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mum2paris 
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Posted: 01 May 2008 at 7:44pm |
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At the risk of starting a bit of interesting conversation. what are your opinions on this?
I for one, will be getting my girls vaccinated.
There are some that say it will encourage girls to have sex. why? how? it doesn't protect against pregnancy, it doesn't protect against all the other ickies out there, and it won't protect their feelings of going into something as big as sex at a young age. If they're going to do it at a young age, it won't be influenced by the vaccine... I just want to know that well, if by some chance my girls decide that they'll do it before they really should, that the effects of their not-great decisions won't come back to bite them in later life in the form of cancer that could have been prevented.
I think it's worthwhile. I see where people are coming from not wanting to think of our girls actually having sex, let alone so young, and that abstinence should be taught more. But no matter what, to say that it won't and that it doesn't happen, is wrong and naive. I think it's a great step in taking some action to help prevent something like cervical cancer... don't we all wish we could probably go back to our teenage years and take back things.. i don't want my girls thinking back in years to come going "wow, i wish i hadn't done that " just because they have cancer that could have been prevented. There are so many other nasties out there, the more we can get rid of or prevent, the better.
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my2angels
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Posted: 01 May 2008 at 7:47pm |
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I completely agree with everything you said. I looked into it a wee while ago when my friend moved to aussie cos they do it over there but when i asked my doctors here they didnt really know much.
I will be getting Addison vacinated.
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Posted: 01 May 2008 at 7:51pm |
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If I had a girl then I would especially given the issues that I've had with my cervix/smears/
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Posted: 01 May 2008 at 8:12pm |
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I don't see the big link between the vaccine and an increase in sexual behaviour - talking out of a hole in their arses if you ask me (and you did!).
If I had girls - hell yes - well assuming I looked up the risk of the immunisation etc - but if I chose not to, it wouldn't be because I worried about them sleeping around, it would be because I wasn't happy with the clinical side.
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Posted: 01 May 2008 at 8:35pm |
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Yep totally agree. I dont see how it would encourage sex. I think it should be seen as a health thing, not about sex.
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Posted: 01 May 2008 at 8:55pm |
If I had girls they would so be getting it. With all my issues I have had I wouldn't want to take the risk.
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Posted: 01 May 2008 at 8:57pm |
how does it differ from vaccinating against rubella (so they dont get that when they are pregnant)? We were vaccinated at 11 and I dont remember any great urges to go out and have sex just because I was vaccinated against something.
Did that make sense? Re -reading it didnt to me..Oh well...some poor person might be on my wavelength 
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Posted: 01 May 2008 at 10:52pm |
nope, makes sense perfectly. That's exactly what i meant.
Initially they discussed giving it at age 9 to be able to capture all young girls before they were sexually active, however at age 11 the immune response is far better, and everyone thought age 9 was too young. Sadly if you think about it, well, (at the risk of sounding like an old biddy here) IN MY DAY (LOL) it was a big thing at intermediate if you held hands, or kissed a guy on the cheek. Now, it seems it's almost mandatory that you'll have kissed someone - properly, by the end of primary school or intermediate at least, that you'll have a boyfriend/girlfriend by standard 4, and that around 13 you'll be getting into a few more risky things than that. Saly, things are happening earlier. And while certainly don't want to think about it, its the truth. The scariest thing is, in some areas, the 11yr old age for vaccine, will still be too late. 
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Posted: 01 May 2008 at 11:00pm |
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Yep I totally agree too. Prevention is better than cure!
I was lucky enough to be offered it here in Aus for free under the health system here when it was released. You have 3 shots over a 6 month period! First 2 are quite painful (think tetnis (sp?) kinda pain) and the pain can last a good month but the last one is not soo bad.
If we have girls we'll be getting them done.
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Posted: 02 May 2008 at 1:55am |
Hmmmm when I was 11 I never thought 'I won't have sex now because I might get the HPV virus and that would lead to cervical cancer'  Maybe it was just me  Blimmin ridiculous.
I like the idea that I have 7 years to decide- unless there are some strong reasons not to get it by then, then both my girls will be having it.
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Posted: 02 May 2008 at 9:44am |
Janine, in MY DAY, I remember dumping a boy by a (return) note passed around the whole class after he sent me one saying that if I didnt meet him behind the bike sheds for a PASH I would be dumped.....too late.. I dumped him first! Pashing boys!!!! YUK YUK YUK was what I thought at 11. 
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Posted: 02 May 2008 at 11:16am |
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In my "day" (which was only 7-8 years ago) Barely anyone was out "kissing boys" at intermediate... and certainly no more! but then I've heard it's worse in bigger cities, I grew up in Hastings then Gisborne.
On another note I know 2 guys who lost their virginity very very young, one at 7 by his own choice (he is really creepy and though I wouldn't say nympho, I wouldn't be surprised) and another at 8 by "accident" aka they didn't really know what they were doing. The 2nd guy then ended up being in a sexual relationship with 2 13 year old girls at 11 (at the same time, they were best friends) who did him some serious psychiatric damage... including one telling him the other had died when she moved away.
It reminds me that not all kids are nice and innocent...
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Posted: 02 May 2008 at 11:38am |
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I was having a conversation with my mother about this subject the other day. I asked her that if this jab was around when us girls were younger (I'm the eldest of 3 girls), would she have arranged for us to get it. Without a moment of hesitation she said absolutely. Likewise if B been a girl, or IF we have a number 2 who turns out to be a girl, then yup, there would be a trip to the drs
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Posted: 02 May 2008 at 9:39pm |
A bit OT but I can't believe the age that kids are starting these days!
I do wish however that they had of introduced this vaccine many years ago ...it may have saved me (I will not elaborate as you get the idea ...I've learnt my lesson long and hard & have had to suffer the consequences)
I guess I'm kind of expecting cervical cancer to pop up somewhere down the track, I've already had several smears come back bad and been referred for a few colposcopys before the age of 20...seems to be going back and forth (cells keep changing stages). Every 6 months I require a follow up smear but haven't had a clear one in over 2 years. It's not nice and I wouldn't wish it upon anyone.
And TMI but pregnancy was horrible, the HPV really played havoc & I was ridden with them ...spent most of my time at Greenlane getting treatment. But other than during my pregnancy it lies dormant for most part.
Can't believe I'm admitting this on a public forum, but I have nothing to be ashamed of. It's something I have to live with.
I do urge mothers to HIGHLY consider getting the vaccine for their daughters though.
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Posted: 02 May 2008 at 10:04pm |
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No question in this house, my girls WILL be vaccinated. My mum had cervical cancer and had a full hysterectomy at 36.
For those who are interested, I've just posted a press release from The Cancer Society about the HPV vaccination.
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Posted: 02 May 2008 at 10:52pm |
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oooh thanks Emma, I noticed they had more about it on the news tomight.
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Posted: 03 May 2008 at 9:26am |
When it first was available in New Zealand I had already decided that I was prepared to pay for it. I still have to pay for Lesieli.
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Posted: 03 May 2008 at 10:24am |
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Its a vaccine that helps prevent girls getting a nasty horrible form of cancer, I can't see what the debate is over.
I mean if the choice is between having sex and getting cancer I know what I'd choose.
I can't understand people not wanting to protect their daughters from cancer, it seems a no brainer to me.
Agree with everything you've said Janine.
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Posted: 03 May 2008 at 10:25am |
Steph - nothing to be ashamed off - RIDICULOUSLY common and TBH I'm just glad when people realise they have it... there are too many people that don't realise and continue on their merry way potentially increasing the numbers of those infected.
And unfortunately HPV doesn't always result in something that you can tell you have. So I may be one of the ones who has a silent strain and have done my fair share of infecting
Sorry - sexual health is one of my passions. Wish more people paid attention to theirs! (Not anyone here People generally)
I think the vaccine is important - ESPECIALLY because it's one of the sexually transmitted viruses that you condoms aren't so successful at protecting against.
I don't think it will result in more girls having sex. That is ridiculous.
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Posted: 03 May 2008 at 10:51am |
I personally would like to think that I'd bring my daughters up with more self respect than to be as shamelessly promiscuous as their mother was in her younger days . I think the way they feel about themselves, and the values that I impart to them as they grow up, will have far more impact on their decisions than whether or not they have a vaccine,
IMO the vaccine should be marketed for what it is - a preventative for cervical cancer - and not as a license to have sex. I mean, if you tell a 12-year old that now they've been vaccinated they won't get an STD, of course there's going to be temptation. But if you frame it as a vaccine against cervical cancer and don't even mention the sex angle they'll be oblivious.
TBH I think the whole idea that it will encourage promiscuity is just scaremongering from opponents of the vaccine. I mean, we were taught at school that you should use condoms to prevent pregnancy and STD's. Can I honestly say I paid that much attention as a 15, 16, 17-year old? Kids will make up their own minds, and if they are going to be promiscuous they will be. I think it's incredibly shortsighted to blame the vaccine.
And don't even get me started on people who oppose sex-ed in schools... come on people, welcome to the 00's!
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