid=3 http://members.aol.com/MthrluvOK/labortim.html - Pain in Labor Doesnt Have to be Intolerable http://www.midwifeinfo.com/topic-epidurals.php - Risks of Epidurals www.unhinderedliving.com/childbirth.html - Online Childbirth Class www.childbirth.org/section/VBAC.html - VBAC checklist http://www.midwiferytoday.com/articles/pelvis.asp http://www.gentlebirth.org/archives/herpes.html - more about herpes and birth http://midwifeinfo.com/topic-episiotomy.php - Get through Childbirth In One Piece! http://www.homebirth.org.uk/ofp.htm - Optimal Fetal Positioning www.spinningbabies.com - Correcting your babies position http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HBAC/ - email support list for homebirth after cesarean Random Articles: http://www.maternitywise.org/listeningtomothers/ - Listening to Mothers Survey http://www.aimsusa.org/CareInNormalBirth.htm - Care In Normal Birth http://www.midwiferytoday.com/articles/vbacprimer.asp - A VBAC Primer: Technical Issues For Midwives http://www.radmid.demon.co.uk/csgood.htm - Planning A Good Cesarean http://www.aafp.org/afp/990501ap/2487.html - Interpretation of the Electronic Fetal Heart Rate During Labor http://www.midwiferytoday.com/articl...nformation.asp - Assault on Normal Birth-the OB Disinformation Campaign http://www.hencigoer.com/articles/vbac/ Research based article from Henci Goer that is a rebutal to OB's and hospitals that would deny women VBAC's. http://www.birthingbetter.com The Pink Kit - vital to VBACers! www.activebirthcentre.com The Active Birth Centre, UK, the body knows best how to birth. Research tools – be a truly informed consumer http://www.maternitycoalition.org.au http://www.radmid.demon.co.uk/ European Midwives site. Stories, research and links from all over the world.. They advocate a woman-centred, evidence-based approach to birth. http://www.maternitywise.org/mw/top...g/evidence.html Information on choosing a birth setting. US but internationally applicable information and studies. http://www.acegraphics.com.au/articles/maggie01.html Maggie Banks on reclaiming midwifery. http://www.birthinternational.com.au Provides support and resources for midwives, childbirth educators and expectant parents. http://www.birthingalternatives.com Information, resources and support for empowering child birth. A site for parents and alternative birth professionals. Links to Ina May Gaskins Work. http://www.birthingthefuture.com If we want to create a less violent world, we must begin with the "primal period" http://www.midwiferytoday.com Professional journal – the heart and science of midwifery. International links to articles, conferences, education. Unmissable! http://www.communitymidwives.org.au Community midwifery programme Fremantle, Western Australia. www.cochrane.org.au Cochrane database of research. The Centre aims to promote the equitable provision of effective health care in Australasia by facilitating the preparation and maintenance of systematic reviews and their dissemination and application to influence service provision and clinical practice. www.bmj.com British medical journal. Free electronic subscription to your choice of articles. www.capersbookstore.com.au Books for parents, midwives, doulas, birth attendants on health, birth and related topics. Also an online forum. www.aims.org.uk Association for Improvements in the Maternity Services... at the forefront of the childbirth movement for more than forty years. Working towards normal birth, providing independent support and information about maternity choices and raising awareness of current research on childbirth and related issues. Database of articles on all aspects of pregnancy and birth. www.maternitywise.org Maternity Wise is the US Maternity Centre Association's long-term national program to promote evidence-based maternity care. "Evidence-based maternity care" means using the best research about the safety and effectiveness of specific tests, treatments, and other interventions to help guide maternity care decisions. www.childbirth.org/section/ICAN.html International Cesarean Awareness Network & VBAC Information This is a collection of fact sheets and information put out by the International Cesarean Awareness Network (ICAN) and other sources. Information includes how to prevent an unnecessary cesarean, Vaginal birth after cesarean (VBAC), how to find resources in your community, information about ICAN, and how to become a part of ICAN. Birth educators and activists and midwives http://www.joyousbirth.info/ Australian home birth network for parents, doulas, birth attendants and midwives. Lots of links to all over the world as well as within Australia. http://www.freestone.org/ Jeannine Parvati Baker and Family invites you to know conscious and healthy parenting as a spiritual path. This web site explores and affirms the value of Conscious Conception, Prenatal Yoga, Free Birth, Gentle Parenting, Home Education, Lotus Birth, Home Business, Herbal Health, Gender Balance, Eco-Activism, EarthBirth and much more. http://www.glorialemay.com/ Childbirth educator and activist. http://www.hencigoer.com/ Ditto. http://www.inamay.com/ Ina May Gaskin – writer, activist, innovator, midwife. http://www.childbirthinternational.com/ International links to training for doulas and birth educators. www.sheilakitzinger.com Pioneering and influential birth information. http://www.pregnancy.com.au Pregnancy, Birth and Beyond web site run by independent midwife, Jane Palmer. Loads of great pregnancy info and links. http://www.womenofspirit.asn.au/sarahjbuckley.html#top Essays by Sarah Buckley, pro-natural birth and parenting doctor in Brisbane. http://www.birthworks.org/ Michel Odent’s site. http://www.lamaze.com/ Gentle birth information. http://www.maternitycoalition.org.au/mippslist.html Midwives in Private Practice – Melbourne, Australia http://www.birth-sex.com Exploring the sacred feminine with Elizabeth Davis. http://www.birthingwisdom.com.au/home.html Rhea Dempsey, birth educator and attendant. Melbourne, Australia www.activebirthcentre.com Janet Balaska’s active birth site. Water birth www.waterbirth.org International waterbirth site http://www.waterbirthinfo.com/ Videos and information on water birth in home, hospital and birth centres. Support and Advocacy and Recovery http://www.joyousbirth.info/forums Australia's home birth support network for families, women, midwives, doulas and birth attendants past and present. Includes a forum devoted to HBAC. http://www.maternitycoalition.org.au/default.html Australian information and advocacy for mums and babies in the health care system plus links to groups all over Australia. www.birthrites.org Australian. Loads of useful links. Includes info on recovering from traumatic birth. Very empowering. Encouraging of a consumer-type attitude to your health care. http://www.cfmidwifery.org/ A US community site organised around improving women’s access to midwifery. http://www.eheart.com/cesarean/index.html A site by, for and about those born by c-sec. http://www.postpartum.net/ International site on postnatal depression also known as postpartum depression. http://www.tabs.org.nz/ New Zealand site on traumatic birth and recovery – PTSD and PND. www.egroups.com/community/HBAC Online support for home birth after caeserean birth http://www.sheilakitzinger.com/Birth%20Crisis.htm Kitzinger on birth trauma. http://www.birthlove.com/petition/womens_rights.html Petition and declaration on the rights of birthing women. http://www.birthlove.com/ A US site devoted to improving women’s experience in birth. Excellent for birth trauma. Some of the links (not many of them) have been shortened so wont work, you can either join up to joyous birth to get them, or let me know if you want me to get the full url -------------
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Posted By: toniellis
Date Posted: 27 April 2011 at 1:19am
Add in the 5W, you use it from 35 weeks onwards. Definitely good stuff :) ------------- Mum to Alex (11), Blaire (10) & Erika (8) and Damien (6) Successful HWB VBA2Cs! Soon to be surrogate |
Posted By: T_Rex
Date Posted: 27 April 2011 at 7:15pm
Jeepers Emmi!! Home alone are you? 
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Posted By: Emmi_
Date Posted: 27 April 2011 at 7:17pm
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hahaha yes, but these were all just like that, i just copied and pasted (and sign up to joyous birth, they are fantastic!!) -------------
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Posted By: Shezamumof3
Date Posted: 06 May 2011 at 3:11pm
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Posted By: Emmi_
Date Posted: 06 May 2011 at 3:14pm
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herbs Sheza, http://www.herbalhouse.co.nz/view_product.php?productCode=1120 you take it in the last 5 weeks of pregnancy -------------
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Posted By: mcshort
Date Posted: 14 May 2011 at 12:48pm
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Emmi I have a lovely friend who had C/S, then vbac, then hbac, then twins who were vb then emergency cs so it's doable with twins, just need the right midwife support - and of course no other pre-existing obstacles taht would indicate a vbac would be unsafe. (But after chatting to you I'm sure you'd be fine ) ------------- Mum to two very active boys, born October 2008 and December 2010. Getting excited about becoming a Childbirth Educator, and LOVIN being a birth support to amazing and courageous women! |
Posted By: neivaD
Date Posted: 28 May 2011 at 9:53pm
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Throw out the calendar! A due date is an estimate based upon averages, babies come early, babies come 'late', some babies need more cooking than others, some need less. You are not even overdue till 42 weeks and even then you dont always have to omfg get the baby out now. There are many woman who are left alone that birth at 43-44-45 weeks, birthing very healthy babies that dont look the least bit overcooked. If baby is still fine, if you are still fine, then have a couple of due months! Its much less stress that way.
Throw out the clock! You are not a text book, nor is your baby. A clock is not that useful in the grand scheme of things. Cervix dilates, uterus contracts, body pushes, baby comes out. This can take hours, or this can take a matter of minutes. EVERY birth and EVERY baby is different. Keep hands out of your vagina! Dilation doesnt tell you anything important, just where you are at that exact moment, you could be tightly closed and holding your baby in less than 30 mins, or you could be 6cm and still be weeks away from birthing. Vaginal checks are an intervention. DO NOT LET THEM BREAK YOUR WATERS! Lilla was malpositioned, broken waters will not in anyway help a malpositioned baby, it will make it harder for baby to move how they need to to birth, keeping in mind that you can still safely birth a big posterior baby, without any help from any machines or surgeons. Intact waters give more cusioning for movement of baby and babies head. Listen to your body! Listen to your baby! If you think something isnt right it probably isnt, if you think something is fine, you are more than likely right. Dont have any scans! This is an intervention. This can cause fear of another big baby, fear of dates being wrong, it is giving responsibility of your body, your baby and your birth over to technology when the majority of pregnancies, births and babies do not require it. With your pregnancy, I would bank on baby being big, I would bank on baby being overdue. I would possibly even bank on baby being posterior. Those three things are not things you need to fear. You can birth your babies normally, you are not broken, and you will be ok :) ------------- Natalie Mama to Miss Pie (04/04) Dude (03/07) Button (06/08) and Thumper (Due Autumn2010) |
Posted By: InthemiddleMummy
Date Posted: 29 May 2011 at 4:42pm
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its very dangerous to go overdue well so ive been told by a mw doing a research paper on stillbirths at my 13week visit. As many stilbirths occur when overdue. last week sadly a mum in our town was overdue by 10days and lost her baby on the 11th day overdue. who knows if there is a link but I guess that why they are doing the research. this is why they closely monitor dates as far as im aware but im not a doctor or mw.
its highly recommended to have a scan to ensure that the placenta is not covering the uterus and you and baby dont bleed to death. my vb labour started with waters breaking naturally (no contractions for 1/2hr after that and it didnt make it any easier/quicker to get out a 6lb6oz baby and my sisters had hers broken by OB and vb 3 babies with a labour of 5hrs and less than 10min of pushing once she hit 10cm. there is no rhym or reasoning with childbirth, it happens how it happens. they should scan you when in labour so they can intervin quicker for things like cords around necks stopping baby from descending and posterior babys that need manual turning either by forceps or OB hands, so mum & bub arnt so exhausted. Stillbirths can also happen from cords being around neck and strangling baby in a VB. very tragic! the most important thing about pregnancy & birth is that mum and baby/babies are alive and well. we are privileged to be able to conceive children so many woman have to go thru ivf and donor eggs/sperm etc to conceive, or not have children at all cos of medical issues.If we have easy time getting babies in the oven whats so bad if they are difficult to get out. be thankful for the intervention thats why the mortaility rate is so low compared to 1600's thats just my thoughts and views anyways hope not to have offended anyone |
Posted By: Nothing
Date Posted: 29 May 2011 at 5:09pm
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I dont believe in scans during labour- that is too extreme. As it is I think there are too many, there has been no research into the affect on the baby as you scan them.
Dangerous to go overdue? It depends on how overdue you are talking. Normal pregnancy is considered to be between 38-42 weeks, so the lady who unfortunatley lost her bubba would have still been considered to have been within the normal ranges. Each to their own tho, I just think that there is not enough info out there to new mums about the birth process, and what they can do to help themselves out during labour. ------------- 
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Posted By: Emmi_
Date Posted: 29 May 2011 at 6:22pm
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Hahaha girls rock, you crack me up!!
Can I see the papers of the research that says overdue babies die? Cos I would love to see those stats! I dont think I have ever known anyone to have a scan during labour.. people have had babies with cords around their neck and its just been slipped over, no issues... You also dont need a scanto check the location of the placenta, if you have placenta previa, you know about it! There are a lot of signs to watch out for, you dont need a scan to know whats going on in your body. I think youve forgotten your posting in a VBAC thread... Its for support not scaremongering with no stats to back it up... Oh and BTW I will be more than happy to go 43/44/45 weeks with my baby if its what it wants. I trust my body to know that if soemthing it wrong then I will know. Its amazing that mothers instinct! -------------
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Posted By: Nothing
Date Posted: 29 May 2011 at 7:58pm
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Love your post Emmi_ -------------
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Posted By: T_Rex
Date Posted: 29 May 2011 at 8:39pm
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Ditto Emmi. I know of ladies who've lost babies BEFORE 40 weeks. Unfortunately it's just one of those things that happens sometimes. I have seen stats that DO indicate there is a slighter increased risk of stillbirth with post-term births (ie. over 42 weeks) but they are only a tiny increase, and are to do with placental deterioration from what I understand. That is the reason that if I go overdue again, I will agree to some scans/monitoring at 42 weeks to check that bub is looking ok. I certainly won't be inducing for the sake of being overdue, only if there is real evidence that bub is at risk.
I had marginal placenta previa with my first pregnancy, so it's something I've researched thoroughly and it is rare to not have been alerted to it by bleeding in the third trimester. That said, it is higher risk for haemorrhage, so I opted for a series of scans until it had resolved sufficiently that I was happy to birth at home. My cousin was stillborn as a result of placenta previa - yet she was a hospital birth under supervision of an OB. Clearly hospitals don't have all the answers! Neiva, for me, breaking waters was the one intervention that enabled labour to progress (I only wish I'd stood my ground and ONLY accepted that one). An artefact of the marginal previa meant that amnion was at its strongest over my cervix, and it was effectively creating a cushion preventing DD's head providing the necessary stimulation on my cervix and therefore was preventing the contractions increasing to be sufficient to complete dilation and deliver the baby. I know that is rare though, but I just wanted to point out that blanket rules don't always work either. Birth is just so unpredictable eh?! That said, Girls rock, this isn't a pro/anti C/intervention thread. It's about how to get a VBAC (or in my case, a better VB after a crap VB) if that is what you want. CLearly to be in here, that's what we want and what we'll be working towards. It's not up for debate really! ------------- http://lilypie.com"> http://lilypie.com">
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Posted By: Emmi_
Date Posted: 29 May 2011 at 9:12pm
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Yeah I ment to say that too, there is a lady in my PIN group who lost her baby at 38 weeks, no warning, no reason... How freaking awful I have no idea how you come back from that.
The stats that Ive seen show the lowest risk of still birth being AT 40 weeks, so before 40w and after 40w there is a slight increase (but its very slight) one set of stats that I have is: 35 weeks is 1:500 36 weeks is 1:556 37 weeks is 1:645 38 weeks is 1:730 39 weeks is 1:840 40 weeks is 1:926 41 weeks is 1:826 42 weeks is 1:769 43 weeks is 1:633 So, you have about the same 'chance' of having a still birth at 43w as you do at nearly 37.. Better book that c section in at 36w then huh! Get our undercooked babies out asap -------------
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Posted By: Shezamumof3
Date Posted: 05 June 2011 at 8:49pm
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Some women are just natural 42 weeker+, like me! BOTH my kids have been over due, my son was 14 days over due when he was born and my daughter was 9 days(elective C in the end), and they were both fine and dandy in there, happy as a lark!
I knew they were fine as they kicked like normal, hiccuped, their heart rates were fine and they both came out just fine. This time I don't plan on being induced(risky for vbacs anyway and mine will be a VBA2C), I am going to wait it out so I can VBAC, I will have a scan at 40 weeks to check the liquor and cord etc and the same at 41 weeks etc, if I get to 42 weeks, then I will reassess what I want to do. I dont believe that babies die just because they are overdue, EDD is just an estimate. ------------- |
Posted By: NZ-rules
Date Posted: 06 June 2011 at 8:05pm
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I'm hoping for a vbac in January - DS was an elective c-section at 9 days overdue after a scan showed he was a flex-leg breech and I had low liquor. I've changed midwife as I wasn't overly thrilled with her not spotting him being breech even though she suspected it at about 36 weeks but talked herself out of it, writing 'DEF NOT BREECH' in my notes (yeah right).
So, my question is, I'm not meeting my new MW until I'm 12 weeks, but do I start bringing up the vbac stuff at the first meeting or should I wait until closer to my due date to start talking about the birth? Also do you think it's reasonable to ask for a scan at around 36 weeks to double check bubba is head down?? Slightly paranoid about history repeating... ------------- 
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Posted By: T_Rex
Date Posted: 06 June 2011 at 8:34pm
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Absolutely start talking about the birth at the first meeting (in fact, I did it on the phone when I called to book in with the MW at 4 weeks!). Not in huge detail on the phone, but certainly I wanted to get a guage that she'd be the right kind of MW for me. The first meeting we went over my birth with DD and what sort of things I was and wasn't happy with from it and talked about what sort of things I want out of this birth. There is plenty more we still need to discuss, but it was good to know we were on the right track from the beginning.
I'd think it's reasonable to ask for a scan at 36 weeks too. Especially if you explain to your MW (closer to the time for this one I'd think) that it's stressing you out, she's likely to oblige. My current bub was footling breech at the 20 week scan and I'm certain s/he's still that way, whereas with DD I was certain she was head down from about 30 weeks - you could feel her head, bum and feet exactly where they should be. If I'm not as certain with this one even if the MW thinks it's right, I'll be asking for a scan closer to 36 weeks too. Probably a bit before though, so there is still time to turn it if it's breech. ------------- http://lilypie.com"> http://lilypie.com">
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Posted By: NZ-rules
Date Posted: 06 June 2011 at 8:44pm
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Thanks T-Rex. I mentioned that I wanted a vbac when I called her on the phone (one of my friends had her and she's pro-vbac), but I didn't want to come across as a bit full on the first time I meet her!
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Posted By: AzzaNZ
Date Posted: 07 June 2011 at 12:18pm
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I'd talk about the VBAC when you call - last thing you want is to start a relationship with a midwife and only find out weeks/months down the track that she isnt supportive of your plans. I had to switch midwives part way through because of this. ------------- http://lilypie.com"> 
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Posted By: Emmi_
Date Posted: 08 June 2011 at 9:41am
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I too would mention it when you meet her, mine gave me some reading to do (I wanted it!) like the best practicue guidelines and stuff, weve had 2 meetings now and had really good chats about it, things Im worried about, what I want to do, why they recommend stuff etc, Im prob a little more hard out that you (hehehe) but I would still mention it. And if I was not 100% sure bubs was head down I would ask for a scan at 36 weeks too. Even tho DD was head down Im doing a lot more this pregnancy to make sure shes in a good position. I need to know (for myself) that I have done everything possible to avoid a c section this time, and positioning stuff is part of it (check out spinningbabies.com they have some good info)
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Posted By: mcshort
Date Posted: 26 June 2011 at 11:40pm
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I had a scan during labour, FSE was hard to attach & things weren't looking good, scan confirmed this, so that's why crash cs happened . Sounds like you have a great relationship with your midwife.. It makes sooooo much difference huh!! ------------- Mum to two very active boys, born October 2008 and December 2010. Getting excited about becoming a Childbirth Educator, and LOVIN being a birth support to amazing and courageous women! |
Posted By: T_Rex
Date Posted: 01 July 2011 at 8:00pm
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Emmi, thanks heaps for the joyous birth link. That's an amazing site!
Also, do you have a reference for those stillbirth stats please? My positive-birthing counsellor-thingamy wanted to see something along those lines. McShort, awesome that you are going to become a CBE. Where in the country are you? ------------- http://lilypie.com"> http://lilypie.com">
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Posted By: mcshort
Date Posted: 01 July 2011 at 10:13pm
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Thanks T_Rex! I'm really looking forward to it. I just need to do a couple more birth supports and the last couple of papers and I'll be in front of classes sooner than I know. Can't wait!!
I'm in Wellington
Amybaby, I wouldn't worry about coming across as too full-on, these midwives see a wide range of women and I'm sure they've encountered "them all" if you get my drift. The important thing is to make sure early on that you share a common goal (eg VBAC) and that you can both work together towards achieving this. My MW was amazing and I am eternally grateful that she and I clicked so well. luck luck!! ------------- Mum to two very active boys, born October 2008 and December 2010. Getting excited about becoming a Childbirth Educator, and LOVIN being a birth support to amazing and courageous women! |
Posted By: Emmi_
Date Posted: 01 July 2011 at 11:52pm
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http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC28178/ - http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC28178/ is the link for these stats
(The risk of unexplained stillbirth at 35 weeks is 1:500 36 weeks is 1:556 37 weeks is 1:645 38 weeks is 1:730 39 weeks is 1:840 40 weeks is 1:926 41 weeks is 1:826 42 weeks is 1:769 43 weeks is 1:633 ) which I got off joyous birth mcshort, I still ahve your book (so sorry!) Im back in about 3 weeks so I will try to drop it off to you that first week Im home (sorry, its a great book! and I totally forgot to do it before I left!) -------------
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Posted By: mcshort
Date Posted: 07 July 2011 at 10:50pm
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Hey Emmi, no rush re the book! It is a great book huh. The diagrams are definitely going to be used when I'm teaching. Had mastitis 2x in 2wks so studies and teaching on hold for a couple of months. So when you are settled back in, drop me a line and we can have a cuppa - I'm down to one kid on thur/fris so I could even meet you somewhere :o) ------------- Mum to two very active boys, born October 2008 and December 2010. Getting excited about becoming a Childbirth Educator, and LOVIN being a birth support to amazing and courageous women! |
Posted By: Emmi_
Date Posted: 08 July 2011 at 12:25am
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Thanks mc short!! catch up and a cuppa sounds great! Oh no, I hope thats the end of the mastitis, I feel for you! -------------
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Posted By: salz
Date Posted: 10 July 2011 at 8:46pm
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Amybaby Im in the same boat my baby wasnt picked up as breech it was just lucky that my BP started rising so had to have growth scans which picked up the breech. She was well and truley wedged legs and feet over her head. So wondering about having a later scan too to double check!!
Another question saw my OB about my options re VBAC etc he said that during labour I could pull the plug and request a c-section at any time (of course there are a lot of things that could effect it actually happening) but my question is that because I have that option in the back of my mind would it not mentally weaken me for handling the labour? Of course as soon as it gets too much I could say get me my c section! Where as if that was never an option you know you have to get on with it and you eventually get there! ------------- http://lilypie.com"> 
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Posted By: Emmi_
Date Posted: 11 July 2011 at 1:29am
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salz if you dont really want antoher section, you could let ytour support people know that you have to ask for a c section on 3 seperate occasions to be taken seriously and its not just you having a weak moment/strong contraction etc? I plan on doing the same with pain relief, I have to ask for it (not have it suggested to me) on 3 seperate occasions (so its not like dorothy in the wizard of oz saying theres no place like home, there needs to be a decent gap between asks to prove Im serious and I know what Im asking for). -------------
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Posted By: Laurz_20
Date Posted: 12 July 2011 at 8:21pm
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Hi girls can I please hijack for a moment and ask a question. I met my midwife for the first time today and im not 100% sure that shes behind my idea for a VBAC. She basically said I have to go into labour on my own and the baby cant be rediculously big like 10lb +.
Also she said because I lost my son they would not take any chances so the moment they thought anything was wrong I would be rushed for a C/S. I feel like she is just telling me I can try for a VBAC just to humour me and has no intention of letting me have my VBAC. DD was large thats why I had to have a CS (she was 9lb 11). I had DS VB before my CS. Has anyone received this type of feedback from their midwife? I really like her but I do wonder if shes right for the type of birth I want. Also when I said I didnt have an epi with DS she looked at me like I was nuts. ------------- http://lilypie.com" rel="nofollow"> 
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Posted By: T_Rex
Date Posted: 12 July 2011 at 8:33pm
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If you are getting the wrong feel for her at this point, I'd be enquiring with other MW's now personally. Sorry to hear she's not being supportive. ------------- http://lilypie.com"> http://lilypie.com">
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Posted By: Emmi_
Date Posted: 13 July 2011 at 2:07am
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I agree with Trex, you have to absoutely trust her opinion when your in labour in that if she says c section then you know that she tried absoutely everything to prevent it from happening.
Personally I would ring a few more MWs and see if you can get other options, you might just find one that you feel totally comfortable with, or if not then stick with her, no harm in trying!! -------------
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Posted By: Emmi_
Date Posted: 13 July 2011 at 2:09am
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Oh and I just came across this link called http://vbacfacts.com/hbac/ - VBAC facts - Why Homebirth? , and Ive found it really good!
The reasons shes saying she had a HBAC are the reasons Im planning one too, so it seemed to fit really well with me! -------------
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Posted By: T_Rex
Date Posted: 15 July 2011 at 2:11pm
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Ohhh Emmi, are you planning a homebirth now?! Awesome!!
Just posting in here to direct you ladies towards an acupressure link I put in the pregnancy forum. It's a really awesome little booklet on how to do acupressure effectively to help in labour. It's free to download and quite well explained. And it's by the lady who trained both of my MWs in acupressure ------------- http://lilypie.com"> http://lilypie.com">
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Posted By: NZ-rules
Date Posted: 15 July 2011 at 7:57pm
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I met my MW on thursday and she was thoroughly supportive of me having a VBAC. Off her own back (without me having to ask for it) she said she'd organize scans at 36 and 38 weeks to check for breech. She also said she's never had an undiagnosed breech in her career... I'm really pleased -------------
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Posted By: Emmi_
Date Posted: 16 July 2011 at 12:07am
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Yeah I think I am Trex, well my offical plan is to stay at home for as long as possible, and if that means birthing then thats totally fine with me. I hated having DH kicked out last time, and I want DD there, and if we are at home then she can nap or play or what ever where in the hospital it would be a little different...
oohhh cool link! thanks! Ive bookmarked it!
Amy thats fantastic!! So your feeling good about your MW choice and your vbac?? awesome! -------------
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Posted By: mcshort
Date Posted: 24 July 2011 at 11:10pm
Really really important for you to feel comfortable with your midwife and feel like you have a common goal. For a start, she hasn't said no so that is great! And this next bit is hard to write in the way that I'd say it so I'll start by saying I'm on your side and have been in your shoes! Do you think maybe you might not be reading her reactions 100%? Going into labour naturally is really important as the risks of rupture etc are worse with induction, and also with induction things happen too-hard-too-fast and they need to make sure that you and bubs will come out of the experience in the best possible way. I'd recommend asking lots and lots and lots of questions - hopefully it's just a minor miscommunication - if she's saying yes already that is a good sign. I hope I've put that in a positive enough way - but she will totally look out for you and bubs. It's her job :o) (I had a top level specialist through high-risk clinic who thought i was nuts and a midwife who was very supportive and I had tears after every spec appt so I can feel your pain - I remember just wanting her to give me even a scrap of support!) ------------- Mum to two very active boys, born October 2008 and December 2010. Getting excited about becoming a Childbirth Educator, and LOVIN being a birth support to amazing and courageous women! |
Posted By: Bky
Date Posted: 12 August 2011 at 6:09pm
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This seems like a good place to ask some VBAC related questions...
I had an EMCS with DD. I don't feel it was unnecessary in any way and due to circumstances there's not much likelihood another CS will be necessary. I'd like to know the rules, as it were, on VBAC in New Zealand. I was talking to a coworker (who had 2 CSs) today and she said all VBACs have to be in hospital because of the uterine rupture risk (Which I know is 0.5%, same as cord prolapse). So is this a general rule or is it more up to the midwife, how you are progressing as you get toward 40 weeks, or what? Because I was rather hoping for a HBAC (homebirth AC). The VBAC question is certainly going to be my first when interviewing midwives (still TTC #2 here). ------------- 7/2010, 10/2012 and 1/2015 |
Posted By: Emmi_
Date Posted: 12 August 2011 at 6:34pm
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Hehehe Bky, the 'has to be in a hospital' is a bit of a myth, OBs will recommend you birth in a hospital, but I believe that unless you have risk factors then home is a perfectly great place to birth (and I will be having a HBAC when baby is ready to come)
You can check out the "Best Practice Guidelines" http://ebooks.nzgg.org.nz/Breech_Presentation_Guideline/ - here I guess its up to you to find a MW who will support your HBAC (and there are plenty out there, definately start with HB MWs first) If you want any more links to support your HBAC I have plenty -------------
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Posted By: Bky
Date Posted: 13 August 2011 at 9:01am
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Great! I figured she was wrong (and certainly with her situations 2 CS were warranted-2x bouts of preeclampsia and failed inductions), but didn't want to say.. ------------- 7/2010, 10/2012 and 1/2015 |