Extended leg breech
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Topic: Extended leg breech
Posted By: Roksana
Subject: Extended leg breech
Date Posted: 09 August 2005 at 10:22am
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Hi Ladies
I had a scan yesterday and just noticed the report. It says that my baby is in an extended leg breech, I think it means that the baby is head up legs down. Shouldn’t it be head down leg up by now? Is this normal? Will the baby turn in the next 12 weeks? Do I sound Stupid? (Wait don’t answer that)... 
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Posted By: mum2paris
Date Posted: 09 August 2005 at 11:00am
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hhhm i would hope that it does, if i remember rightly Ayja didn't turn till she was about 30 weeks or so i think, maybe more, but she was lying across-ways, so maybe it was easier for her to turn. Talk to your midwife about it, i remember mine telling me that they don't usually worry about it till about 34 weeks or so and even then they usually try to turn baby manually from the outside first at about 36 or 37 weeks, till then alot of people i've heard of have tried making sure they sit forward, spend time on all fours, and all sorts of other thing to make baby turn, I can't remember all of them but your midwife should be able to help you, and probably more of the ladies on here will remember more too. ------------- Janine and her 2 cool chicks, Paris & Ayja 
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Posted By: newmum
Date Posted: 09 August 2005 at 11:26am
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I think there is still heaps of time for the baby to turn! ------------- http://lilypie.com"> 
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Posted By: nuttymama
Date Posted: 09 August 2005 at 12:02pm
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Abby was breech at 30 weeks and we had scans right up until a couple of days before she was born. They don't usually see it as a problem until 34-36 weeks, but even then we were told if there's room there is still a good chance of baby turning on its own. In our case she didn't and was born by C-section. But you never know they may be able to turn bub around, or it may decide to move on it's own. Sending baby turning vibs your way. ------------- Abigail 06/01/2005 Jayden 21/11/2001 Micheal 03/04/1997 |
Posted By: Roksana
Date Posted: 09 August 2005 at 12:09pm
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Thanks...I really dont want a c section....arrgggg
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Posted By: nuttymama
Date Posted: 09 August 2005 at 12:22pm
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My best advice for you is to really arm yourself with informaiton. We were told by one specialist that she couldn't be turned and took his word as gospel, that was four weeks before she was due. however in hindsight I have heard of so many babies that have been manually turned as late as 39 weeks, and wish we had got a second opinion or asked then to try anyway. Sometimes it doesn't pay to go private. ------------- Abigail 06/01/2005 Jayden 21/11/2001 Micheal 03/04/1997 |
Posted By: lou
Date Posted: 09 August 2005 at 1:43pm
I wouldn't worry about it at your stage. Babies still move round lots. Sophie didn't turn to head down till about 36/37 weeks ------------- Mother to two beautiful children - Sophie age 6 and Ephraim age 4 |
Posted By: Xander&Harmony
Date Posted: 09 August 2005 at 1:44pm
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yea theres stil heaps of time for bubs to turn but as janine said try all those turning positions ------------- BECS http://www.sparklee.com"> 
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Posted By: Maya
Date Posted: 09 August 2005 at 2:10pm
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Yep, I agree, plenty of time to turn! They usually say that if a baby hasn't turned by 36 weeks then it will usually need help as it runs out of room to move, although my Mum says I was breech and turned only a few days before I was born.
Getting down on all fours does help tho, as it gives baby the maximum possible room to move. Maya was posterior, and I used to kneel on the ground and lean over a beanbag, this is supposed to help with breech babies too. -------------  Maya Grace (28/02/03)
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Posted By: Roksana
Date Posted: 09 August 2005 at 2:18pm
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Thanks guys...I think I will try those now and see if the baby turns...I mean no harm in trying early right?
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Posted By: aimeejoy
Date Posted: 09 August 2005 at 3:47pm
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Ditto what everyone else says - or so I've been told. GP did an examination yesterday and shes pretty certain baby is already head down. She said it is relatively early for this to happen, but everyone is diferent. I am so sure I felt the baby turn on Saturday night - it was squirming around for ages and nothing would settle it. It felt very different to the other movements I had felt. It must have been running out of room lying transverse! ------------- Aimee Hannah 22/10/05 Greer 11/02/08 |
Posted By: aimeejoy
Date Posted: 09 August 2005 at 3:50pm
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Have u started antenatal classes Roksana? We have our first one tonight - am a little nervous as I will be flying solo, hubby is away for work I do know some of the others that are going tho so should be ok.
We havent got that long to go now - exciting but very scary thought! ------------- Aimee Hannah 22/10/05 Greer 11/02/08 |
Posted By: Roksana
Date Posted: 09 August 2005 at 3:53pm
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Lucky you.....I am hoping that she turns soon...our baby's are only 10 days apart, lets see if my bub turns soon....here's hoping! ------------- http://lilypie.com">
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Posted By: Roksana
Date Posted: 09 August 2005 at 3:57pm
Nop I havent yet...I actually wanted to ask my m/wife as to when we should start these classes? No one mentioned any thing to me...
So I guess at I should start having classes next week huh? since I will be 29 weeks. Where can I find these classes? Can you do them after hours? ------------- http://lilypie.com">
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Posted By: jack_&_charli
Date Posted: 09 August 2005 at 4:56pm
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after 2 different midwifes told me jack was head down, at my 37wk check with my regular midwife she suspected he was lying breech. she told me not to panic as there was still time for him to turn but booked me to have a scan to check if she was right. sure enough, at 38wks he was breech. they tried to turn him manually but it didn't work so i had an elective c-section at 39wks.
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Posted By: aimeejoy
Date Posted: 09 August 2005 at 8:26pm
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I am doing classes at the community hospital where I will probably deliver. U are in Aucklnad arent u Roksana? I guess it depends where u r planning on having the baby, but I know national womens does classes. I assume there would be heaps to choose from up there. There was info in my pregnancy pack thing I got when I first saw my GP. Your m/w should be able to recommend?? ------------- Aimee Hannah 22/10/05 Greer 11/02/08 |
Posted By: mum2paris
Date Posted: 09 August 2005 at 9:27pm
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yep try ringing your hospital and they will have classes they can book you into. now is about the right time to start them as most usually run about 8 weeks. good thing about them is they are free. most parent's centres etc run them too but you have to pay for them, although most of the time they run shorter courses, sometimes weekends. most classes usually run at night so both you and hubby can go together. ------------- Janine and her 2 cool chicks, Paris & Ayja
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Posted By: lizzle
Date Posted: 10 August 2005 at 12:55am
| Hey janine. are there antentala classes in Palmy. I've never been to one, and figured me and mum might go, then relay info to lewis. |
Posted By: mumstheword
Date Posted: 10 August 2005 at 10:29am
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yip palmy hospital does antenatal classes, I did them with caleb, they are in rteh evening, well i only managed 2 before i had caleb but they were good, caleb was breech bum first feet by his ears, but iwas only 26weeks and when it was time to have him i had a c section anyway ive had heaps of scans and baby has been head down in 2 but is no lying down i suppose back down, so they must alaways be on the move??? ------------- http://lilypie.com">  http://lilypie.com">
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Posted By: newmum
Date Posted: 10 August 2005 at 11:49am
We did antenatal classes through a high school evening course, might be something like that in your area?? They taught us methods for turning babies there come to think of it. Our course was 6 weeks long and I wouldn't leave it Roksana as some of the mums that were pretty far along missed the last couple of weeks due to their babies coming early  LOL, was definitley worth it to go.------------- http://lilypie.com">
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Posted By: Roksana
Date Posted: 10 August 2005 at 12:01pm
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Yah I am going to start looking into it this week. Don’t wanna leave it too long.
I was on my all fours last night for about half an hour, while hubby was massaging my belly and saying " I think you should turn now baby"....LOL It was funny and embarrassing at the same time....
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Posted By: newmum
Date Posted: 10 August 2005 at 12:04pm
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it gets more embarrasing, LOL, apparently when you are down on all fours you should crawl around a bit, that works we were told! ------------- http://lilypie.com">
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Posted By: Roksana
Date Posted: 10 August 2005 at 12:10pm
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Oh GOD....wont that be fun. I think I might have to leave the crawling till we move to our new house...just imagine me crawling on all fours in front of my MIL and BIL?.....he he ha ha I think not! ------------- http://lilypie.com">
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Posted By: newmum
Date Posted: 10 August 2005 at 12:15pm
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LOLOL Maybe your MIL will think you have gone crazy and will be HAPPY that you are moving out, LOL ------------- http://lilypie.com">
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Posted By: Roksana
Date Posted: 10 August 2005 at 12:25pm
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LOL.....Good idea Ana!!!
Never thought of that.....LOL! ------------- http://lilypie.com">
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Posted By: mum2paris
Date Posted: 10 August 2005 at 9:48pm
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try sitting forward. i used to sit with my bottom as far back on the couch as i could and lean right over, resting elbows on my knees as if i was leaning to look at something on the floor, and if you are reading, stick the book on the floor between your legs and read it that way. pretty soon you get used to doing it and it doesn't look quite as weird as crawling around on all fours. lol. ------------- Janine and her 2 cool chicks, Paris & Ayja
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Posted By: Roksana
Date Posted: 11 August 2005 at 11:26am
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Janine...I tried sitting forward thing at work....and as soon as I do that I start being abused by my precious little bub....All I get is kicking/punching...till I can’t take it anymore and sit up straight!
I think I am going to have a stubborn baby...well she is going to be a Scorpio!!...Ahh some thing to look forward to.
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Posted By: mum2paris
Date Posted: 11 August 2005 at 11:58am
lol well, maybe doing that put her in a position she doesn't like and she'll have to turn ------------- Janine and her 2 cool chicks, Paris & Ayja
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Posted By: Roksana
Date Posted: 11 August 2005 at 12:31pm
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Yah I guess....Here goes!!
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Posted By: bonjovi6
Date Posted: 11 August 2005 at 3:59pm
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Pelvic tilts help to turn bubs around. My last midwife had a special chair thingy she loaned me to help turn my last one, it worked. If you can get hold of a birthing ball or one of those exercise balls, sit on it, and rock only your hips backwards and forwards should help to turn bubs.
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Posted By: Roksana
Date Posted: 29 August 2005 at 9:41am
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Ok....Had an appt on thursday, docs had a quick look and the baby is still breech. The head is just under my left ribs...legs towards lower right tummy.....I sure hope she moves soon. ------------- http://lilypie.com">
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Posted By: aimeejoy
Date Posted: 29 August 2005 at 9:43am
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Good luck - I have a Drs appt this morning so I hope it is still down. ------------- Aimee Hannah 22/10/05 Greer 11/02/08 |
Posted By: Roksana
Date Posted: 29 August 2005 at 9:51am
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Good luck Aimee...Docs told me that, the baby is still small enough to turn several times so dont worry too much....But I am worried that it will stay breech and be to big to turn around!!!! ------------- http://lilypie.com">
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Posted By: jack_&_charli
Date Posted: 29 August 2005 at 11:19am
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try not to worry too much roksana, on the up side of things, at least they know bubs is breech so can keep an eye on her movements.
jack was a breech baby and he's just turned one last thursday, he's doing great now. ------------- http://www.alternatickers.com">
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Posted By: Roksana
Date Posted: 29 August 2005 at 11:24am
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Thanks Vanessa........
It's funny because I feel all the punches/kicks on the top of my tummy (so it must be punches)......I thought for a while that the baby turned!!! 
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Posted By: newmum
Date Posted: 29 August 2005 at 12:34pm
That's right Roksana, and a lot can happen in 9 weeks!  ------------- http://lilypie.com">
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Posted By: nuttymama
Date Posted: 29 August 2005 at 2:20pm
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good luck roksana, I know what the waiting game is like, so fingers crossed for you. ------------- Abigail 06/01/2005 Jayden 21/11/2001 Micheal 03/04/1997 |
Posted By: Roksana
Date Posted: 29 August 2005 at 4:48pm
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Aimee how did your appt go? ------------- http://lilypie.com">
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Posted By: aimeejoy
Date Posted: 30 August 2005 at 8:30am
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All fine - bubs is still definitely head down. Its heartbeat is really strong as well - Doc said very strong and healthy! No other probs ------------- Aimee Hannah 22/10/05 Greer 11/02/08 |
Posted By: Roksana
Date Posted: 30 August 2005 at 8:49am
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That is good to hear Aimee.....I am glad all is well. I just hope my naughty baby turns soon.
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Posted By: nadine05
Date Posted: 30 August 2005 at 1:27pm
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roksana - there is still time for baby to turn (up to about 34weeks) Another effective way to turn babies is accupunture. This is well worth a try should your little one decide to stay bum down! Also Birthcare (in Parnel) run antenatal classes that are free. But youd be lucky to get in now - maybe its worth a ring? In fact - i had accupunture from 20 odd weeks this last pregnancy and i never had such a good pregnancy - i didnt even feel pregnant!! even in the last month!! Its a good general thing for mum and babes general wellbeing and body tune up!! Can help you prepare for labour too! good luck!
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Posted By: Roksana
Date Posted: 30 August 2005 at 1:39pm
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Nadine, my hubby really likes accupunture...he plays alot of sports and every time he gets hurt he goes for it...I dont like needles but have had accupunture before. Would most accupunturist know how to do that? or would I need to go to a specific one?
I am attending Antenatal classes but they are yet to tell us what to do to turn baby.....give me more info on the whole accupunture thing.....I would be interested! ------------- http://lilypie.com">
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Posted By: lizzle
Date Posted: 30 August 2005 at 2:02pm
| If it helps Roksana. jake was pressenting perfectly up until about the day before he was born when he decided to turn and face the other way, and present me with the LARGEST PART OF HIS HEAD!!!!!! lovely child. So babies can turn..hope yours does!! good luck. |
Posted By: nadine05
Date Posted: 30 August 2005 at 2:53pm
| roksana - any good accupunturist should know about pregancy and turning breeches etc - maybe the one your hubby goes to? Its really worth it - although it can get expensive to go regularly. Ring and talk to a couple. position wise to turn babes is head down bum up. That is on your hands and knees, put your head down so it is lower than your bum (lean on yr elbows)it is more comfortable to do this on your bed or somewhere soft!! With first babies they dont normally worry about positions til about 34wks - with 1st babies your muscles are that much tighter that babes are less likely to turn after 34wks than in woman like me who have no muscle tone!!! hope this helps! |
Posted By: Roksana
Date Posted: 30 August 2005 at 3:00pm
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Thanks Nadine...I will try the hand and knees thing for the next three weeks if it does not work I might go for the accupunture option. If the guy who does hubby's accupunture knows how to do this then it will be good, as he is a mate and does not charge us any thing..... ------------- http://lilypie.com">
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Posted By: newmum
Date Posted: 30 August 2005 at 3:16pm
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Posted By: Roksana
Date Posted: 30 August 2005 at 3:38pm
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Posted By: Roksana
Date Posted: 05 September 2005 at 10:19am
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Hey Guys
Had another scan this morning..and the baby is head down bum up!!! YAY!!!
Good Baby!!!!
The scan guy was very happy with the baby...Baby is 1.89KG....and movements were really good!!!! I feel happy! ------------- http://lilypie.com">
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Posted By: newmum
Date Posted: 05 September 2005 at 10:39am
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Yay!!! That's great Roksana! ------------- http://lilypie.com">
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Posted By: aimeejoy
Date Posted: 05 September 2005 at 10:48am
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Yay - bet thats a relief for you! Glad everything is going well Roksana ------------- Aimee Hannah 22/10/05 Greer 11/02/08 |
Posted By: Roksana
Date Posted: 05 September 2005 at 10:54am
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I know...it is a relief....I was so worried the last couple of weeks...But I am glad all is well now!
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Posted By: aimeejoy
Date Posted: 05 September 2005 at 10:59am
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I know the feeling. Its all up under my ribs and makes it hard to breath! ------------- Aimee Hannah 22/10/05 Greer 11/02/08 |
Posted By: Roksana
Date Posted: 05 September 2005 at 11:02am
yap thats the one......painful and uncomfortable! ------------- http://lilypie.com">
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Posted By: Maya
Date Posted: 05 September 2005 at 4:40pm
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Yay that's great Roksana! And a good size too! ------------- Maya Grace (28/02/03)
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Posted By: jack_&_charli
Date Posted: 06 September 2005 at 2:04pm
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Yay Roksana!!! That's great, what a good baby ------------- http://www.alternatickers.com">
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Posted By: newmum
Date Posted: 06 September 2005 at 2:38pm
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Roksana - way to go winning the photo competition!!!! ------------- http://lilypie.com">
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Posted By: lizzle
Date Posted: 07 September 2005 at 1:00am
| what photo comp? |
Posted By: jack_&_charli
Date Posted: 07 September 2005 at 8:44am
the fathers day competition. i had full intentions of entering but never did 
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Posted By: aimeejoy
Date Posted: 07 September 2005 at 8:47am
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Is the photo on the website? I tried looking but couldnt find it ------------- Aimee Hannah 22/10/05 Greer 11/02/08 |
Posted By: Roksana
Date Posted: 07 September 2005 at 9:01am
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Thanks Ana...where did you see that?
Yah I gave my dad's name and why he should win...and I won. It is a $1500.00 package with Patrick Bellett photography, for family portrait. I told dad and he was very excited. He said we will wait till the baby is born and then our family would be complete...we will go and get a great portrait done! I guess we have to wait till November!!! ------------- http://lilypie.com">
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Posted By: aimeejoy
Date Posted: 07 September 2005 at 9:06am
Oops I thought you sent in a photo not won a photo  ------------- Aimee Hannah 22/10/05 Greer 11/02/08 |
Posted By: Roksana
Date Posted: 07 September 2005 at 9:11am
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thats okay Aimee...I still cant see the info on the site......? ------------- http://lilypie.com">
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Posted By: newmum
Date Posted: 07 September 2005 at 10:01am
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It was in the monthly email newsletter thing, I actually read it this time!! ------------- http://lilypie.com">
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Posted By: Roksana
Date Posted: 07 September 2005 at 10:06am
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Yah I just noticed that too.....I forwarded that to my Dad...
I entered two more comps for fathers day and won all of them....Dad thinks I should buy lotto! He he ha ha Funny thing is I never win any thing! Even as a child I wouldnt even win lollies....funny that! ------------- http://lilypie.com">
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Posted By: aimeejoy
Date Posted: 07 September 2005 at 1:17pm
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U should go and buy a lotto by the sounds of that! ------------- Aimee Hannah 22/10/05 Greer 11/02/08 |
Posted By: jack_&_charli
Date Posted: 07 September 2005 at 1:26pm
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yeah, that will be sure to end your winning streak! ------------- http://www.alternatickers.com">
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Posted By: Roksana
Date Posted: 07 September 2005 at 1:45pm
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I wish!!!!
I always say...I dont want a million....even $50,000 would be good...I am not greedy.....but...nop never even win $20....LOL But I will buy lotto this weekend! ------------- http://lilypie.com">
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Posted By: newmum
Date Posted: 07 September 2005 at 2:07pm
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Don't bother, I am going to win the 14.5 million powerball anyway... ------------- http://lilypie.com">
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Posted By: Roksana
Date Posted: 07 September 2005 at 4:19pm
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Lol....I would be happy for you too...
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Posted By: mumstheword
Date Posted: 07 September 2005 at 5:12pm
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sorry you wont be able to win powerball because ive already decidi id like to win this week..I really just wanted to win the ford last week, but nope missed that so ild be happy for powerball this week lol ------------- http://lilypie.com"> http://lilypie.com">
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Posted By: AlyAyde
Date Posted: 07 September 2005 at 8:28pm
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okay well if you guys win. I hope you shout us all a trip so we can get all the ohbaby forum members together. I reckon fiji or rarotonga would be a good place to meet up ------------- Jayde 25/12/04 Alyssa 08/04/03 http://Alyayde.bebo.com |
Posted By: Xander&Harmony
Date Posted: 08 September 2005 at 7:41am
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yeah go Maria!!!!!! but we leave the kids with thier daddys tho n have a girls holiday aye!!!! ------------- BECS http://www.sparklee.com">
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Posted By: Roksana
Date Posted: 08 September 2005 at 9:10am
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Sounds good to me!!!
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Posted By: AlyAyde
Date Posted: 08 September 2005 at 9:41am
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woo hoo, hope you win then ------------- Jayde 25/12/04 Alyssa 08/04/03 http://Alyayde.bebo.com |
Posted By: aimeejoy
Date Posted: 08 September 2005 at 1:53pm
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Me too!! We'll hold you to that Roksana! ------------- Aimee Hannah 22/10/05 Greer 11/02/08 |
Posted By: Roksana
Date Posted: 08 September 2005 at 3:36pm
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No probs...if I won 14.5 million I wont think twice.....LOL! ------------- http://lilypie.com">
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Posted By: aimeejoy
Date Posted: 14 September 2005 at 3:51pm
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So did u win Roksana!? ------------- Aimee Hannah 22/10/05 Greer 11/02/08 |
Posted By: mum2paris
Date Posted: 14 September 2005 at 4:08pm
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yeah, were you they lucky one that got the 15 mil? ------------- Janine and her 2 cool chicks, Paris & Ayja
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Posted By: Roksana
Date Posted: 14 September 2005 at 4:18pm
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Nop.....did not buy a ticket....LOL
But some guy in Mt Roskill won it....and just claimed it! he won the whole 15m! can you imagine that kind of cash?????? ------------- http://lilypie.com">
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Posted By: lizzle
Date Posted: 14 September 2005 at 10:50pm
| I would sooo strip and roll in it. and sing "money money money" songs. then wash. money is dirty. |
Posted By: aimeejoy
Date Posted: 15 September 2005 at 8:09am
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lol! Hey your new tickers are soooo cute! ------------- Aimee Hannah 22/10/05 Greer 11/02/08 |
Posted By: Roksana
Date Posted: 15 September 2005 at 9:18am
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Liz...you crack me up....I would do the same.....he he ha ha
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Posted By: mum2paris
Date Posted: 15 September 2005 at 9:26pm
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ooooh i know, and the interest... something like $25,0000 in a week, geez that's our whole year's income... in A WEEK!!! it would set us up as well as our families for life. the kids wouldn't be spoilt... but it would be nice not to have to go into shops to buy them stuff and look at the price tags before deciding if i like it or not. ------------- Janine and her 2 cool chicks, Paris & Ayja
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Posted By: lizzle
Date Posted: 15 September 2005 at 10:51pm
| I'm sure being that rich that quick would be bad...in some way.....i can't think how right now...... |