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    Posted: 13 October 2008 at 5:43pm
Sorry long story..I been suspect my DS2 may have problem with soy for a long time and his paed specialist doesn't believe it and refusing to prescribe Neocate because he is allergic to milk but still breastfeeding.
However two weeks ago on my requested, I asked for allergy test on soy and show up negative. So I gave in and gave DS2 soy milk for breakfast cereal as well as start to introduce afternoon drink while still breastfeeding at night and morning. Since then he has been very poor sleeper eczema flare up very bad soon after had soy milk in the morning and afternoon and his poo is light mustard colour in paste-type and it is very stinky smell. some nights I end up need to give him phenergan to get him to stop scratching legs as well as get him to sleep!!. As I mentioned in previous post that environmental allergens have been rule out, I was baffled till today, the pin drop today that I realise it maybe soy milk causing the problem. I have contacted his specialist to get him onto neocate or similar for 2 weeks to see if there any change without soy but just in case i end up with another "no" from her......what I can do? what is other options I can do? what other milk I can give him? can I able to buy neocate to prove her that DS2 got problem with soy? etc
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Yes you can buy neocate but it is really expensive, I think $85 a tin and the tins are half the size of standard formula tins.
The other thing you could try is giving rice milk instead of soy, I'm not sure how old your DS is but our paed wanted Spencer to be on neocate until at least 18 months (he's not breastfed though) because the soy and rice milks aren't great subsitutes for milk for infants/toddlers.

Could you see a different paed?

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Hi Soph,

I am due to get another script of Neocate within the next few weeks. I can give you a couple of tins if you want to try it. I will e-mail you when I get it.



Did you ever hear back from the hospital??

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Originally posted by 2girlsandaboy 2girlsandaboy wrote:

Hi Soph,

I am due to get another script of Neocate within the next few weeks. I can give you a couple of tins if you want to try it. I will e-mail you when I get it.



Did you ever hear back from the hospital??


Yes, we are see dietician called michelle? on this friday. Will she able to prescribe me neocate instead of pead dr? I hope so....

For OP's question, my DS2 is 13months old, so look like rice milk is out of question.
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No sorry, a dietitian can't write the script, but depending on how the hospital works they may be able to advise the Paed that Neocate be prescribed, and it's the Doc who needs to apply to the MOH for a special authority number to allow you to buy Neocate at the subsidised price. And that can take time. They should be able to get it done in a day or 2 if the Doc marks it as 'urgent', but ours was and it still took weeks because someone lost the paperwork on their desk!!

I've asked a couple of chemists if we could buy any at the full price without a script (desperate situation where Ella suddenly self-weaned from breastmilk while we were on holiday, and I'd only bought enough Neocate to mix with her solids!), and they both said no, that you need a script to even order it in.
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We were licky here that one local chemist had several kids on it, and always had tins at the chemist that they would give us if the script ran out etc, then we just took the new one in when we got it. This was Pepti Jr tho, not Neocate- but still on special authority.

Hopefully u have some luck with the dietician.
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Im assuming that Michelle works in the same area as the dietician that we see. She organised the doc to do the script as well as the special authority.
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Sorry had very bad migraine after my last post That how much interrupted nights taken tolls on me dealing with him in last two week as well as last night. Hope pead dr is supportive today when she is due to reply back to my email
Tania, I just reread his note it is Melaine, not michelle (blame migraine )

Thanks mamas for all of your helps, I know now got ideas, may have long battle ahead...(I will remember your offer Tania if fail )
Also I have took photos of his hands and legs this morning while it is at "all calm before storm" he just had brekfast of porridge with soy milk and I can see reddish start to showing but not too bothering him yet....it was afternoon drink will put him over the edge. I will take photo this afternoon.
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It was bad mistake to give him soy milk for breaskfast this morning...I did end up taking him to dr because he was such in state, very distressed, won't stop scratching his legs and hands and eczema was in angry red state. I rang nurse for an advice and was told to bring him in. Dr saw his eczema and listen to me about soy and pead dr then ask lots of questions about history etc. He had prescribe stronger steriod cream as DS need it to bring it under control temporary and Dr have wrote letter to pead dr urgently to sort DS's hypoallergenic milk out asap...I feel so afterward that I broke down at dr!
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Update, after few calls between GP and pead dr as well as few emails from me including photos of before and after. Dr surgery just contacted me that milk will be sort out tomorrow via dietician's. I can't relax till I will get script for milk on my hand, but I wondering what milk will be? neocate?
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That's great news. If its not neocate it might be pepti junior, however neocate make a toddler formula so it might be that one that they give you.

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Hey Soph,

How exciting, you finally seem to be getting somewhere!! I'm not sure what the script will be for, they tried us on Pepti Junior before the Neocate but he reacted to that so the switched him onto Neocate.
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Originally posted by Andie Andie wrote:

No sorry, a dietitian can't write the script, but depending on how the hospital works they may be able to advise the Paed that Neocate be prescribed, and it's the Doc who needs to apply to the MOH for a special authority number to allow you to buy Neocate at the subsidised price. And that can take time. They should be able to get it done in a day or 2 if the Doc marks it as 'urgent', but ours was and it still took weeks because someone lost the paperwork on their desk!!

I've asked a couple of chemists if we could buy any at the full price without a script (desperate situation where Ella suddenly self-weaned from breastmilk while we were on holiday, and I'd only bought enough Neocate to mix with her solids!), and they both said no, that you need a script to even order it in.


yeah and we couldn't even find a chemist that stocked it or would get it in either:(


they generally(but not always) try people on pepti junior first... ?hope it's getting sorted for you
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Just email back from pead dr, she gave to my DS' dietician a script to be collect for Pepti junior (AAARRRGGGGHHHHH)
I already told her that he reacted to Pepti junior but she is off tomorrow so can't get her to change milk.
Do dietician have authority to change the milk?
Where this emoticons that do head-banging onto wall?? I feel like this.
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Oh Soph - poor you - sounds like you are having a nightmare!!
I wouldnt think that dieticians have the authority to change milk but where did you see the pead dr?? Maybe another doctor working in the same place can help you get a new script tomorrow.
I have not ordered my Neocate yet but even if I order it tomorrow it wont be delivered till Monday - which does not help you over the weekend - Sorry
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Originally posted by 2girlsandaboy 2girlsandaboy wrote:

Oh Soph - poor you - sounds like you are having a nightmare!!
I wouldnt think that dieticians have the authority to change milk but where did you see the pead dr?? Maybe another doctor working in the same place can help you get a new script tomorrow.
I have not ordered my Neocate yet but even if I order it tomorrow it wont be delivered till Monday - which does not help you over the weekend - Sorry


Same hospital where a dietician is good ideas, I will try ask melanie to ask other pead dr for me, fingers and toes crosses...
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they can do it urgently Maya said over 24 hours if necessary ..sorry didnt read anywhere in your post that he had reaction to Pepti? why would they try him on it if he is? the script number is the same so the paed can just change it and let biolab know..
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Saw dietician and gave me a tin of neocate He will try a cup of neocate tonight. My children is already got well-balanced diet but eat lots than usual amount for their ages, so I got it right then
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Yeah Soph hopefully that works for you. We were at the hospital today - they told me to try DS on Soy - Bad Idea!! We have a very sick, very red little boy. Back onto Neocate
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ugh 2girls and a boy..why do the docs not know what they are talking about ..annoys me:( i think it was 25% of dairy allergy allergic to soy..it's one of the 6 food groups we have to avoid atm!!:(
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